The mini -gun is legal


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Misstreeshot
July 7, 2009, 08:03 PM
7 items you won't believe are legal-

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Larry Ashcraft
July 7, 2009, 08:11 PM
Interesting, but THR is a family site, so that link is not appropriate.

Here's the crux of the article, though.
Unfortunately, there are only something like eleven civilian-legal miniguns in the USA. Most of them are in private hands, but one occasionally comes back up on the market. The going rate for your average minigun is around $400,000. But that's not the only expense you'll have. The minigun will require an extensive mounting system. Contrary to what you have heard, firing one of these by yourself would lead to severe blunt trauma, and a huge machine gun shooting wildly into the air. It's also going to be expensive to feed: one second of firing the minigun will set you back about sixty bucks. That's $3600 for a full minute of shooting.

damien
July 7, 2009, 08:15 PM
It was probably an interesting article for the common man. But, I bet most people here already knew that FA firearms are legal in most states, with the correct NFA tax stamp, and with a really fat wallet.

P.S. Thermite would be really hard to ban considering the two compounds in it are only slightly less common than sand.

Nate1778
July 7, 2009, 08:18 PM
You can buy one at Knob Creek machine gun shoot, last time I was there, there was a guy selling one, and I don't remember a $400,000 price tag, it was more in the $180,000 range. You could also buy a flame thrower and a practice missile launcher with dummy rounds to fire. I love that shoot............

The Lone Haranguer
July 7, 2009, 08:25 PM
If I understand the operating principle correctly, it is not an automatic weapon. Each cartridge is individually, mechanically fired, using the same priniciple as a Gatling gun - just very fast. :D

chris in va
July 7, 2009, 08:36 PM
IIRC there were at least two belching lead at the last Knob Creek MG shoot. Brrrrrrrrrp. I don't know how people afford those things.

DoubleTapDrew
July 7, 2009, 08:41 PM
If I understand the operating principle correctly, it is not an automatic weapon. Each cartridge is individually, mechanically fired, using the same priniciple as a Gatling gun - just very fast.
Yes but it fires more than one round per function of the trigger (button), just like if you hooked up an electric drill to a crank operated gun like a gatling :)

A minigun is so impractical But I want one!!!

JWF III
July 7, 2009, 08:53 PM
If I understand the operating principle correctly, it is not an automatic weapon. Each cartridge is individually, mechanically fired, using the same priniciple as a Gatling gun - just very fast.

The main thing that gets it under NFA, and not the Gatlin, is the fact that it is fired by the aid of electricity.

Technically, DoubleTapDrews comment about the drill could be done to the Gatlin. As long as it is not attached, and the only way to function the gun. But I'm sure the ATF would classify the DeWalt (or pick your brand) drill as an NFA item as soon as they saw it work. Kind of like that stock years ago for the 10/22 that aided in bump firing.

Wyman

sacp81170a
July 7, 2009, 09:16 PM
But I'm sure the ATF would classify the DeWalt (or pick your brand) drill as an NFA item as soon as they saw it work. Kind of like that stock years ago for the 10/22 that aided in bump firing.

Kinda like the piece of shoe string that, when tied to the operating handle of an M1A makes it go bang more than once per pull of the trigger. You can do the same sort of thing with a rubber band on an M4gery. :rolleyes:

Mongoose
July 7, 2009, 09:32 PM
Guys if you want Miniguns just head over to www.airsoftatlanta.com or www.pipersprecisionproducts.com The Echo-1 will run you $3,500 and the custom built P-3 will run around $6,000. The P-3 uses 88g steel bbs and shreds anything in sight at 600fps:D

GodGuns&Guitars
July 7, 2009, 10:18 PM
Would this be legal? It's only a 22 short.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v374/KIMBER45TLE/100_0072.jpg

Before you ask, it's not mine. It is a pretty thing though.

Deltaboy
July 7, 2009, 10:21 PM
Gatlins are legal and that is the first one I have seen in 22 short. I have seen them in 45-70, 50-100. 22 Lr and 22 mag.

danbrew
July 7, 2009, 10:58 PM
The thing that makes it a machinegun is not electricity, but as DoubleTabDrew says, that is fires more than one round with each operation of the trigger (button).

You can buy one right now that is fully transferable for $240,000.

http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/index.cgi?db=nfafirearms&website=&language=&session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=long&db_id=15145&query=retrieval

:D

danprkr
July 7, 2009, 11:10 PM
My wife griped about the Cimaron Plinkster I just bought for 200. If I told her I'd bought a gun for one and a half times what our house was worth I'd be single before the sun set. Now if I could just figure out the down side... :evil:

BeltfedMG
July 7, 2009, 11:17 PM
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/beltfedmgs/IMG_0429.jpgYes they are legal, expensive but legal. Heres a pic of the wife on her favorite gun in the world, have vids of her shooting up cars and such, frickin hillarious!

NC-Mike
July 7, 2009, 11:17 PM
With 500 dollars and a couple 10-22's you to can have a Gatlin gun! :eek:

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/128335000/128335511/pix375635359.jpg

Zoogster
July 7, 2009, 11:27 PM
With 500 dollars and a couple 10-22's you to can have a Gatlin gun!

Is that thing legal? I ask because it has a single crank that appears to activates two seperate firearms.

I seem to recall a single trigger discharging multiple barrels a machinegun. Yet I know different stages of a crank are considered seperate trigger pulls and thus not a "machinegun" under federal law on one firearm. So can a single crank fire two firearms? Four firearms?
How about sixteen mounted in a circle around a center crank connected by gearing?

N003k
July 7, 2009, 11:31 PM
Ah, if I remember correctly every quarter turn of the handle fires one of the barrels, and since it has to be turned 1/4 of the way around per shot.....it's considered legal I guess.

Actually saw one local, was interested in it until I realized just how tiny the thing was haha

NC-Mike
July 7, 2009, 11:35 PM
449.00 (without discount) at Cabela's

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0034775227757a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH_all&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&Ntt=gatlin+gun+kit&Ntk=Product_liberal&sort=all&Go.y=9&_D%3AhasJS=+&N=0&_D%3Asort=+&Nty=1&hasJS=true&Go.x=17&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form1&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1

LeonCarr
July 7, 2009, 11:47 PM
11 civilian legal miniguns in the US?

Mike Dillon probably owns 10 of the 11 :).

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

BeltfedMG
July 8, 2009, 12:59 AM
6,000 rnds a minute of $0.50 rnd ammo+ $3000 per miute to shoot.

Just like all machineguns, its not the cost of the gun that eats ya up, its the cost of the ammo to feed it. 30,000 rnds shot a day at shoots, do the math.

JWF III
July 8, 2009, 01:56 AM
The thing that makes it a machinegun is not electricity,

I remembered seeing the part about elctrical fire control somewhere, I'll look for it and post it when/if I find it.

The price of the miniguns has really gone up. I saw one for sale, somewhere out of Texas, in 2005. It was "only" $99,999. I was gonna get it:D, until I figured out how much it would cost to feed it. Something like $4000 a minute at todays ammo prices.

Wyman

Eightball
July 8, 2009, 01:59 AM
I don't think it really matters what it costs--any real, down-to-earth, red-blooded American male, somewhere in their heart.......really, really wants to own a minigun, just because.

Waibaddayu
July 8, 2009, 02:43 AM
Dillon builds their own mini-guns. Dillon Aero M134.

DoubleTapDrew
July 8, 2009, 02:54 AM
According to the ATF: Snippet of ATF tech branch letter located at:http://www.nfaoa.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=230&sid=784c478ae86b6fc30bf043d7b7bc8949
Generally, a Gatling type hand crank operated firearm, having a
bore diameter of 1/2-inch or less, as produced under the patents of
1862-1893, employing a cam action to accomplish the functions of
repeat cocking, firing, and ejecting, in a caliber for which
ammunition is commercially available, and manufactured after 1898,
would be classified as a "firearm" as defined in Title 18 United
States Code (U.S.C.), Chapter 44, section 921(a)(3), Title I of the
GCA.

A Gatling gun as described in the preceding paragraph and using an
electric motor to fire the weapon instead of hand cranking, would
be classified as a "firearm" and a "machinegun" as defined in Title
26 U.S.C., Chapter 53, section 5845(b), the NFA.

Electrically driven machineguns such as the M-134 Minigun are
firearms and machineguns subject to the provisions of the NFA.
Frames or receivers of such weapons are also machineguns regardless
of whether or not other components are present.


Summary: Yes, you have to pay that much for a legal minigun!
I did see one that was in horrible shape and needed to be completely rebuilt for $100k. Considering the Form 4 is about $220k of that pricetag it would be a bargain for someone to buy and rebuild, as the serial numbered part was fine on it.

jobu07
July 8, 2009, 03:56 AM
I recall seeing a gentleman with one at a shoot in Northern PA some years ago. IIRC he said it set him back $75,000. It had a large cross it was mounted on and was hooked up to an electrical power source - I believe two car batteries. It was pretty neat to watch.

jackstinson
July 8, 2009, 09:17 AM
"Gatling", not "Gatlin"....as in Dr. Richard J. Gatling.

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