BCRider Brass 58 Club


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Das Jaeger
July 8, 2009, 07:04 AM
Just kidding BC , but thought this would look familiar to ya !
I built this from a Kit . It wears Fancy Figured Maple grips now .

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/5150kelly/100_0232.jpg
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/5150kelly/000_0022.jpg
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/5150kelly/000_0023_00.jpg
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/5150kelly/100_0259.jpg

Das Jaeger :)

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BCRider
July 8, 2009, 02:28 PM
A BRASS frame? Now that's unusual! Not historically correct but it would make for a nice conversation piece. The adjustable rear sight is a nice touch but to me it takes a little away from the display aspect. And.... as always a lovely job on the grips. You may just see my own replacements this winter during the "down time" due to peer pressure.... :D

Ratdog68
July 8, 2009, 07:12 PM
Does this puppy count ? :neener:

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv134/Ratdog68/BlackPowder/1858/Bison/1858Bison001.jpg

Das Jaeger
July 8, 2009, 07:18 PM
Ratdog68 ! :)
Nice background for the picture too .
They are pretty revolvers huh . Good shooters too , can reach out and touch ya real well . They love Hornady .454's too .

Das Jaeger

Das Jaeger
July 8, 2009, 07:21 PM
now I am senior member ? I could make a joke here , or just read my mind .

I must have posted allot to become a senior member , I wonder if that's a record here ? I doubt it . :)

Das Jaeger

Ratdog68
July 8, 2009, 07:21 PM
Ratdog68 ! :)
Nice background for the picture too .
They are pretty revolvers huh . Good shooters too , can reach out and touch ya real well . They love Hornady .454's too .

Das Jaeger
LOL That particular one is in the custody of UPS at the moment. Traditions/Pietta is getting that one back. They "THINK" they can "FIX" it... we shall see how the dust settles on this one.

Ratdog68
July 8, 2009, 07:23 PM
now I am senior member ? I could make a joke here , or just read my mind .

I must have posted allot to become a senior member , I wonder if that's a record here ? I doubt it . :)

Das Jaeger
I think it means that we've become a senior member when our jokes get old. I attained that a while back. :D Seriously... your post count passed "100"... that probably did it.

Das Jaeger
July 8, 2009, 07:29 PM
I hope they do or send ya another . It must have been pretty bad to have to send it back , Traditions , I steer away from that company whenever possible .
I had two Tradations 51's nickeled 44's , incorrect caliber, but both broke, the arbor shot loose on both and I never loaded mroe than 17 gr. in either , worked up from 12 gr.
I had the darndest time with that company getting them to send me something back or replacing them . Finally after three months of phone beatings they finally submitted to my awsome mouth abuse and sent me two nickeled 1860's Sherrif models with steel frames . Problem solved . Never again . They told me they no longer made the 51's so were sending 60's? Liers . :cuss: I told them they don't make them anyway , so don;t insult my intellegence , what little I have that tis :)

Good luck , what was wrong with it ?

Das Jaeger

Ratdog68
July 8, 2009, 07:43 PM
I hope they do or send ya another . It must have been pretty bad to have to send it back , Traditions , I steer away from that company whenever possible .
I had two Tradations 51's nickeled 44's , incorrect caliber, but both broke, the arbor shot loose on both and I never loaded mroe than 17 gr. in either , worked up from 12 gr.
I had the darndest time with that company getting them to send me something back or replacing them . Finally after three months of phone beatings they finally submitted to my awsome mouth abuse and sent me two nickeled 1860's Sherrif models with steel frames . Problem solved . Never again . They told me they no longer made the 51's so were sending 60's? Liers . :cuss: I told them they don't make them anyway , so don;t insult my intellegence , what little I have that tis :)

Good luck , what was wrong with it ?

Das Jaeger
LOL From what I can see... they used a 5/8" wide belt sander to dress the casting slag off the side of the frame... and... someone wasn't paying attention to what they were doin' and "slipped" and cut just a little too deep (1/32") where the back strap meets up to the rest of the frame. Then... they used their dividers to measure over to the "other side" and cut the backstrap on a different plane than the lay of the hammer along the barrel. As a result... the right grip has more meat hanging off the side of the frame than does the left side... and there's a 1/32" gap that's 5/8" long on the left side... allowing you to see daylight through between the grip/frame. I sent 'em these pix... they think they can "fix it".

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv134/Ratdog68/BlackPowder/1858/Bison/1858Bison003.jpg
http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv134/Ratdog68/BlackPowder/1858/Bison/1858BisonGap001.jpg

I love the macro setting on my Canon G9 digital camera...

http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv134/Ratdog68/BlackPowder/1858/Bison/1858BisonGap002.jpg

Now... my rendition of how it happened may be off... but it seems the most likely means that I can conjur up.

Das Jaeger
July 8, 2009, 08:03 PM
thats pretty ugly .
Fix it they say huh ?
Uhh huh , sure they can , wheres my hammer ! :what:
Give ya new one and start over, melt that one , aint no way they can fix it , right , they already took off too much metal .
Makes mine I built look excellent , thanks , hee hee hee .

I hope they do ya right though , fingers crossed here . Did you write down the seriel number to see if it comes back the same gun .

Das Jaeger

Ratdog68
July 8, 2009, 08:22 PM
thats pretty ugly .
Fix it they say huh ?
Uhh huh , sure they can , wheres my hammer ! :what:
Give ya new one and start over, melt that one , aint no way they can fix it , right , they already took off too much metal .
Makes mine I built look excellent , thanks , hee hee hee .

I hope they do ya right though , fingers crossed here . Did you write down the seriel number to see if it comes back the same gun .

Das Jaeger
Hmmmm... m'be... not sure whether I did or not. LOL Yeah... m'be, IF they braze some brass onto the left side and then reshape it, blend it and polish it smooth it'll "appear" "right". All I gotta say is... it'd better BE "right" when I get it back or they're gonna be none too pleased with my response. I purchased three guns from them in ONE order (this is one of them)... I deserve a fair shake by 'em.

flmason
July 8, 2009, 08:52 PM
@Das Jaeger - Which Hornady .454's are you referring to? Round balls or some sort of conical?

I'm trying to draw a bead on a good conical mold to get for a '58. Hopefully something with better weight than a round ball and seals well enough to lube and leave the cylinder loaded without worrying about the powder charge getting the lube in it.

Was hoping to approximate a .45 LC type of loading. Granted 30 gr. fffg is more typical to '58 rather than the 255 grs. over 40 gr. fffg of the black powder LC load. So I won't be getting quite the same push. But close maybe.

Haven't been able to come up with muzzle energy figures for the round ball vrs. the conicals for varying black powder (or pyrodex) loads yet. I'm running under the assumption that at these velocities extra bullet weight is more of a plus than the velocity the lighter bullet has?

Das Jaeger
July 8, 2009, 09:59 PM
Hornady Round Ball was my reference .

Das Jaeger

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