Federal's new PD ammo


October 22, 2003, 07:24 PM
Guess many of you may have already seen this ...... in the new ''Handguns'' mag perhaps. For those who haven't .. here's a look.

Doesn't scan that well from a mag but, haven't over compressed the image too much so as to keep some text readable.

I like the looks of this stuff ...... first test I remember seeing ....


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Jim March
October 22, 2003, 10:48 PM
Ah. I see Federal is back to their old "oh, let's wimp out on the powder charge" tricks.


Dunno if Cor-Bon is shipping the Pow'R'Ball in 9mm yet. I know it's in development. The 45ACP is out; it's FAR faster, over 100fps with the same weight and the projectile design is better.

Betcha anything the Cor-Bon will get more velocity in a 3.5" barrel than those "personal defense" rounds will get in a 5".

October 22, 2003, 11:03 PM
Jim .... I have been lookin out for the Pow'R'Ball .... as yet haven't found anyone stocking that.:(

October 22, 2003, 11:14 PM
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October 22, 2003, 11:16 PM
I like these


October 22, 2003, 11:29 PM
Well interesting Firefighter ........ damn! How to choose the ''definitive'' round?!!

Tango Sierra
October 22, 2003, 11:56 PM
AmmoLab's tests on Federal EFMJ are here> http://ammolab.com/federal_efmj.htm

October 23, 2003, 12:04 AM
I am not impressed with EFMJ rounds. corbon stuff is always bit on the hot side. btw you can buy corbon ammo from theyre website

Cor-Bon (http://www.corbon.com)

October 23, 2003, 12:14 AM
I can't believe they're totally discontinuing the Hydra-shok for this. To stop production on a brand that has been a distinguishing sales point for Federal Ammo, it's a bad business move.

Check out those bullet weights. 105gr. 9mm and 165 gr. .45?

I won't be an early adopter on this one.

October 23, 2003, 12:39 AM
I have reservations about this whole new direction. Granted, I didn't use the HS like a lot of folks , I liked and still like the Federal Classic 9BP and 45D.
I'm slow to change , I miss the "flying ashtrays", of yore .

Tango Sierra
October 23, 2003, 12:51 AM
I just noticed the weights in AmmoLab tests are for different weight rounds then in the opening post of this thread.

October 23, 2003, 12:59 AM
The Federal Law Enforcement ammo has different bullet weights than their Personal Defense ammo.

Both are available to the public.

October 23, 2003, 02:11 AM
Firefighter, that looks like some kick@$$ ammo. I could grow prize-winning potatoes in that wound cavity.:eek:

October 23, 2003, 02:43 AM
I guess all y'all missed all of the other threads about this such as this one (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42560) ?

By the way;

9mm Personal Defense load is 105gr @ 1290 fps
9mm Law Enforcement load is 124gr @ 1173 fps

.40 Law Enforcement load is 165 @ 1056

.45 Personal Defense load is 165gr @ 1085 fps
.45 Law Enforcement load is 200gr @ 1001 fps

All fired from Glocks

October 23, 2003, 03:50 AM
9MM POW'R'BALL IS HERE (http://www.corbon.com/catalog/index.php?file=catalog&uid=12665&action=catalog_productinfo&prod_pcategory=49362&pi_id=49391&clist=0,49352,49362&uid=12665)


October 23, 2003, 07:19 AM
flying ashtrays are still available..look at Cor Bon's .45 ACP 200 grainer and tell me it isn't the flying ashtray of yore :D

October 23, 2003, 05:57 PM
"Flying ashtrays" are still available from CCI.

They're just loaded in the Blazer cases is the only difference.

Catalogue number is #3568

Dave T
October 23, 2003, 06:29 PM
If I remember correctly the results of the FBI research after the Miami mess was a minimum of 12-14" of penetration. These two load show penetration in the 8-9" range. This sound seriously inadequate. Why is everybody so excited about this stuff???

October 23, 2003, 09:08 PM
The .45 200gr +P load is pretty warm. I fired 100 rounds the other day and my hand knew it after I was done. They are for sure hotter than 230gr Hydra Shoks. They have a similar profile to the Hydra Shok's but dont feed as well in unthroated guns, or at least mine. I had 2-3 FTF's per mag in my stock Series 70 Colt. The same gun will shoot the Hydra Shok's without trouble. They fed fine in my throated Commander and shot well. Ammoman has the 200gr +P load.


October 23, 2003, 09:48 PM
I don't get it, it looks like the only real difference is that Federal is packaging their EFMJs in 20-rd plastic boxes instead of their existing EFMJs in 50-rd paper boxes so to confuse/exite magic-bullet users? :confused:

So this means that I've been using Impersonal Defense ammo all my life? -didn't know I had been soooo wrong!

October 23, 2003, 10:09 PM
You know, the shallow penetration could simply be a function of greater expansion. When you shoot a .45 EFMJ, you're not shooting a .45...you're really shooting (potentially) a .65-.75. You just can't expect to get the same penetration as other types of rounds.

The question is...is this a bad thing?

October 24, 2003, 08:33 AM
Their PD EFMJ is definitely not as hot as their "LE" offerings. Although expansion is similar total penetration is much less. Taken directly from the article in question:
.45 LE 200gr +P (Vel= 1001) .45 PD 165gr (Vel= 1085)

Bare Geletin: 14.5" 10.0"
Hvy Clothing: 17" 10.0"
Wall: 15" 10.5"
Plywood: 16.5" 12"

IMHO the PD loading was designed for civilian/urban use where overpenetration is a concern w/o giving up expansion. I'll stick to the 200gr+P for my own use...

Kentucky Rifle
October 24, 2003, 10:08 AM
PD EFMJ's come in .38 Special now? I'll call Tilford's and see if they have any. I'm willing to give it a try.


October 25, 2003, 02:05 AM
Kentucky Rifle

I see no listing for any .38spl EFMJ from Federal.
They do make the Hydra-Shok in .38spl 110gr.

October 25, 2003, 02:08 AM
I see no listing for any .38spl EFMJ from Federal That was puzzling me too .. currently I have .38spl, 9mm and .45acp .......... all covered thru Hydra-Shoks ...

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