Big Enough for Hog Hunting?


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xmanpike
July 7, 2009, 03:29 PM
I know some people are going to think this us totally inhumane, buy that's why I am posting to get a good concensus. We have some nuisance hogs coming into our deer feeders at my friends ranch. They range between 60 and 120 pounds. I have them coming in consistently to my feeder and have placed a tree blind 30 yds away. I an considering hunting them with a .22 rimfire with 40gr bullets travelling 1300-1400 fps. I an a pretty good shot and would only earhole them with this. What to you guys think?

I know this sounds terrible but I an a stickler for a clean rifle and the reason I don't want to use my 270 is that it will taker 2 days to clean it for even 1 shot.

Appreciate your input

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rcmodel
July 7, 2009, 03:43 PM
It takes you two days to clean a .270?

That there just ain't right! :what:

Wipe the sweaty hand prints off it, and If you must, run an oily patch down the bore.
You don't have to clean it completely every time you shoot it once!

All of my varmint & deer hunting rifles go all season without bore cleaning, because they don't shoot the first shot or two out of a clean bore in the same place.

We know a .22RF will kill a hog, because my old daddy did it every year at butchering time.

But he had the luxury of standing over the hog in a killing pen and shooting them right between the eyes. Then slitting their throat before they could get back up and run off.

Hog hunting with a .22RF sounds very unethical to me.
You at least owe them a clean kill, every time.

rc

Flyboy
July 7, 2009, 03:44 PM
Why would it take two days to clean a rifle, and why would it take that much longer to clean a .270 than a .22?

Personally, I wouldn't use the .22LR. Even if you could guarantee a perfect shot every time, pigs don't usually travel alone, and they've been known to charge. You may take the first one by surprise, but are you certain you can hit the second one under the pressure of a charge? Understand that if you don't, he's about two hundred pounds of pissed off (in a 100lb package), and the tusks are sharp.

I'll grant you the .45-70 I carry may be overkill, but it is comforting to know that I can definitively anchor a pig. .22LR just can't give you that guarantee.

hboy35
July 7, 2009, 03:46 PM
I know the .22 is lethal on animals even human size, and I know shot placement is critical regardless of caliber used, but I would be a bit hesitant to go after the big hogs with a .22.

I will admit to taking hogs with a .22, but they were in the 25 pound range--one shot behind the ear was lethal.

I see you wrote that the reason you are using a .22 is because that your only other option is your .270, which would damage alot of meat. Sounds like you have a good case to buy a new gun.....

The cheaper route might be to go with some of the low-recoil 270 shells that I think federal or remington make.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
July 7, 2009, 04:03 PM
No, use a 50 grain .22 MAGNUM at least in my opinion to earhole them. Preferably a .22 hornet and up. IMO, a .22 lr is inhumane, even if a great shot, even for this brain shot. But if you must, use an Aguila 60 gr SSS in a 1 in 10 or better twist rifle (i.e. AR15 conversion kit).

Also, a .270 in the ear won't ruin any meat at all, unless you consider the brain meat - use that!

xmanpike
July 7, 2009, 04:11 PM
It takes mr 2 days to clean the 270 bc the bullets I'm using are going 3150 fps and I get copper even with one shot. The reloads I'm using are cold clean barrel dead bull at 100 yes so I always keep the rifle nor that way. 2nd and 3rd shots are 1/2 inch high. But yes to get the copper out takes 2 days.

It sounds like everyone agrees that the 22 is just not enough gun. I'll use the 270. Afterall I like cleaning my guns :)

And I am in a tree stand so not worried about charging hogs, but always have the trusty colt 1911 on the hip just in case :)

TIMC
July 7, 2009, 04:26 PM
The only time I have ever used a .22 on pigs was when they are in the trap.

You need to back off on your cleaning routine before you wear the barrel out!
1 round does not mean you need to clean your rifle. I take between 30 and 50 pigs and 2-3 deer a year during the hunting season, I may only really clean my rifle 3-4 times during that time. Most of the time it just has a wipe down with an oily cloth in between hunts.

uvausmc
July 7, 2009, 04:35 PM
I'm not sure about your specific situation but a lot of gun writers and experts agree that a main reason for inconsistency, accuracy problems, and barrel wear is that people clean them too much. just something to keep in mind.

rcmodel
July 7, 2009, 04:56 PM
2nd and 3rd shots are 1/2 inch high. But see, if you already know the 2 - 3 shots are going to be 1/2" high, that's where the gun is truly zeroed.
And why you should leave the bore fouled during hunting season.

Very few rifles will shoot the first shot out of a clean barrel where it is truly zeroed with a fouled barrel.

rc

gimlet1/21
July 7, 2009, 08:01 PM
What ^ said, and it will save you 2 days of aggrevation.

JWF III
July 7, 2009, 08:46 PM
a lot of gun writers and experts agree that a main reason for inconsistency, accuracy problems, and barrel wear is that people clean them too much.

That's good news for me. I've never cleaned my guns too often. Deer Rifle only gets wiped down after I check for zero each year. Gets a wet patch or two run down the bore after the season. And do a full bore (copper removal) about once every... Well I've done it to each rifle once, about three years ago, when my main deer rifle was about 12 years old (~400 rounds).

Now shotguns, I wait so long between cleanings, it does take me a couple of days of soaking and scrubbing (2 or 3 at a time) to get them clean. Just once a year after hunting them hard in the rain, water, and mud for the season.

Wyman

SlamFire1
July 7, 2009, 09:50 PM
The reloads I'm using are cold clean barrel dead bull at 100 yes so I always keep the rifle nor that way. 2nd and 3rd shots are 1/2 inch high. But yes to get the copper out takes 2 days.

The first couple shots out of my target barrels always lands in a slightly different elevation than later shots. I have any number of times had to click up (I think) when the shot count reaches four or five.

When POI changes too much after a cleaning, I don't clean anymore.

Anyway, a 1/2 change in a group at 100 yards is not bad.

I have a 6.5 M1896 Swede that will walk 14 inches as the barrel fouls. That is bad.

redneck2
July 7, 2009, 09:58 PM
I just tried some of the foaming type bore cleaner a few weeks ago. It is amazing. Copper is totally gone in 4-6 patches. Shoot it in, let it sit about an hour, and wipe a few times. First patch comes out really blue. By number 4 to maybe 6, you're done.

Art Eatman
July 7, 2009, 10:33 PM
smanpike, if your first three shots do as you say, all within 1/2" at 100 yards, that's about as good as you'd ever need for hunting.

If your groups open up to over an inch or 1.5 inches, okay, do some cleaning--but do it with redneck 2's "goodie".

Shoot more an worry less. :)

MCgunner
July 7, 2009, 10:59 PM
A .22-250 fires a 50 grain bullet at 3800 or so fps and it don't take two days to clean. The guys that hunt prairie dogs shoot a LOT of rounds, too, in a given hunt. Hell, I'm pushing a 150 game king to 3200 fps in a 7 mag and the 100 game kings in my .257 Roberts are pushing 3150. I run a brush down the bore a few times after shooting. The 7 always shoots 1 MOA set 2.5" high at 100, the .257 shoots 3/4 MOA. I agree with all the other posters, you're a paranoid gun cleaner. :D

KenWP
July 7, 2009, 11:05 PM
Use the 22 if you have to but use solid bullets. I would say being closer would help a lot also. I can see also that useing the 270 will probbably only give you one shot per session as they will sort of disappear fast after the first shot. I would if useing the 270 see where it shoots at 30 yards also as your trying for head shots and would like to make every shot count.

snakeman
July 7, 2009, 11:19 PM
2 days i know people who shoot often and clean their rifle once a year

Kentucky Windage
July 8, 2009, 08:39 PM
Pass on the .22 for hogs, and it shouldn't take two days to get the copper out. Try some Bore Tech Eliminator -- you can get both the carbon and the copper out in just a few minutes using only patches. You can use plastic brushes, if you insist, but it really isn't necessary. Bore Tech has no ammonia and you can even leave it in the barrel. It's the best stuff I've ever used, and I've tried them all.

Birdmang
July 8, 2009, 08:42 PM
Check out the other thread with the huge boar kickin ass with a .22 bullet in his side.

kmrcstintn
July 9, 2009, 04:45 PM
I'm not sure what kind or brand of rifle you have chambered in .270, but you could try something that is NONCAUSTIC to metal like Hoppes 9 or GunSlick Copper Clenz...saturate a patch, run it through, use a phosphorous bronze or stiff nylon brush to remove the top stuff; saturate another patch, run it through, and let the chemical work for a few hours to overnight; then run a few patches to remove the fouling (don't get worried of it comes out blue or green since it might remove heavier copper deposits from jacketed bullets)

if you're dealing with a slide action (like a Remington 760 or 7600) or a lever action (like a Browning BLR) or a semiauto (Remington 740, 7400, or 750; Browning BAR, Winchester's new variant, or Benelli's variant) you could use an aerosol degreaser/cleaner that evaporates quickly to clean the inside of the receiver and the bolt carrier group...just be careful not to let any run onto your wood stocks or camo stocks (takes ink print off)

IMHO...I would feel much better hitting those hogs with a .270 since it hits with more energy and causes more tissue damage to vital organs...but each his own

Deltaboy
July 9, 2009, 05:31 PM
Get a 30/30 and stack those hogs up like cord wood.

.333 Nitro Express
July 9, 2009, 06:06 PM
Using a .22 LR on hog because the normal caliber I have fouls up the rifle. Now I've heard it all. :rolleyes:

bucktail
July 9, 2009, 08:55 PM
It isn't that the 2nd and 3rd shots are a half inch high; you're first shot is a half inch low. Foul the barrel and go fill up an ark.

hillbillydelux
July 9, 2009, 09:02 PM
A .22 LR? For hogs? Not hardly. You sure wont catch me stingin piggys with a 22. Hell they really dont even do a good job on cats :)

nathan
July 10, 2009, 11:16 AM
A bigger round like the AK will put them down for good. at least its a .30 caliber.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
July 10, 2009, 11:44 AM
Shoot more an worry less.

That man speaks wisely!

Paradiddle
July 10, 2009, 01:29 PM
See this thread for your real life answer:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=461084

No internet speculation there.

avan47
July 16, 2009, 03:51 PM
60 to 120 pound hogs from a tree stand at 30 yards - a 22rf will do the job as long as you only take head shots. I do it all the time, and they drop in their tracks. I use either 36 grain CCI Mini Mag hollow points or Winchester 40 grain hollow point Power Points. Both shoot accurately in my gun. You need to find out what shoots most accurately in your gun, but at 30 yards, an accurate round shouldn't be too hard to find.

deerhunter61
July 16, 2009, 09:44 PM
Frankly I think taking two days to clean a 270...even more than an hour is a little bit much. I have rifles I have owned for over 30 years and they shoot as good today as the day I bought them and I clean them before the season starts...go to the range and shoot them before I take them hunting and then I wipe them down after I get through hunting with them but do not clean the barrel again until the season is over...then once the season is over I clean them again and put them up for the until next season. If I do go and shoot them during the year which I do if I am looking for a load for them then I will clean them...barrel and all. But again once the season starts I do not clean the barrel again until after the season. If you think about it most people clean after so many rounds and during hunting season I might fire only 3-5 shots all season.

As far as a 22 and I am from tx I think if you respect the animal and I know a lot of folks consider them pests but if you respect the animals then you owe it to them to MAKE SURE you kill them humanely and to me a 22 is too small if you have something else to use.

Flintknapper
July 16, 2009, 11:20 PM
Hi Xman,

Thanks for posting your concern over cartridge selection, that tells me you are trying to be ethical in dealing with your problem.

As already stated by others....I believe under the conditions encountered while hunting a baited area...you would do well to leave the .22 back in camp.

My reason for suggesting this.... is not because the
.22 is inadequate to dispatch hogs. The problem... as I see it... lies in how "effective" it is likely to be under the circumstance (static).

Because the .22 is way down the "power factor" list...we are relegated to taking a Central Nervous System shot in order to cleanly harvest/dispatch the animal.

This basically means a "brain pan" shot (or something very close to it). As you know.. a hog (or group of hogs) will normally be quite active on bait. They are constantly moving...often unpredictably.

Even when standing still, the head and neck are moving as they root around picking up the bait. The shot you want.... represents a fairly small target and the chance the animal might move at the time you pull the trigger is significant.

For that reason...I generally discourage people from taking "head shots" (regardless of caliber) unless they are very experienced...or the hogs are in a trap.

I can assure you....I have no love for hogs, but I will not purposely do them a dis-service by using too small a cartridge or employing it under the wrong set of circumstances.

Again, thanks for your thoughtfulness...it reflects well on the rest of us who hunt.

Flint.

Todd1700
July 17, 2009, 10:14 AM
I wouldn't use a .22 for hogs unless I was going to consistently be close enough to stick one just behind his ear. I have killed them with a .22 magnum by head shooting them in just that manner. But in those cases I was presented with about a 35 to 40 yard shoot at a calm pig standing dead still. The hide on a hog is thick. Especially on the boars who developed a thick shield just behind the shoulder. So for body shots I would step up to whatever caliber you use for deer sized game.

hardluk1
July 17, 2009, 11:28 AM
Why don't you get some jb's bore paste and do some polishing on that bore or change bullets? Better yet if your shoots are going to be at 30yards ,,use a bow. Ain't worth have'n a gun you can't enjoy . Some molly bullet shooters don't clean ,just wipe, maybe you should look into that.

xmanpike
July 27, 2009, 01:32 AM
TY all for your input. I ended up not taking the .22. Decided I would should some loads I had made up for my 270 that I wanted to try and took that instead as I am curious as to the performance of the new Barnes TSX bullets I am reloading with. Also had the 1911 on my side. Sadly, the hogs seem to be pretty nocturnal, going to hunt them witha spotlight with some buddies here shortly. Thank you all for the input.

MC

Art Eatman
July 27, 2009, 08:54 AM
Report back with the results, okay? :) A new thread would be welcome.

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