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breandan81
July 8, 2009, 09:12 PM
I recently bought a p22 for various reasons. One is of course that it looks cool, another is that it's fun easy and cheap to practice with, but also for my zombie/hyperinflation/2012/aliens/nazinewworldorder scenario I have the following logic: it's easy and cheap to hide many thousands of rounds of 22 lr around the house, also easy to transport at least a few thousand on foot. This makes it an ideal round for a world with complete gun bans. It's hard to trace due to there just being so many out there. it's suitable for small game hunting, I have a rifle that uses the same round, and in a pinch it's better than nothing against two legged foe. Any thoughts about the suitability of .22 lr weapons to augment ones collection?

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Birdmang
July 8, 2009, 09:30 PM
They are fun to shoot and cheap.


"zombie/hyperinflation/2012/aliens/nazinewworldorder" -great reason to have one, but they are just fun and cheap.

Snowdog
July 8, 2009, 10:32 PM
nazinewworldorder

Oh, I wasn't expecting that issue! Looks like I'll have to find something to keep them Panzers out of my vegetable garden.

zootsuit002
July 8, 2009, 11:20 PM
I also favor the 22lr for the zombie/hyperinflation/2012/aliens/nazinewworldorder scenario for several reasons: Properly placed the 22lr will kill a man (or even lots of large game) just as dead as a .50 BMG or a .45 1911, it is far easier to carry and conceal, silenced easily, cheap / loads of fun and last but not least almost everyone has one or more of them. This last is perhaps more important than you realize. Given the hyper inflation part of the apocolypse scenario if the dollor loses all value and we revert back to a barter system a couple of rounds of .50 do you no good unless the guy you are trading with has a .50 or you are trading yours where as almost everyone has a 22lr thus the new currancy is born long live the 22lr.

Tim the student
July 9, 2009, 01:10 AM
Uh, yeah. What he said.

chris in va
July 9, 2009, 01:36 AM
it's easy and cheap to hide many thousands of rounds of 22 lr

And ah...where are you finding thousands of rounds of 22?

Birdmang
July 9, 2009, 01:41 AM
In the zombie/hyperinflation/2012/aliens/nazinewworldorder bunker, of course!

doc2rn
July 9, 2009, 02:29 AM
And ah...where are you finding thousands of rounds of 22?

Chris some of us actually bought ammo b4 it went up, I have a little over 200,000 in .22lr
But I shoot it the most so I have more of it. I would barter a 550 box for some .380 ACP about now!

Regular Joe
July 9, 2009, 06:57 AM
I have some .22 carbines, and some ammo. I have a well formed clue about how to use them. In a really bad situation, I can get anything I need with them. An AK or AR. The majority of material junk is owned by people who are utterly stupid, regarding how vulnerable they are to those tiny little bullets. The problem is that I don't want to live in a world where I have to kill other people just to live for a little while longer. If it comes to that, I hope it's over fairly soon. Meanwhile, the .22 lr will get you anything you need.

searcher451
July 9, 2009, 10:41 AM
The P22 is picky about the ammo it likes to eat. Mini-mags and Stingers seem to work universally well. The others, including bulk packs, not so much: Some folks report decent results, others report FTEs and FTFs. I guess it depends on your luck of the draw.

Good luck on finding .22 ammo of any stripe. I haven't seen any in my neck of the woods for five months now and counting.

You have to wonder if Nazis and Zombies like to eat .22s?

Justin
July 9, 2009, 12:13 PM
I have some .22 carbines, and some ammo. I have a well formed clue about how to use them. In a really bad situation, I can get anything I need with them. An AK or AR. The majority of material junk is owned by people who are utterly stupid, regarding how vulnerable they are to those tiny little bullets. The problem is that I don't want to live in a world where I have to kill other people just to live for a little while longer. If it comes to that, I hope it's over fairly soon. Meanwhile, the .22 lr will get you anything you need.

Indeed. And, as we all know, the best method for transporting your liberated booty is via tactical wheelbarrow.

breandan81
July 9, 2009, 04:29 PM
The P22 is picky about the ammo it likes to eat. Mini-mags and Stingers seem to work universally well. The others, including bulk packs, not so much: Some folks report decent results, others report FTEs and FTFs. I guess it depends on your luck of the draw.

Good luck on finding .22 ammo of any stripe. I haven't seen any in my neck of the woods for five months now and counting.

You have to wonder if Nazis and Zombies like to eat .22s?


Actually I bought some 550 round bulk packs the other day, the local academy had a bunch of them in, I also have a couple of boxes of stingers I never shot out. Good point on the gun being picky though, I actually had relatively few problems with the Remington bulk pack stuff but out of a few hundred rounds I did have a couple FTFs, with some other bulk pack stuff lying around there were consistent FTEs. What's a .22 autoloader that is less picky? or would I have to resort to a .22 revolver?

expvideo
July 10, 2009, 06:25 PM
It concerns me a lot that the difficult "traceability" is a selling point for you. What possible benefit is that to you? Pardon my skepticism, but what you said there was shady as all hell, especially for the high road. I'd really like to hear a good reason why that made your list of positives.

BTW, A benefit you didn't list is that 22lr is extremely suppressable.

breandan81
July 10, 2009, 06:47 PM
I can see why that could come across that way, my reason for mentioning that aspect was fear of future draconian gun laws. With certain groups trying to institute ballistic fingerprinting databases, the ever returning idea that owners should be responsible for their firearms even when stolen or sold to a new owner, I just don't want things coming back to me if they happen. I have had firearms stolen in a burglary before, and I am sure they are probably not in responsible hands (being as burglars are by definition criminals). I assure you I have a concealed carry permit, no criminal record whatsoever, and no intention of changing that.

ArfinGreebly
July 10, 2009, 07:26 PM
I believe you'll find the Ruger MkII and MkIII a whole lot less "discriminating" about what they'll eat. Just clean them at reasonable intervals and all will be well.

Also the Browning Buckmark.

And the Colt Woodsman.

There is also a Beretta that's supposed to be good, but I have no exposure to that, so can't confirm.

CB900F
July 10, 2009, 07:37 PM
Fellas;

There are some of us who believe the wording of the second amendment means exactly what it says. Particularly note the word infringed and then spend some time thinking about the ramifications of that word. Because of that word, there is a school of thought that disallows the constitutionality of any gun law. The Sullivan Act, NFA, and GCA68 specifically included.

It is supposed that the meaning of the 2nd is to allow any U.S. Citizen to legally obtain and hold any firearm available to this country's military forces. Especially considering that when the bill of rights was first proposed the general citizenry was, for all practical purposes, the military.

I'd strongly suggest that the authors of the constitution and the bill of rights would regard any Federal firearms database to be unconstitutional. Although it's a pleasant fiction for some to believe that that isn't the case, a careful perusal of documents such as The Federalist Papers, indicates that it is.

Ergo, firearms transactions that remove current production firearms from the now existing Federal database should be regarded as being beneficial to the spirit of the second. True there are abuses, such as theft, that are not specifically beneficial to either the person or organization that they're stolen from, or to general law and order. But contemplate the idea that; better a hundred thieves go free than an innocent man be in prison, and the rationale becomes clearer. The founders very firmly believed in personal responsibility, including the concomitant responsibilities to both protect yourself and protect your firearms from being stolen.

Concerning oneself about a lack of traceability would seem to me to be buying into big brother's idea that it's perfectly OK for him to control the populace as he sees fit. The idea that this country was founded on was supposed to be that the populace controlled the government.

Houston, we have a dichotomy.

900F

DeepSouth
July 10, 2009, 07:37 PM
And ah...where are you finding thousands of rounds of 22?

My local Walmart, I have never seen less than 2,200 rounds in there.

Titan6
July 10, 2009, 07:44 PM
Those Mark "whatever" guns sound really old and not real reliable. How am I going to shoot the Nazi Zombies when they try to establish the NWO?

And didn't Colt go out of business for making bad guns? We aren't talking about the woods anyway we are talking about urban centers being overrun by the living dead bent on militaristic free trade so we don't need a "Woodsman".

outerlimit
July 10, 2009, 08:10 PM
This .22lr "as a currency" non-sense I always hear is about as rooted in reality as the average gun control public service announcement. I just want to shoot ONE caliber cheaply. Now we have people hoarding this crap in their basements too.

ArfinGreebly
July 10, 2009, 08:26 PM
Absolutely.

In fact, "Ruger" sounds like "Luger" and who wants to use a Nazi gun anyway.

In the interest of protecting everyone from falling into this appalling trap (owning a bad gun), I will offer my "bad gun disposal" service to anyone here who wants to avail himself of it.

Please PM me for the address of my local FFL, and I will take these awful pistols from you and dispose of them safely at no charge (other than shipping and transfer fee).

Thanks, Titan6, for helping me see the error of my ways.

ArfinGreebly
July 10, 2009, 08:27 PM
I deny it.

Now we have people hoarding this crap in their basements too.

There's none of that stuff in my basement.

Honestly.

I swear.

Dragracer_Art
July 11, 2009, 11:59 PM
P22's are alot more fun with suppressors and Remington subsonics. ;)

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc83/yullose/p22tac65.jpg

crazy-mp
July 12, 2009, 12:12 AM
You have to use sub sonic ammo with a .22 pistol???? I thought the barrel was short enough that it didn't build up enough pressure to get the round past sub sonic speeds.

Nice suppressor, I like the fact that it dwarfs the gun.

Dragracer_Art
July 12, 2009, 12:22 AM
I've shot all kinds of stuff through it and it all comes out subsonic... the pressure behind the std velocity and and hot CCI stingers DOES however add to the perceived noise.

The Remington subsonics are the most quiet I've shot and they cycle the gun every time. It sounds like a Daisy air rifle.

tkopp
July 12, 2009, 12:52 AM
Seattle is completely out of 22lr save for the occasional 50 round mini mag pack for $12. Some shops are reporting not seeing any new stock since January or February Cabelas got a shipment in shortly before I arrived. I joined the frenzy at the .22 shelf and snagged three federal 525 packs for $22 each, considered myself lucky. They also still had some .380, but I was feeling broke and didn't want to dip into gas money to practice with the gun I like to shoot least ;)

flrfh213
July 12, 2009, 12:56 AM
most ammo i run in mine cycling well...cci seems best but not the only dog to play with...

Carl Levitian
July 12, 2009, 07:42 AM
"I have some .22 carbines, and some ammo. I have a well formed clue about how to use them. In a really bad situation, I can get anything I need with them. An AK or AR. The majority of material junk is owned by people who are utterly stupid, regarding how vulnerable they are to those tiny little bullets. The problem is that I don't want to live in a world where I have to kill other people just to live for a little while longer. If it comes to that, I hope it's over fairly soon. Meanwhile, the .22 lr will get you anything you need."
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