What is the most cool, obscure or rare gun you have ever fired?
jsalcedo
October 22, 2003, 06:22 PM
What is the most cool, obscure or rare gun you have ever fired?
Here is mine:
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Marko Kloos
October 22, 2003, 06:31 PM
In the military, I got to shoot a G11 once. That'll probably have to rank as my "cool, obscure, or rare gun".
Larry Ashcraft
October 22, 2003, 06:38 PM
Johnson rifle my dad owned for a while.
Also the Uzi Steve Smith's friend brought to the Colorado Get Together. It isn't rare but is was the first full auto I had ever shot.
Bigjake
October 22, 2003, 06:45 PM
a mini-uzi. fastest i've ever seen 9mm disapear
rick314
October 22, 2003, 06:52 PM
Vulcan
omega5
October 22, 2003, 07:03 PM
My Great Uncle had a Ithica, 10ga, double bbl, black powder that used full brass shells. I loved that old gun as a kid. When he died, it disappeared. No one would own up to who got it. I've offered a $1000 cash but no one has ever admitted to getting it. Beautiful dark walnut wood, case hardened engraved breech....
willyjixx
October 22, 2003, 07:08 PM
what is that?
25mm bushmaster from a Bradley
Javelin Surface to Surface anti-armor
AT4 anti armor
M249
M240 B
Mark 19
Benjamin
October 22, 2003, 07:11 PM
USAS-12
Full auto, drum fed 12 bore shotgun.
Ridgeway
October 22, 2003, 07:22 PM
MP5/10
According to hkpro.com there are only 1400 such guns, so I suppose its fairly rare...
Bigjake
October 22, 2003, 07:34 PM
ridgeway-
would that be the 10mm version?? my clancy is rusty but i think thats what they used in rainbow 6, yes no???
jsalcedo
October 22, 2003, 07:34 PM
what is that?
German FG-42 Full auto 7.92x57 Used by German paratroopers during WWII. Shown with 20 round magazine
Shooter 2.5
October 22, 2003, 07:43 PM
4MM indoor Schuten rifle
9MM Rimfire Shotgun
357 Mateba
To be shot:
36 Caliber blackpowder duckfoot
38 cal. Russian Nagant revolver
P95Carry
October 22, 2003, 07:48 PM
Two in fact ........ full auto Stirling smg .... 34 rounds went ..... well, quite quick!!
And ...... old WWII Brit artillery piece, the ''25 Pounder'' :p :evil: :eek:
http://www.bedford.net/design/shoot/25pounder_s.jpg
Wildalaska
October 22, 2003, 07:57 PM
Broomhandle Schnellfuer...
Glock 18
WildandaredryderbbgunAlaska
Jeeper
October 22, 2003, 08:00 PM
Browning watercooled machinegun.
4v50 Gary
October 22, 2003, 08:01 PM
For modern guns - FN-P90.
Oldest gun - Trapdoor Springfield.
Most exotic - Some Suppressed Chinese SMG. Sorry but I don't remember the model #.
vmi93
October 22, 2003, 08:15 PM
Alexander Arms AR-15 in .50 Beowulf.
Various 1950's vintage 105mm howitzers (blanks only)
"Little John II" a blackpowder cannon used to salute touchdowns at my alma-mater (blanks only).
Ridgeway
October 22, 2003, 08:18 PM
ridgeway-
would that be the 10mm version?? my clancy is rusty but i think thats what they used in rainbow 6, yes no???
yes its a 10mm, and I do believe it was in Rainbow 6...
Mike Irwin
October 22, 2003, 08:20 PM
Pretty damned impressive, JS...
Lezzee...
.505 Gibbs bolt action...
.470 Nitro by Ferlach...
MP-44...
Probably the topper, though, was a Colt Single Action Army with a serial number of something like 12....
LeonCarr
October 22, 2003, 08:31 PM
Lemme see:
Weatherby Mark V in .460 Weatherby Magnum (only shot it once)
German MG34 belt fed machine gun
German MP40 submachine gun
German STG44 assault rifle (The original assault rifle)
I got to shoot the german stuff courtesy of a buddy of mine heavy into WWII re-enacting.
Just my .02,
LeonCarr
Maddock
October 22, 2003, 09:28 PM
Schnellfeurpistole
Maxim 08
Original Model 1841 rifle
Parker double 28 gauge.
keederdag
October 22, 2003, 09:32 PM
Loads of full auto's; but the H&K-21 most obscure
geegee
October 22, 2003, 10:00 PM
I had to speak at a conference this year in Boise, ID. While I was there, I found a local range that rented guns, including a few Class III's. The coolest one for me was an original 1927 Thompson SMG. I'll bet there are a few members on this board that have been to that range and fired that weapon.
The best part of that "full auto, bring me more ammo, load more mags" experience? I had a guest with me (one of the invesment advisors at the conference), so I got to turn in the cost of the whole range session on my expense report! :D Hey, it was a heckuva lot cheaper than an afternoon of golf. geegee
CWL
October 22, 2003, 10:07 PM
RPG, assortment of Chicom/Sovblok weaponry.
Was inside the launch control tractor-trailer of a mobile SCUD (didn't get to push the red button though)
Handled a Gygrojet carbine and handgun, didn't want to spend $50/rd though.
Dardick pistol 'tround'.
wardog
October 22, 2003, 10:13 PM
HK 51. Full-Auto .308 with an 8" barrel. Awesome!
longtom4570
October 22, 2003, 11:16 PM
I got to shoot a 45-70 Gatling gun at Winter range one year:D
you could hear it all up and down the firing line
Dorian
October 22, 2003, 11:19 PM
my clancy is rusty but i think thats what they used in rainbow 6, yes no???
Correct.
And Beretta .45s for sidearms(guess they were cougars).
Can't remember what the Sniper's rifles were though.
And the the Crew Chief who took the bad guy out from the helipooper with his beretta 9mm was my hero
AJ Dual
October 22, 2003, 11:29 PM
(sigh)
Justin
October 22, 2003, 11:41 PM
Once upon a time I was lucky enough to get the opportunity to put about 20 rounds through a Stoner 63.
ACP230
October 22, 2003, 11:44 PM
I shot a full auto Mauser Broomhandle once. It was the only time I've seen one. It had a fast cyclic rate and shooting four round bursts of .30 Mauser generated some recoil.
The Ingram M6 is a fairly rare subgun. The trigger is the selector. Pull a little and you get semiauto fire, pull more and you get rock and roll. I've fired one many times and still like it a lot. I wish the magazines weren't so expensive!
The oddest blackpowder gun I fired was home made. The underhammer was powered by a screen door spring. The barrel was a length of tubing and the sights were a nail and a hook eye. The guy who built it said he was tired of hearing people talk about banning guns so decided to demonstrate how hard it would be. The thing fired, and held together. I have a pic of the maker firing it. There was a jet of fire about 18 inches long coming out of the barrel.
willyjixx
October 23, 2003, 12:07 AM
scary but funny
i see alot of folks here have been overseas:D
BluesBear
October 23, 2003, 12:15 AM
geegee, Thompson 1927 is semi-auto only.
1921 & 1928 are the selective fire ones.
As are the WWII era M1 & M1A1 models.
Phantom Warrior
October 23, 2003, 12:15 AM
Dorian-
The German guy (Weber, I think) used a Walther WA2000. That's the funny looking bullpup .300 Win. Mag. Homer Johnson (sp?) used a custom 7mm, never specified further.
And as long as I'm posting...
LeonCarr-
I hate to be a know it all (but I'm doing it anyway, so I must not hate it that much), but I think your sig line is backwards. As I recall, the quote was "Lose that nickel-plated sissy pistol and get yourself a Glock." EITHER WAY, it is an excellent quote.
tex_n_cal
October 23, 2003, 02:02 AM
Both of these...
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=29071
The rifle is a .500-450#1 Blackpowder Express circa 1890. So far it's managed a 4" group at yards. It ain't ready to hunt, yet, but a 300 grain bullet at 1900 fps is nothing to sneeze at:)
swingset
October 23, 2003, 03:16 AM
I have a friend with an experimental Enfield L39 target rifle, made for Bisley competition. Shoots dime sized groups at 100 yards, what a joy to shoot, very very rare. That's my neatest shoot.
Also shot a 13mm Mauser anti-tank gun (WWI vintage). I actuallly owned that one, only shot it a couple times. Big BOOM. :D
45King
October 23, 2003, 06:23 AM
Hmmmm.......
First generation .44 AutoMag (with actual FACTORY ammo)
1874 (?) Springfield Trapdoor
AWC Amphibian (surpressed Ruger .22)
Mk 23 SOCOM (suppressed)
Surpressed AR
Bigjake
October 23, 2003, 07:12 AM
Phantom Warrior
one thing i remembered about johnson's 7mm was that it was a semi-auto. anybody make a 7mm semi ??
JOE MACK
October 23, 2003, 07:30 AM
:D One of the prototype Red Labels from Ruger that belonged to Tom Ruger. When I learned what it actually was, I almost dropped the darned thing.
Sean Smith
October 23, 2003, 07:34 AM
Probably an M68 105mm tank cannon. :evil:
Fed168
October 23, 2003, 07:40 AM
A 1921 overstamp Thompson, with the L drum.
Various MP-5s, in 9 and 10.
G-36.
Suppressed P-22.
Taking my cake, an Encore chambered in .500 A Square. Never, ever again will I do that to myself.
DWS1117
October 23, 2003, 12:07 PM
MP-5SD. Lots of fun. High drool factor.
Glock 18. Only controlable in short bursts. Lots of lights broken and holes on ceiling of indoor range. Several put there buy the sore/range owner.:D
BAR. THUMP-THUMP-THUMP...DON'T DROOL ON THE RIFLE!
.50 I think it is an M-2. OOOOOOOOOO Yeah!
M-3 grease gun.
Don't know about rare or unusual but very high on the cool factor.
http://www.hunt101.com/img/050862.jpg
http://www.hunt101.com/img/050854.JPG
http://www.hunt101.com/img/050987.jpg
RepublicanMan
October 23, 2003, 01:30 PM
MK 19 40mm automatic grenade launcher
60mm mortar (manual fire instead of drop fire)
81mm mortar
Used the MK 19 to put out the range fires we kept starting with the 60s and 81s since we were firing HE and WP "danger close" out at Donna-Anna range near FT Bliss while on JTF-6.
Man was that a blast (literally)
Big_R
October 23, 2003, 01:40 PM
I'm feeling a bit outgunned here, but I shot an HK91 and HK93 on the same day just for lending a couple guys some targets at the range. They had forgotten theirs. They let me pop some rounds as thanks. I think the recoil from the HK93 was worse than the '91.
Ryan
Travis McGee
October 23, 2003, 01:43 PM
Hmmm... let's see. Back when Uncle Sam let me play with his toys I shot .50 cal M2s, belt fed 5.56 Stoners, and a Danish 7.62NATO modern copy of the German MG-42.
That modern MG-42 was so robust, they demo'd it by burying a couple hundred rounds of belt in the dirt and rocks, and then shot it through. Then they had somebody stand on the belt, and the MG dragged itself across the ground during firing. Pretty cool.
Matt
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OEF_VET
October 23, 2003, 02:32 PM
let's see,
Ma Deuce
M249 SAW
M60 GPMG
60mm mortar, The truly cool part about it was I was in Kosovo, firing towards the Serbian border.
M16A1's and A2's
M-4's
M-203's
German Commission Model of 1888, rechambered in .308
M136 (AT4) anti-tank rocket
igor
October 23, 2003, 03:58 PM
AT4
APILAS
95mm recoilless
TOW2 (ok, I wasn't the one guiding when we got the few live shots)
Jatimatic
wingnutx
October 23, 2003, 06:12 PM
Not necessarily that rare, but a MK-43 machinegun is pretty damn cool.
Jim K
October 23, 2003, 06:32 PM
U.S. Pistol, Caliber .30, Model of 1918, aka the Pedersen Device.
It was supposed to be used in marching fire to "make the enemy keep his head down". It was like shooting .22 LR from a big heavy rifle. Little recoil, little noise. If they had been used in combat, the enemy would never have known he was being shot at, and would have just mowed the Americans down. An odd thing is that the little slide like part runs back and forth right in front of the eye; a bit disconcerting.
Jim
444
October 23, 2003, 09:43 PM
Twin full auto 40 mm cannons on an M42 Duster
I have an AR15 upper in .458 Socom; who here has fired that one ?
Fired beer cans filled with concrete out of a blackpowder cannon.
I have fired both the 5.56 and 7.62 Galil; you don't see those every day (at least in the US)
A Thompson SMG chambered in .22 LR
A military M14 sniper rifle with the autoranging scope.
BTR
October 29, 2003, 03:45 PM
HK MP5 PDW, rented.
Jeff OTMG
October 29, 2003, 08:31 PM
H&K MP5
H&K MP5 PDW with suppressor
1928 Thompson
M79 40mm grenade launcher
SDC
October 29, 2003, 08:47 PM
There have been more than a few, but some of the ones that stand out for me are:
FN P90 and FiveSeven
M203 grenade launcher
Powell Knife Pistol
full-auto G23
full-auto AUG
Liberator
MG34 and MG42
Carl Gustaf anti-tank launcher
and Ma Deuce :D (if you get tired of shooting .50, check your pulse)
Detritus
October 30, 2003, 10:29 AM
Full Auto Bromhandle, made in Guernica Spain (the place the germans bombed on market day)
1badmagnum
October 30, 2003, 10:33 AM
:cool:
shermacman
October 30, 2003, 10:42 AM
The first firearm I ever fired was the coolest. Of course I built it. When I was a kid tennis balls came in metal tubes. Cut the tops and bottoms off of two of them, cut the top off of the bottom one. Duct tape them together to form a three foot tall mortar. Poke a hole in the bottom tube, squirt charcoal lighter, drop in tennis ball, light match...Whump! The tennis ball would emerge in flames and soar up to what looked like a mile high. I have never had as much fun with anything since! Well, actually there was a propane fired potato gun I built. And there was a girl friend who, well, nevermind.:evil:
Joe Demko
October 30, 2003, 10:50 AM
The caseless ammo .22 that Daisy briefly manufactured. Obscure, rather than all that cool. It was like shooting a pellet gun.
williamcrane
October 30, 2003, 02:51 PM
Stoner 63A
M3
Swedish K
S&W Model 39 with silencer
All in Vietnam
Nightcrawler
October 30, 2003, 02:59 PM
UMP45 was pretty cool. M249 SAW is pretty cool. M60 was pretty cool, but rattles you like mad. AT-4 rocket launcher with 9mm (Parabellum) tracer round was...well, weird.
Hank Zudd
October 30, 2003, 03:04 PM
155mm sp howitzer, priority fire mission, 3 rounds in 45 seconds,,, and M60D huey doorgun under NVG's. thanks for paying your taxes to fund my fun!
Ivanimal
October 30, 2003, 03:54 PM
I rented an MP5 once tyhat was too cool, fully auto, what a rush.
The funnest gun I own is the 5mm Remington Magnum, squirrels shutter at the mention of its name.
Johnny Guest
October 30, 2003, 05:59 PM
Thousands of soldiers and sailors have shot kazillions of rounds in weapons which I consider really far out, I know - - -
M2 cal .50 HMG
MG42
M60
Jeff Cooper's "Baby," in .460 G&A
Sterling SMG
LAW subcaliber device
MP5SD
CAR16, with .22 LR conversion and a suppressor
Bigjake - - A lot of Johnson (semi)auto rifles were made in 7x57 mm Mauser caliber, as were the FN49. You can go WAY back to same cartridge in the Mexican Mondragon autoloading rifle. IIRC, the assassins of Doroteo Arrango, aka Pancho Villa, were armed with the latter.
Best,
Johnny
Matt G
October 30, 2003, 07:12 PM
1928 Thompson, when I could finally let myself just hold the trigger down to kill the whole 50 rd mag.
M-60 MG with tracers across a wide canyon at twilight.
American 180 (.22 LR full-auto SMG), when it actually functioned.
Bullpup .50 sniper rifle.
.300 Whisper sniper rifle, shooting subsonic 220g loads at 150 yards. "Pop... plunk." :)
1870's era .41 rimfire Colt derringer (Okay, just kind of obscure)
MP-5 suppressed (surprisingly accurate, nice to leave the muffs off)
The OLD Schutzen-style .22 single-shot iron-sighted target rifle of one of our moderators, with which I shot a hundred yard 1" group, standing on his porch. (Okay, I'm not typically that good. That's why I loved that experience.)
Topgun
October 30, 2003, 07:23 PM
Only we called it a "Norwegian Goose Gun" with tennis balls. Had a hangfire that dented the stucco on the house after setting it down with the fluid still cooking unnoticed in the chamber.
But..........for a REAL....firearm, I would have to say.
Remington double derringer .41 Rimfire. Shot a rotted fencepost and then walked over to it and pulled the bullet out of the rotted wood where the base was still sticking out. Still have the fired round with the bullet put back in the case.
Needless to say, I never again believed the TV shows where the guy was knocked off his barstool/horse/wagon by a derringer totin gunman.
:)
Harold Mayo
October 30, 2003, 08:57 PM
Didn't fire it but got to hold a double rifle that was valued at about $125K. I would LOVE to say that I fired it, though...:D
Billll
October 30, 2003, 09:17 PM
An excellent replica 14th century pike gun chambered in billiard ball. 6 feet long, no sights, and no lock. I suppose if you're firing into a charging mass of 10,000 bloodthirsty Huns, accuraccy is a luxury.
Kobun
October 30, 2003, 09:21 PM
Defining rare is kind of hard, and depends on where you live I guess.
Bren gun, HK 51, SIG 552, Neostead...
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=355500
Probably more that would be rare in the US, but common here.
Hand_Rifle_Guy
October 30, 2003, 10:14 PM
Rarest? Gotta be The Monster, my ADC 8" -barrel double derringer chambered in 7.62 x 39. I had to custom-order it, ADC had to get a reamer to chamber it, and they informed me that NO-ONE else had ever ordered a gun like it.
It's the only one on the planet, and it's MINE. (Like anyone else would want the silly thing...:p)
Rarest/coolest is probably the Shansei Arsenal .45 ACP Broomhandle Mauser. Mine's #19xx of about 8500 total produced in the early 30's. Obscure by virtue of caliber, as everyone's heard of Broomhandles.
Gotta pair of Colt Lightning rifles from 1884 and '91, these are pretty rare, and mighty obscure.
A pretty obscure 9mm is the blowback-action Astra 600. Cool appearance, too, although most folks would call it 'fugly'.
Not particularly rare, but fairly obscure and over-the-top in coolness is my pair of Remington M-81 autoloading rifles. They just look really cool, very "artillerish", to coin a word. Cool design, too, a long-recoil action from John Browning's fertile brain.
Obscure to the point of ridiculous: a 1912 Steyr-Hahn auto pistol from the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Loads with stripper clips, no less.
Plenty rare and very cool is the Automag V, a factory-ported stainless longslide auto pistol from AMT. The lightest of the .50 A.E.-pistols, I have seen 2, ever, in 8-9 years of doing this gun collecting thing. I bought the first one.
crawfordew
October 30, 2003, 10:26 PM
Ithaca Auto & Burgler Gun. 20 ga., 10" barrels.
Gene:D
Detritus
October 30, 2003, 10:35 PM
the Mexican Mondragon autoloading rifle. IIRC, the assassins of Doroteo Arrango, aka Pancho Villa, were armed with the latter.
Possible but VERY unlikely, only 400 ever reached Mexico, in 1911. whereupon the reservations of the SIG productyion engineers were borne out and the concept of giving a HIGHLY ammo sensitive, rifle that ONLY worked reliably when freshly cleaned (this thing would make a M-16 look like Mikey from the LIFE ceral commercial), to an army operating in conditions and with the training, prevalent in mexico at that time, was seen as NOT a good idea.
after that first small batch mexico canceled their order with SIG and stayed with mausers.
the remaining 3,000 examples were bought by Germany and her allies at or near the begining of hostilities of WW1. where it was used as an "air observer's carbine" and cussed and maligned soundly (two per plane were carried b/c teh first WOULD jam at some point)
if the Men who killed Villa DID use (or simply carry) mondragons on that "errand" i would love to see evidence, esp if there is phot evidence, of it b/c it would be the first incident of it's actual USE in mexico that i've ever heard of (albeit i'm absolutely NOT an expert) and it would just absolutely be "cool" that, that gun was used to preform that task
Edited to add this note..... i am not saying that those men did not have mondragons, just that in light of the guns history i find the likelihood toi be low, but would of course LOVE to see more info one way or the other.
Preacherman
October 30, 2003, 11:01 PM
I've taken this from a post I made in this thread (http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=145032) on The Firing Line (recommended reading, BTW - same subject as this thread):My "coolest" (and most painful!) shooting experience was with a 4-bore muzzle-loading flint-lock elephant gun! This thing was made sometime in the middle third of the 19th century, IIRC. The soft lead ball weighed a full 4 ounces, and was powered by a powder charge measured in drachms rather than grains! The idiot - er, sorry, venerable old gentleman - who owns this beast offered me the chance to shoot it, and like a fool I accepted! He loaded it up, sat down in his rocker on the porch, and asked me to stand next to an oak tree in his front garden and fire at a target he had set up on a tree stump about 30 yards away. Unfortunately, I didn't look behind me before firing... next thing I remember was going base-over-tip into his cactus garden, to the sound of his triumphant cackling from the porch!
After digging myself out of the cactus garden (and digging the thorns out of my backside and sundry other portions of anatomy), I did some calculation of the recoil impulse of this beast (all the while rubbing my very sore shoulder, which still recalls the impact in rainy weather!). Turns out the recoil momentum is something over 220 foot-pounds, or somewhere between 7 and 8 times that of a typical .30-06! I've fired .577 and .600 Nitro Express rifles since then, but nothing has ever come close to that kick!
(If any of you ever plan to go hunting in South Africa, and will find yourselves in the vicinity of the town of George in the southern Cape, please contact me before you leave - I'll give you a letter of introduction to the owner of the beast, and invite you to have a go with it. He needs his light entertainment, after all!)
Sarge
October 30, 2003, 11:22 PM
late 20's production- with 50 round drums & stick mags.
This one had the good (Lyman?) sights and was surprisingly accurate out to 200 yards or so with the sight properly adjusted. Not minute of angle, mind you, but a man exposing his head and shoulders at that distance would have been deep in the hurt locker.
Close second to the Uzi- still the best 9mm SMG going for my money.
280PLUS
October 30, 2003, 11:32 PM
one shot,,,got the 8 ring at 200 yds first and last time shooting it,,,
something like $2.50 a round?:what:
BluesBear
October 30, 2003, 11:51 PM
Hand_Rifle_Guy
How do you like your .45 Broomhandle? I have toyed with the idea of getting one for plinking. Are they good shooters?
Amegatek
October 31, 2003, 02:39 AM
Don't know if they are very rare (my buddy owns 2) but they are definitely cool. My buddy brought one along on a recent range trip. It was a Colt Army Special. Excellent trigger action, considering when it was made, and the Colt Fire-Blued finish was awesome! :D Definitely a cool gun.
Johnny Guest
October 31, 2003, 09:03 AM
I do not contest anything you say in your post, sir - - Indeed, I am in agreement with your observations as to the rarity of this rifle, esp. in Mexico - - Though I didn't have the production and shipping figures you mention. Thank you.
That was one of those odd bits of information one picks up during a life of voracious reading, especially about firearms and armed conflict. I am desperately wracking my memory, trying to come up with the source of that tidbit. I fear you've now assigned me yet another research project. I've already run the index of Phillip Sharpe's The Rifle in America while I should have been getting ready to go to the office.
I grew up in El Paso, and I may have gotten this during a conversation with one of the old timers sitting around San Jacinto Plaza on a weekend afternoon. (Anyone else remember the big alligator pond there?) The danger there is that some ancient gun crank might have been running a windy at an enthusiastic high school kid . . . .
I BELIEVE, though, that I read it somewhere. I have an image in my mind of a photograph of a huge old open car, pretty well shot up, and a fair amount of text mentioning something about the "unusual" weapon(s?) used by the assassins. Oh, well, the internet is a rich and broad key to all kindsa obscure information.
;)
Best,
Johnny
Johnny Guest
October 31, 2003, 12:27 PM
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
(With apologies to jsalcdedo for this thread veer. Jesse, I can't consider it thread highjacking, because I'd truly like to be able to say I've fired one of these rifles . . . . :p )
Detritus - - -
My Google search turned up this reference:
http://guns.connect.fi/gow/QA18.html
From Gunwriters On The Web, a Finnish board, with better-than-average translations into English. ‘Way down at the bottom of the page, there’s an item entitled, “IT MAY BE A MONDRAGON RIFLE!” A lot of information here, and a pretty good drawing of the rifle action.
The text includes much of the same info you gave about production figures of the 1908 model and the 400 sent to Mexico. There is a biographical sketch of the inventor, with a photograph. General Manuel Mondragon; a pioneer of firepower. Born in 1855. Deceased in 1922. One year later deceased another Mexican "general", Doroteo Arango, better known as "Pancho Villa". He was slain by a hailstorm of 7 mm bullets, shot from Mondragon rifles Model 1908. "The revolution shall always eat it's own children - sooner or later". It is unknown to me, whether general Mondragon returned from Europe to Mexico before his death. While "Pancho Villa" is well-known all'round the World by books and movies, Manuel Mondragon is almost forgotten. Just we, the "hard core" of firearms experts, know him and his innovations. I am glad to have verification that I wasn’t imagining the Villa/Mondragon connection. There are many pages of Villa references in Google and I don’t have time to check the rest.
Other odds & ends of data - -
The ambush took place in July 1923 in Parral. Villa and several others were in a Dodge touring car, returing to Villa's hacienda after spending the night in the city. It is said there were seven or eight shoters, firing from an upper floor of a building on the route.
Best,
Johnny
Detritus
October 31, 2003, 12:53 PM
well, that's neat!
that's ALMOST akin to something like if say Kenedy had been shot with a .270 Pederson chambered Garand.
well now i know it got at least SOME use in Mexico.
thanks :)
Matt G
October 31, 2003, 12:59 PM
Um, Mr. Guest, could you please disable the Thread Hijack Alarm before taking these wild veers? Some of us are trying to get some sleep. ;)
[Yeah, that is pretty cool, BTW, and certainly does reset the bar on that gun's relative obscurity.]
foghornl
October 31, 2003, 03:07 PM
questions that make ya go "hmmmmmmm"
That Daisy .22 rifle with caseless ammo...think it was called the "VL"
Probably not so rare, but a buddy's lever action Winny in .32-20
Colt revo of some flavor in .32 Police Positive (or something like that)
"Broom Handle Mauser"
Remmy model 81 rifle. Not really rare, but a bit unusual.
Never fired it, but looked at one another Deputy took from a guy...SxS 12Ga, with barrels cut off so short that the loaded shells were almost flush with end of gun. About a 4" barrel shotty.
Dr.Rob
October 31, 2003, 03:12 PM
BAR
hoooooo-yahhhhhh!
Probably the sigle most fun full auto I've ever played with.
Strange/unusual guns:
Steyr GB 9mm (jammed a lot)
Luger (just watching it work is a sight)
Old Remington Rolling Block Buffalo Rifle with brass Tube scope. (I was a kid at the time, no idea what cailber but I'd guess 50-90 or some such thing.. BOOM.)
RocketMan
October 31, 2003, 03:17 PM
M16A1
1911A1
M14
M203
M202
LAAW
Ma Deuce
81mm mortar
All at the behest of Uncle Sam.
M1 Garand
M1 Carbine
My own little toys.
TexasVet
November 1, 2003, 12:12 AM
Virtually all of the oddball 1870s-80s single shot military rifles, in a decade long fit of collecting. The Werder Lightning, Werndl, Russian Berdans (I & II), Japanese Murata, French Tabatiere, etc.
Spieler
November 1, 2003, 06:52 AM
Walther MPK
Trebor
November 1, 2003, 07:19 AM
that's ALMOST akin to something like if say Kenedy had been shot with a .270 Pederson chambered Garand.
You mean, he wasn't?
dustind
November 1, 2003, 12:39 PM
I built a paintball gun, an autococker that ended up costing over $3000 and is still not done, it has a few things no other paintball gun has, other than that it would be an 870 wingmaster... :uhoh:
Doug S
November 1, 2003, 01:22 PM
When my father passed away a number of years (prior to my becoming interested in firearms) I was surprised to find out that he had a gun collection stored in the attic. My two older brothers (who are considerably older than me) knew about the collection & everything else that my father ever bought & had in his possession :confused: . A day after his death they were busy going through the safe, attic, etc. Oops I'm starting to rant:rolleyes: . To make a long story short, the collection was largely WWII era & among others contained, a Walther P-38, a 1911 (can't remember the make), dueling pistols, old Savage auto, Damascus barreled & engraved shotgun, and more that I can't remember. THe collection also had a large number of WWII military knives of German, Japanese, & American origin. After playing around with some of the items and test firing the collection was divided & sold. Looking back I regret this, but as I said I wasn't into guns at the time & being that I didn't even know about the collection they had no sentimental value.
Johnny Guest
November 1, 2003, 04:33 PM
Trebor :------------------------------------------------------------------------
that's ALMOST akin to something like if say Kenedy had been shot with a .270 Pederson chambered Garand.
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You mean, he wasn't?No, sorry - - The really informed conjecture is that Oswald (working alone, naturally) used the far-more-common .276 Garand. The .270P is even more scarce than the Mondragon in 5.2 x 68 mm Rubin. (Yeah, really - - - there WAS a five point two.) )Late edit to correct the caliber)
;)
Johnny
PS: for on-topicality, I'd REALLY like to shoot a .276, too. :D
KPersimmon
November 9, 2003, 06:17 AM
1. Bren Ten Marksman (.45 ACP)--Nice shooter! Too bad the company flopped. I believe that something on the order of a .45 Caliber "Special Forces" would be my favorite autoloading handgun.
2. Marlin 1894 in .41 Magnum (early 90's)--Shot well, but the action seemed a little stiff & sticky to me.
3. Colt Army Special in .41 Long Colt--Fun to shoot! I owned this gun when Winchester was still putting out occasional lots of ammo. (Or else I was shooting old ammo.) At any rate, I would have vastly preferred this caliber, as a revolver cartridge, to the .38 Special.
4. Tanfoglio/EAA in .41 AE--Jammed all the freakin' time!
MaterDei
November 9, 2003, 06:41 AM
I'm not sure whether I'm cheating or not. This certainly is not a 'gun'. :Dhttp://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=593515
Sven
November 9, 2003, 06:45 AM
You fired THAT?!
Woah.
MaterDei
November 9, 2003, 07:17 AM
That is not a picture of one of the ones I fired, I found the picture on the Internet. But, yes, I actually fired two. I was a Lance missile firing platoon leader when I was stationed in Germany. We fired them in Crete actually. Actually we fired them FROM Crete, into the Med. Heh.
If I had to pick a gun it would be an Australian F88 (Steyr Aug). Most unusual thing about shooting it was that I shot it off of the back of an Australian LST (Landing Ship, Tank) naval vessel off the coast of Queensland. The weapon itself is quite common.http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=593527
SoCalGeek
November 9, 2003, 11:13 AM
Well, i'm fairly new into shooting and i live in california so most of the guns i've shot are pretty common, but let me think... Walther P88C, which i suppose isn't that rare except for that they're bloody expensive, and an AR-15 which was quite a treat considering my location.
azthistletoe
November 9, 2003, 12:13 PM
Rarest I have shot - which aren't really that rare, I suppose - are a Steyr GB (worked great) and a Mas 49. (Not 49/56)
Abominable No-Man
November 9, 2003, 04:37 PM
I shot a Ruger AC556 once- pretty cool.
Honest-to-God MAC 10- LOTSA fun!
M2 50 cal MG- "ma Deuce"
M203 grenade launcher
Overall I'd have to say the AC556 was the most cool- besides I love the "A-Team", always wanted one.
ANM
rayjay
November 9, 2003, 08:02 PM
50 cal. Barnett Sniper rifle w/ 10 shot mags and a 6-24x55 Springfeild scope. Liked it so much I bought one a few weeks later. Shooting that weapon is FAAAANTASIC!
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