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BP Hunter
July 6, 2009, 07:37 PM
I am a new concealed carry citizen, 3 months into it and am carrying regularly. I may not be at the comfort level of many of you who have carried for years. I try my best to carry nearly completely concealed hoping to avoid people shouting "He's got a GUN!"

The other day at Barnes and Noble. I was reading a gun magazine. This fellow came next to me and pulled out a gun magazine also. His shirt was untucked and I was quite sure that bulge from his right hip was a gun. I was tempted to ask if he was carrying then follow up saying that I was also carrying.

How many of you would ask him if he was carrying? As a gun enthusiast, I feel the need to share it with somebody who may also have the same love for the sport. But I fear I may get the get an unfriendly response because he got "busted".

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jnyork
July 6, 2009, 07:40 PM
Probably not a good idea to comment at all, just let it go. It's called "concealed carry" for a reason.

ArmedBear
July 6, 2009, 07:49 PM
I would NEVER ask a stranger about what he's hiding in his pants. Not a gun, not herpes, not anything. :)

I try my best to carry nearly completely concealed hoping to avoid people shouting "He's got a GUN!"

They won't. At least they never have. Some people have looked at a gun I was OC'ing; others haven't even looked. One guy smiled as he drove by and I was getting gas with a Smith on my hip. Old guy with a big beard.

I CC usually because it's less of a hassle, OC outside town. I've started to OC in town sometimes, especially on the way to a trail or something, just to see if people care. It's less of a big deal than you might imagine.

That said, I don't much care for the vibe in Seattle. People are jerks there. Not quite the MYOB Western culture of Wyoming, Idaho or Arizona.

spartywrx
July 6, 2009, 07:52 PM
You have a bulge in your pants.

If you said that to me I'd probably set the magazine down and back away very quickly :neener:

possum
July 6, 2009, 07:53 PM
i wouldn't say anything, i would go about my business.

kimbernut
July 6, 2009, 07:55 PM
DON'T ASK and DON'T TELL. It is better that way. You can't ask quietly enough and he just may have friends close by that want your piece as well as thier own. Don't think it can't happen!

huntsman
July 6, 2009, 07:56 PM
You have a bulge in your pants.

I'm just happy to see you. :)

ArmedBear
July 6, 2009, 07:56 PM
Get one of these t-shirts and avoid such dilemmas in the future.:D

http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson/upload/images/products/36682_large.jpg

wrs840
July 6, 2009, 08:01 PM
What makes it a really bad idea is that you could be wrong, then he thinks you're trying to pick him up or something.

I'll never forget when I was about fifteen (1973) and asked a friend of mine if his mother was pregnant when she was standing about ten feet away from us, belly hanging out, with a cigarette in one hand and a Schlitz in the other. Beer came out her nose... :D

Les

huntsman
July 6, 2009, 08:09 PM
with a cigarette in one hand and a Schlitz in the other. Beer came out her nose...

AHHHHH Schlitz...... she must of been a real classy broad.

DFW1911
July 6, 2009, 08:14 PM
BPH,

Welcome to concealed carry! I agree with others that it's not best to ask.

Another consideration is how are you going to respond if someone asks you if your carrying and / or you accidentally flash your CCW?

One thing I've learned during years of carrying is that folks will reply based on your response to being "outed." Fortunately it's only happened a couple of times (wind!), but by making nothing of it and saying "it's a beautiful day out, isn't it?" goes a long way.

It may happen to you, just be prepared to answer and calm any nerves.

Take care,
DFW1911

kda
July 6, 2009, 08:18 PM
I never call people out and I also try to be discrete enough that they never spot my carry.

I was in a gun shop this spring, looking at holsters and discussing solutions for CCW with the sales guy behind the counter, when another customer overheard my questions and stepped forward to make some good recommendations and show me what he was using. It was obviously working perfectly for him. I'd have never spotted his IWB carry.

I appreciated the help and suggestions but I would have never asked him first. I think most folks carry concealed simply because they do not want to call attention to themselves.

If you feel the need to share (and I understand that), help your significant other get through CCW training ... or perhaps some of your closest friends. Much better sharing with those you care about than with strangers anyway.

maskedman504
July 6, 2009, 08:22 PM
This is a bad idea with a worse title.

ar10
July 6, 2009, 09:08 PM
I would NEVER ask a stranger about what he's hiding in his pants. Not a gun, not herpes, not anything.

Exactly. Some people may have one of those crotch carry holsters.:D:D:D

Rembrandt
July 6, 2009, 09:17 PM
A bulge in the pants is usually from carrying something too big or not concealing it with the proper clothing.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v405/Rembrandt51/ConcealedCarry.jpg

wrs840
July 6, 2009, 09:17 PM
she must of been a real classy broad.

Yes indeed. It was the good ol' days. I don't know what happened to her. My friend ended up doing fifteen years, so we kinda drifted apart.

les

gbran
July 6, 2009, 09:22 PM
You ask somebody about the bulge in their pants and may get an answer you're not likely to be comfortable with.

MrCleanOK
July 6, 2009, 09:25 PM
I was tempted to ask if he was carrying

Potential mistake number one. Whatever it is, he has his shirt pulled over it and doesn't want you seeing it for a reason. Take note, then mind your own business and maintain situational awareness.

then follow up saying that I was also carrying

Potential mistake numbers two through five. You wear your gun concealed for a reason. I don't care if the pope is packing. You don't need to tell him you're walking heavy too.

CCW doesn't make you part of a mystical brotherhood or secret society where your gun is a membership card. Your gun is just a tool you carry with you that might just save your life if you need it. It's just one tool too, and not the most important one. The "hey, this is cool" effect will eventually wear off as it did when you started carrying a wallet, cell phone, car keys, etc. Until it does, you should try to contain yourself.

XTerminator
July 6, 2009, 09:32 PM
Like Mae West said "Is that a pistol in your pocket or are ya just happy to see me"

:evil:

Steve

BP Hunter
July 6, 2009, 09:33 PM
Those were good responses. I guess I was on the right track. And...thanks for the pictures! LOL:D:D

AKElroy
July 6, 2009, 09:41 PM
CCW doesn't make you part of a mystical brotherhood or secret society where your gun is a membership card. Your gun is just a tool you carry with you that might just save your life if you need it. It's just one tool too, and not the most important one. The "hey, this is cool" effect will eventually wear off as it did when you started carrying a wallet, cell phone, car keys, etc. Until it does, you should try to contain yourself.

Well said. Keep it to yourself until it becomes nothing more than a responsibility-motivated PITA. Once it does, you will have even greater appreciation for why you should keep it to yourself. I carry everyday, and I would be alarmed by someone noticing, and then informing me they were also carrying. I try to stay aware of my surroundings, and that behavior would have me a little concerned about you. Second, what if the guy with a gun was a LEO? You would have just failed to conceal to a cop. In Texas, that can get your CHL suspended or revoked. I'm with Clinton on this one--Don't ask, don't tell.

Rockwell1
July 6, 2009, 09:53 PM
Ask yourself how you would respond to a random stranger asking if you were armed. I'd go straight to defcon 2

In Germany it is considered rude to engage a stranger in conversation I guess I brought that back with me.

Mags
July 6, 2009, 09:56 PM
What are you doing looking at his pants anyways?

danprkr
July 6, 2009, 10:12 PM
You have a bulge in your pants.

Say this to me, and you'd better be a smokin' hot babe.:evil:

marv
July 6, 2009, 10:34 PM
And then there is always the chance that the other guy is not carrying legally.

Animal Mother
July 6, 2009, 10:38 PM
Congrats, this thread wins the "Most Unintentionally Funny Title Of The Week" award. :neener:

Prod
July 6, 2009, 10:40 PM
A few of my friends know I carry, and a few of my coworkers (military) as well. Usually because I went shooting with them, and eventually I had to take my pistol out of the holster so I could get in some practice. Apparently I conceal it pretty well from the looks of surprise I got. I recently took a female friend shooting, who I'm not sure is on board with the idea of concealed carry. I also limited my pro-gun propaganda speech to home defense arguments.

Don't ask, don't tell, is the best policy.

And don't act like you've never gotten a chubby from looking at a sleek refinished M1 Garand.

ezypikns
July 6, 2009, 11:17 PM
Mind your own business.

Nobody knows you're carrying. They don't care about you. Just go about your business like there's nothing going on.


Because there's nothing going on.

colorado_handgunner
July 6, 2009, 11:49 PM
That said, I don't much care for the vibe in Seattle. ...Not quite the MYOB Western culture...

I didn't either when I was out there, but the bikini espresso stands are a plus. Other than that, it sucked, especially since I was out there for 1.5 weeks with no guns.

maskedman504
July 7, 2009, 01:12 AM
In Germany it is considered rude to engage a stranger in conversation I guess I brought that back with me.

Well, there is alot of things about Germany that bother me; the Austrians were much more friendly anyhow.

jeepmor
July 7, 2009, 01:32 AM
Just go about your business like there's nothing going on.


Because there's nothing going on.

Words of wisdom right there, fine words they be indeed.

armoredman
July 7, 2009, 03:15 AM
Rembrandt, very disturbing pic! :)

jackstinson
July 7, 2009, 08:20 AM
CCW doesn't make you part of a mystical brotherhood or secret society where your gun is a membership card.
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Keep it to yourself until it becomes nothing more than a responsibility-motivated PITA.
Amen. The Sheriff didn't issue me a club card, with a secret handshake and a decoder ring.
The firearm I carry is a tool; nothing more, nothing less.


There was a time when people weren't so afraid of each other.
It has nothing to do with fear. I carry concealed for a reason.
If I wanted every Tom, Dick, and Sally in a book store to know I was carrying, I'd OC.

krmgator
July 7, 2009, 08:53 AM
Mr Clean; great answer.

I have been carrying just over a year. I fooled around with a "big gun" and now I have a Taurus 85UL with a pocket holster. I have an 11 y/o son who I am trying to teach shoot, but he knows daddy carries. He's really good about it, but every now and again I have to remind him: "This is daddy's busisness and I am doing what I have a right to do."

I don't even look to see if others are carrying. I assume that if anyone else has a gun, he/she is either a BG or not. Either way, I feel prepared. And that doesn't always mean emptying my pocket. That's why God gave me two feet.

Once again, thanks for reminding others that we don't belong to a fraternity.

TheProf
July 7, 2009, 03:50 PM
Regarding concealed carry..

"Always carry, never tell."

"Don't ask, don't tell."

SSN Vet
July 7, 2009, 04:09 PM
I mind my own business and appreciate it when others do likewise....

I am not automatically a "fraternal brother", "buddy" or "soul mate" with any person simply because they own a firearm.

CoRoMo
July 7, 2009, 04:11 PM
How many of you would ask him if he was carrying?

It's none of my business.

It's none of your business.

SSN Vet
July 7, 2009, 04:17 PM
ask me no questions and I'll tell you no lies ;)

chieftain
July 7, 2009, 04:28 PM
None of your business.

and

None of mine. If I am concerned, I will gain distance and observe or leave the area entirely.

Personally I don't find other folks who carry are a threat or worry. Here in Arizona open carry is legal too. So even if it is a poor concealed carry effort, I really don't concern myself. I just track where a known weapon is as part of my tactical awareness. The behavior of the person with the weapon will dictate my actions or inaction, not the fact that they have a weapon.

Go figure.

Fred

Stupid should hurt

rcmodel
July 7, 2009, 04:31 PM
I feel the need to share it with somebody who may also have the same love for the sport.Carrying a concealed weapon is not a sport.

Don't confuse it with being a gun enthusiast.

rc

ArmedBear
July 7, 2009, 04:36 PM
Well, there is alot of things about Germany that bother me; the Austrians were much more friendly anyhow.

Drunk people usually are.:D

AEIOU!

(Austriae est imperare orbi universo)

357mag.
July 7, 2009, 06:43 PM
Should have just said "show me your's,and i'll show ya mine" :scrutiny:

Gamera
July 7, 2009, 06:49 PM
Carrying a concealed weapon is not a sport.

Don't confuse it with being a gun enthusiast.

Well said. I don't put on my gun every morning thinking, "boy this is great fun!", It's more like, "God I pray I don't have to shoot anyone today."

TEDDY
July 7, 2009, 07:31 PM
this is interesting in a way.all this CCW is a relativly new experiance.[not for me]few CCW before the 60/70s.Mass had a permit to carry since 1906,and I had a permit from WW2 to 1998.you could carry any way.most did not carry as there was no need to.not to say there was no crime.I lived in roxbury Mass for 10yrs and never carried.the mafia did not allow crime in their naborhood.when I moved out of boston in the 50s I never even locked the door to the house.then in the 70s everything changed.kennedy bused the ethnics to mass and every thing has gone down.the more crime the more gun control.I dont believe in OP,not because it is wrong but because the BG then knows you have a gun and will shoot you then rob you.the old timers did not want to shoot just rob.they could get light time but kill some one and by by.

ArmedBear
July 7, 2009, 07:33 PM
I don't put on my gun every morning thinking, "boy this is great fun!", It's more like, "God I pray I don't have to shoot anyone today."

I guess you never lived in California (or are LE).:)

I put on my gun on every morning thinking, "boy this is great fun to live in a free state!"

THEN it's "God I pray I don't have to shoot anyone today."

JWF III
July 7, 2009, 09:04 PM
I agree with all the answers of not to ask.

But I will add this, if it's blatantly obvious, and your state doesn't allow open carry, I at least would like a discreet heads up. Nothing more than "You're printing" is needed here.

I would think that any of us were in danger of breaking the law by a technicallity, we'd like a heads up. I may be wrong, and I may be the only one, but that's me. And I'd see to help out a fellow gunny. But like I said, discreetly, meaning very discreetly.

BTW- Thank God I don't have to worry about it. Georgia allows OC.

Wyman

tpaw
July 7, 2009, 11:42 PM
You have a bulge in your pants.

Viagra will do it all the time!:rolleyes:

ironvic
July 8, 2009, 01:40 AM
Maybe I got a bulge looking at gun mag pictures once. But who can resist when it's a S&W Model-52!

AWorthyOpponent
July 8, 2009, 01:47 AM
I dont think that would be the first thing that came out of my mouth. I would comment on the book that he was looking at and try to start a converstaion. if he was comfortable and seemed to have his head on his shoulders, I might ask if he has any guns. If he said yes, i would ask a little about them moving on to whether he is pro or anti concealed carry. if hes pro id ask if he usually does, not if he was at the moment.

I guess id say id work my way around asking him, but not asking directly unless he flat out said it, never disclosing that I had my ccw on me or that I do 90% of the time I leave the house.

Tiomoid
July 8, 2009, 04:40 AM
I have never been "outed" I have however outed myself in order to inform another.

I work in a position to ID people on a regular basis. Occasionally I have caught sight of a CCW and asked the owner about it. Most people are happy to talk about their carry and techniques as long as the know the inquisitor is on their side.

MagnumDweeb
July 8, 2009, 10:31 AM
I got unintentionally(at least I'm hoping it was unintentionally) molested going into a concert because the guy at the entrance thought I was carrying(I wasn't). When I asked him if he intended to take me out to dinner, he got a real uncomfortable look on his face, he was half my size and easily intimidated looking sort so I got a good laugh out of his reaction.

I eat at a diner where I and few patrons are regularly known to conceal carry. We all sit at the counter, I pocket carry and sometimes use a shoulder holster. The other guys mostly IWB carry but one guy carrys a holster on the outside of his hip that his shirt goes over. Of course that hasn't stopped him from flashing it a few times to few people. He's a nice old guy, a vietnam vet, and harmless, so most people just tend to laugh it off and he only flashes it to people he knows(we all are on a first name basis with the waitresses and owner).

If someone is showing, and I mean obviously showing I'll say something. Most people just assume for no reason that I'm a cop anyways(big chest and arms, and buzzed head), so the few times I've said anything they've thanked me. Last one was a young guy at Books-A-Million, he sat down and I could see the grip of the gun sticking out from shirt and I let him know. He at first gave me a funny look, and then I had to go "you're glock is sticking out there buddy." And he rushed to conceal it better. If someone is obviously showing then say something, but if you can't tell what type of gun it is then maybe not saying anything is better.

twinsdad
July 8, 2009, 04:12 PM
That is prime time for "Don"t ask,Don't tell"

esq_stu
July 8, 2009, 04:22 PM
I would not want to be asked. It's nobody's business but my own. If asked, I don't know what I would say, but I would be very annoyed. I don't even want to be asked whether I am carrying by people that know I carry. No good can come of it.

Skillet
July 8, 2009, 04:32 PM
i live in idaho, here, nobody cares, when outside of city limits, i carry my cz either open or concealed. i live outside of city limits, so that helps, and the only time i really want to carry my pistol is when i go hunting (cats in that area, it's hard to wheel around a .243 to kill a cat in time(mountain lion)) and there is no law that i know of in idaho stating that somebody under the age of 18 can or cant carry a pistol concealed or unconcealed outside of city limits. as long as my dad says its okay.
although, if it is that noticable, i would carry it in a different position. a shoulder rig works great for me in either open or cc.
as i said, nobody really cares out here, doesn't really matter who you are, how old (well, if you are old enough reasonably), or anything like that.
reminds me of that charly daniels song
"what this world needs is a few more rednecks"
that's idaho.:)

cottonmouth
July 9, 2009, 01:21 AM
I was at a gun shop a few years back and was looking at a rack of really nice Winchester model 12's and L.C. Smith twice barrels when one of the employes walks up and says "Hey, you're sticking out". refering to my pistol. I just said "Yeah, ain't they sexy!" and never even looked at him. I let a few minutes go by and then let him know I was was a police officer, he got a good laugh out of it.

J.B.

Deltaboy
July 9, 2009, 12:56 PM
Don't ask and mind your own business is my rule.

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