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TheeBadOne
October 22, 2003, 07:04 PM
I'm now a Certified Glock Armoror :D

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manwithoutahome
October 22, 2003, 07:15 PM
Congrads :D

So, what size sledge hammer did they give your for "frame repair" :D :neener:

M

TheeBadOne
October 22, 2003, 07:17 PM
So, what size sledge hammer did they give your for "frame repair"
They gave me a 1911, but warned me not to hit a Glock frame with it unless I wanted to damage the 1911... :neener: ;) :D

Firefighter
October 22, 2003, 08:46 PM
Glocks Rule !

manwithoutahome
October 22, 2003, 10:12 PM
TheeBadOne

:D, good one :D

M

garrettwc
October 23, 2003, 12:50 AM
TheeBadOne, I am a 1911 shooter.

But that comment was still funny as all get out.:D :D

Congrats on your accomplishment.

So how do you go about becoming one? What do they cover in the classes?

TheeBadOne
October 23, 2003, 01:16 AM
So how do you go about becoming one? What do they cover in the classes?
You could contact Glock to try to find out where/when the next course is. It would be far easier to get this info from the Regional Glock rep (call your gunshops and ask who he is). You can apply with him. They offer a 1 day, 2 day, and 3 day course. The 1 day is the standard armoror course, the 3 day is advanced which covers shooting the Glock pistol (a lot more info than you think, Glock specific of course) and the basic armoror course. The 2 day course is just the shooting. The 1 day course will teach you to completely take apart the entire pistol and to replace parts. Everything is covered. Suggestions for parts kits too. The only thing we didn't actually do hands on was swap out sights, but that's not a big deal with Glocks and the sight tools. We were demonstrated some of the problems you will come across (most from improper assembly to abussive owners). You learn a fair bit about your Glock that you never did. Maint/Lubercation/Replacement is also covered, and again, I learned a thing or two that was very good to know. I think the fee for the basic course was around $85, lunch included.

TBO

garrettwc
October 23, 2003, 01:28 AM
Thanks for the info TheeBad.

I was under the impression that you had to be LEO or Glock dealer to take the class. The 1 day class sounds like what I would like to learn.

uglymofo
October 23, 2003, 01:38 PM
So how do you go about becoming one?

Judging from the Glocks I've shot, the only tools you'll need are a brick and a hammer. If you can ring the bell at the carnival when you hit that plate with the sledge hammer, you're qualified to work on Glocks. :neener: :)

TheeBadOne
October 23, 2003, 02:24 PM
I was under the impression that you had to be LEO or Glock dealer to take the class. The 1 day class sounds like what I would like to learn.

Garrett I'm not sure what their rule is on who can or can't take their armoror course, so you'll have to ask them. Sorry.

valnar
October 23, 2003, 02:25 PM
You also need a plastic injection molding, some playdough and a kiln to make the frame.

:evil:



That's great news. Congrats!

-Robert

TheeBadOne
October 23, 2003, 10:41 PM
What did they teach us first and foremost about Glocks?
SAFETY!!!
Unlike those 1911's they will go BOOM everytime you pull the trigger! :D

Firefighter
October 23, 2003, 11:16 PM
a 1911A1 could never take the abuse that Glocks withstood before becoming the pre eminent sidearm in American Law Enforcement :neener: When was the last time you saw a cop with a 1911A1:neener:

Andrew Wyatt
October 24, 2003, 12:55 AM
Every time i go to tacoma.

George Hill
October 24, 2003, 01:49 AM
Lots of Cops out here in Utah with 1911s. And I do mean A LOT of them.

foghornl
October 24, 2003, 11:02 AM
Didn't get a chance to chat with them, but I have seen several of the Mentor, OH police carrying something cocked-and-locked. Looked like some sort of stainless 1911-A1 or variant thereof.

And, major congrats to you for becoming an 'armorer', with a big sweeping tip of the hat.

BrokenPaw
October 24, 2003, 01:34 PM
Unlike those 1911's they will go BOOM everytime you pull the trigger! Yeah, but also unlike 1911s, with a Glock sometimes the "BOOM" is preceded by an annoying little "ka". :D

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

ObDisclaimer: I don't shoot Glocks or 1911s. I'm happy with my Beretta 96.

-BP

Snake Eyes
October 24, 2003, 01:54 PM
Sorry if this is slightly OT, but this is a real peeve of mine:
a 1911A1 could never take the abuse that Glocks withstood before becoming the pre eminent sidearm in American Law Enforcement When was the last time you saw a cop with a 1911A1
Glocks are carried by more LEOs for one reason ONLY:

THEY ARE CHEAP!

Glocks are price-pointed below comparable weapons from other reputable, quality manufacturers to begin with, and then deeply discounted to LE agencies. This is a brilliant marketing plan designed to get gun sheeple to say asinine things like "Glocks are the best because most cops carry them"--and then buy one for themselves.

The only thing you can infer from a Glock on a LEOs hip is that s/he, or their department, can't afford anything better.

If Glock REALLY was "all that and a bag of chips", the US Military would be issuing them. Do the German or Austrian military issue Glocks? Does ANY national military issue Glocks as service weapons?

Sorry. [/rant]

PGR

TheeBadOne
October 24, 2003, 02:01 PM
Glocks are carried by more LEOs for one reason ONLY:

THEY ARE CHEAP!

Not true. The main reason is that 1911's are carried by very few agencies is that they are single action. I own both, and enjoy both. No flaming meant or intended by any of my posts here. (and please no flaming from others.)

Snake Eyes
October 24, 2003, 02:20 PM
TBO--

First, congratulations on your accomplishment. Becoming a Glock armorer certainly seems prudent, considering the number of Glocks on the street. And self-improvement and continued education are always noble.

Second, my comments above were not intended to flame, nor imply a "1911 vs. Glock" bias. Glocks are fine weapons and probably perfectly suitable for their intended use.

However, I stand by my statements. I will be happy to argue (probably in a different thread) the points I presented above.

Again, congratulations.

PGR

blades67
October 24, 2003, 10:00 PM
If Glock REALLY was "all that and a bag of chips", the US Military would be issuing them.

Glock won't disclose the formula used to make their polymer so the U.S. Government won't consider the Glock. Glock wouldn't accept the U.S. government requirements to release the winning contender's production and patent rights to open bidding.

Do the German or Austrian military issue Glocks? Does ANY national military issue Glocks as service weapons?

Yes. The Austrian Army issues the Glock pistol.


You should research things you hate because you don't understand them.:rolleyes:

Firefighter
October 24, 2003, 10:09 PM
far more cops carry Glocks than 1911A1s..

Firefighter
October 24, 2003, 10:11 PM
anyone who thinks Glocks are cheap is too uninformed to acknowledge :cuss:

ARperson
October 24, 2003, 11:53 PM
far more cops carry Glocks than 1911A1s

So what? Far more people drive cars than trucks, but that doesn't mean cars are superior to trucks in any particular way.

You have to look at the politics of LEO carry. First, gubmint agencies are afraid of the liability issues involved with the single action 1911. Too many chances for NDs and the like.

Second, all else being equal, the Glock is easier on the budget for a lot of agencies.

Third, (and this is no flame to any particular LEO individual out there), but the ease of use of the Glock has to play big time in the decision. The point-and-shoot-ability of the Glock is what contributes its popularity with LEO agencies. I mean, let's face it. LE doesn't always attract the rocket scientists and Einsteins. The lack of bells and whistles (safeties, decockers, SA/DA) means even the "simplest" of LEOs can safely operate the firearm (assuming they are knowledgable with the operation).

Don't make the mistake of assuming that popularity necessarily means superiority in every way.

JohnKSa
October 25, 2003, 12:40 AM
Congratulations!

I've wanted to take the course for awhile but probably won't get around to it.

Does ANY national military issue Glocks as service weapons? Glock is the issue sidearm for the Norwegian military.

Counting the Austrians, that's at least two.

Which means, if I'm not mistaken, that at least twice as many militaries have adopted the Glock as ever used the 1911A1...

Triad
October 25, 2003, 01:16 AM
I think you're mistaken. Norway bought a license to produce the 1911 from Colt and adopted them as military issue. I believe Argentina did as well.

JohnKSa
October 25, 2003, 02:54 AM
The Norwegian gun was a 1911, not an A1.

The first batches of the Argentinian pistols were A1 configuration ( I wasn't aware of that) but the later pistols were unlicensed and couldn't be called 1911A1s.

Ok, so what we have then is that, assuming that Norway and Glock are the only two countries issuing Glock pistols to their militaries, the Glock has been the issue weapon to as many countries as the 1911A1...

Firefighter
October 25, 2003, 09:19 AM
I don't go to 1911A1 threads and disrespect 1911A1s..If you don't like the Glock tell someone who cares and respects your opinion :fire: :scrutiny:

Ky Larry
October 25, 2003, 09:56 AM
The Republic of Korea (South Korea) military also used the 1911 for many years. I don't own a Glock and don't want to but I respect any person who furthers their education and knowledge. Congrats on your accomplishment.

P.S. These silly little flame wars remind me of second grade. "My Dad can whip your dad." Can't we all just get along?

Black Snowman
October 25, 2003, 11:31 AM
Congradulations.

I've shot a lot of differant pistols and my only complaint against the 1911 style guns is they don't point well for me. Like anything there are good ones and bad ones. I like my Glock 24P with it's 1st gen frame but the 3rd gen frames don't fit me well so I'm likely never to get another one unless it's a used 1st or 2nd gen.

I'm no armorer but I've had my 24P down to every little component part except the mag release. Found instructions online, wasn't that hard but there are several important tricks to know to keep from damaging it in the process. I was putting in an extended slide catch at the time so used that as an excuse to see how it was put together and to check everything out. Polished the contact points on the transfer bar while I was at it. Made the trigger MUCH smoother, and it wasn't bad to start with. I was very happy.

I've thought of becoming a gunsmith, or an auto mechanic, or a motorcycle mechanic, or an aircraft mechanic, or a machinest . . . maybe if I get laid off from work I can get a government education grant, unfortunately I'm a single white male so odds of getting government assistance are pretty much nil. Probably just have to go in debt for it.

I'll look into that course too, a lot more affordable than I expected.

NonServiam
October 26, 2003, 09:01 AM
Correct, Glock 17 is the Norwegian issue sidearm. We *did* produce 1911 in Kongsberg pre WWII, prob later as well. M67, you got the years?

I believe Denmark and Sweden issue Glocks as well.

ElToro
October 29, 2003, 05:33 PM
i dont know what your definition of cheap is but for a fascinating look at old Gaston, check out Forbes a few months ago and the story they did on him.

IIRC total cost (parts +Labor, etc) per gun is about 75$ per unit... they retil for about $600 ? PD contract price is about half that ?

ive never had a problem with glock except they are not that visually appealing to me... other than that ive only ever heard good things from my shooting friends who own them

valnar
October 29, 2003, 05:46 PM
That's a figure I'd *love* to know. What does it cost to make each kind of pistol from the various major manufacturers.

Not the dealer cost, but the production cost. Then we'd really know which guns were cheap.

-Robert

TheeBadOne
October 29, 2003, 05:47 PM
ive never had a problem with glock except they are not that visually appealing to me... other than that ive only ever heard good things from my shooting friends who own them
The best description I've heard of Glocks was in a gun mag. The writer was talking about a friend of his who admitted Glocks shot/performed well but did not like them. He called them; "The ugly gun that shoots like hell". :D

Devonai
October 29, 2003, 05:56 PM
Congrats, sir.

The last certified Glock armorer I met got all high-and-mighty on me when I told him I knew how to swap out the 5# trigger spring with the 8# and 12# "New York" spring assemblies.

"You'll void the warranty. And I hope you're not planning on carrying that for self-defense. I'll be reading about you in the obits."

:rolleyes:

Please be nice to us amateurs. :D

TheeBadOne
October 29, 2003, 06:14 PM
Please be nice to us amateurs.
Hey, I'm as nice and easy going as they come. As far as I'm concerned, "Amateurs" are where it's at. Full of the best people you'll ever meet. (I count myself in there too). ;)

Bainx
October 29, 2003, 08:43 PM
alright! that does it!
I challenge anybody here to a duel at ten paces, me with a G30 and you with your 1911. :D

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