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kanewpadle
July 10, 2009, 02:43 AM
For those that open carry I ask, why? And can I get some decent answers other than "because I can" or "it's legal here".

I admit that I don't know much about open carry. But I do have my opinion about it. I don't see any advantages to open carry. The only disadvantages I see is that everyone knows you have a gun. There is no element of surprise. And the gun could get snatched from your holster. My opinion has been formed by talking to several guys who open carry here where I live. Everyone of them did so because they could and it was legal. They liked it when someone gave them a dirty look. They got a laugh when someone called the police about them and they got rousted. I don't see the point. Us gun lovers have a hard enough time with folks like the Brady Bunch and other gun haters. So why make it worse? Why shove the issue down their throat and give them another reason to come after us? Those open carry guys that I talked to were trying to make up for some shortcoming somewhere else and it was obvious that they did so on purpose. Some of them were just too lazy to conceal or learn to conceal a gun let alone learn to draw from concealment.

I would appreciate your views on the subject but let's keep it civil. Just remember that this is just my opinion. I don't think it's right. If you disagree then tell me why. Maybe I'll learn something.

I asked this on another forum and the thread was locked in a matter of minutes. I guess they don't know how to behave.

I thank you for your input.

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happygeek
July 10, 2009, 02:49 AM
Good God, here we go again. I'm a pretty new member here, but this has to be the 6th or 7th CC vs OC thread I've seen since joining.

This is worse than the Mac vs PC threads on computer forums ...

Mags
July 10, 2009, 02:53 AM
I was thinking the same thing happygeek but kanewpadle is a pretty new member himself I think I'll just see how this one ends up.

Rockwell1
July 10, 2009, 03:42 AM
Troll post if I ever read one.

I think I'll just see how this one ends up.

It's gonna end up like all the rest of them. We're going to hear:

1. The police will harass you.
2. Your doing it to draw attention to yourself & piss off antis.
3. The bad guys will shoot you first/ take your gun (this will be stated with no corroborating evidence despite repeated requests for such)
4. All the antis will join the Brady Bunch and get laws banning open carry passed.

or those that open carry I ask, why? And can I get some decent answers other than "because I can" or "it's legal here".


How about I don't have to justify my decision to exercise an enumerated constitutional (State as well as Federal) right to you.

rmodel65
July 10, 2009, 03:43 AM
for one Open Carry technically cant be banned(yes i know some states do) and when the RTKBA is being referred to OC is the right, while a court considers CC something that can be denied.

traditionally an honest man would openly carry and a dishonest man would hide his weapon, also the act of OC puts the general public on alert that you are armed so they can avoid you if they choose to do so.

Pack
July 10, 2009, 04:19 AM
We're trying to get open carry here in South Carolina, for two reasons:

1) It's damn hot. Often for days on end. I live just outside Columbia, and the only thing between this place and Hell in July/August is a screen door.

2) We'd like to make sure that the law is written so as to confer the option, from one moment to the next, to carry concealed or open. Apparently, there have been and may still be places and instances in which the following problem arose: a) I decide, upon leaving my house in the morning, to carry concealed in accordance with the local laws, etc. b) during the course of the day, my jacket flaps up, shirt untucks, etc., and I am now potentially open carrying for a split second in violation of the (concealed) carry laws or - worse yet, even where open carry is allowed - "brandishing".

The permissive option to transition from open to concealed carry and back again at will would, I firmly believe, make the carrying of a firearm for personal defense both more common among the population at large and more accepted by the portion of the populaton that, as a rule, would likely never do so.

CajunBass
July 10, 2009, 08:35 AM
I'm too lazy to put on a cover garment. How's that?

zoom6zoom
July 10, 2009, 09:12 AM
The only disadvantages I see is that everyone knows you have a gun.
I don't consider this a disadvantage.

youngda9
July 10, 2009, 09:24 AM
It is discussed ad nauseum here....read until you're sick if it.

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum6/

HKUSP45C
July 10, 2009, 09:31 AM
Here's some light reading for your enjoyment. When you're done if you still have any questions on a specific facet of the open/concealed carry argument I'll be happy to answer them.

Nearly everyone on this board has chimed in on the subject and some very good philosophical debate has raged a time or two as well.

Happy reading:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=460544&highlight=Open+Carry
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=452816&highlight=open+carry
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=451724&highlight=open+carry
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=448276&highlight=open+carry
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=448202&highlight=open+carry
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=343109&highlight=open+carry
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=352417&highlight=open+carry
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=437612&highlight=open+carry
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=440067&highlight=open+carry
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=437698&highlight=open+carry
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=435624&highlight=open+carry
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=432976&highlight=open+carry
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=421841&highlight=open+carry
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=419979&highlight=open+carry

Beware some of those threads run 10s of pages.

runrabbitrun
July 10, 2009, 10:17 AM
Well open carry is good for the gun too.
Sometimes a gun needs to just get out and get some fresh air and socialize with other guns.
If they were dogs, I guess they'd sniff each others butts too. :evil:

Seriously, the Brady Bunch must be really losing ground.
Looking for any 'soft spot', trying to get support to draft more unconstitutional legislation.

As you Brady's can see. WE ARE fighting back.
Many have been complacent way too long.
But we WILL get some of this stuff over turned.

Another few 'sensible gun laws' posters stated (in another thread) that nothing can be done, it's just the way it is.
They follow blindly anything the .gov shoves down their throats. True sheeple IMO.
Those people are WRONG and NO... we are not all just sitting here bitching about it on forums as you assume.

Mod's you might as well lock this down and refer these nice gun grabbers to all the other threads on this subject. :rolleyes:

turbojohn41
July 10, 2009, 10:26 AM
I have no choice in my backwards state.

GojuBrian
July 10, 2009, 10:28 AM
Still trying to get OC in Arkansas. I'd OC all the time and I wouldn't waste my time justifying it to anyone. :neener:

GaSheepDog
July 10, 2009, 10:29 AM
If the OP was doing research - "have posted this on other forums", then would it not be easier to just SEARCH?? Oh wait, maybe he was just a lazy researcher. Well, that can't be because he went through the trouble of posting it on other forums. So what does that leave? TROLL.

General Geoff
July 10, 2009, 10:33 AM
or those that open carry I ask, why? And can I get some decent answers other than "because I can" or "it's legal here".

No need to worry about concealment; faster draw; can carry a full size sidearm much more easily; more professional appearence (tucked-in shirt); finally, I don't need a permit or license to carry openly on foot in Pennsylvania (outside of Philadelphia).


The only disadvantages I see is that everyone knows you have a gun.

I am not a ninja. I am not a slave, either. There is no shame in everyone knowing you are armed.

Yo Mama
July 10, 2009, 10:39 AM
Troll post if I ever read one.

Ha! Man, people on here are much quicker to resort to calling each other trolls than ever before. The OP was asking a question, and you insult them? Brand new here, and you want to run them off? I see nothing inflamitory in the message or question.

You owe the OP an appology.

If the OP was doing research - "have posted this on other forums", then would it not be easier to just SEARCH?? Oh wait, maybe he was just a lazy researcher. Well, that can't be because he went through the trouble of posting it on other forums. So what does that leave? TROLL.


Man oh man! Another appology needed. You have 33 posts here, and go around calling others names? Against the highroad IMO. Maybe they are new, and don't know how to search yet. Maybe in their mind it was a different circumstance. It isn't your job to moderate is it? Maybe you should watch the language.

dirt_j00
July 10, 2009, 11:10 AM
We should all hide our guns under pieces of cloth.

NavyLCDR
July 10, 2009, 12:17 PM
1. I would rather that a BG see my gun and know that I am a hardened target an move on to an easier target. I would rather deter a crime rather than defend myself against one. MOST, not all, but MOST BG's are looking to make a quick and easy few bucks with the least chance of getting caught. Choosing a target that they know is armed is not conducive to achieving that goal.

2. There have been one or two reported cases in the last few years where an OC'er was shot during a big crime being committed. There have been even fewer VERIFIED cases of an OC'er getting his gun stolen. The vast majority of cases where an OC'er gets his gun taken by a BG is because the OC'er was doing something shady themselves. We don't know how many times your ordinary BG sees a gun and moves on, because what is the BG going to do? Come up and say, Man, you got lucky, I saw your gun so I am not going to roll you today? The idea that an OC'er is going to get shot or get their gun stolen just is not supported by facts.

3. I like to take the opportunity to be able to educate less informed folks that a law abiding citizen having the means available to protect themselves at hand is acceptable and in fact should be the norm. I point out to them, "Is there anything right now that is keeping me from shooting you if that was my intention?" When they answer, "No, I guess not." I then ask them, "Do you think that right now I happen to have a better chance at not getting shot by you, if that was your intent." "Well, I suppose so, because you have a gun."

4. I point out to them that I care about myself and care about those around me enough to display the fact that I will protect them from harm if I need to and to send the message to those that might be thinking about doing them harm that I won't let that happen with one helluva big fight.

5. I will take the opportunity, if need be, to educate law enforcement officers who would choose to harass me for my lawful behavior. This is one way to send the message to LEO that it is NOT acceptable to bother law abiding citizens with requests for ID and such just because they get a call about a person engaging in perfectly legal behavior. They can respond to the call, see me carrying my gun while engaging in perfectly legal behavior such as eating in a restaurant, shopping in a store, and then leave - they did what they are supposed to do - investigate a call. What they SHOULD do is follow up with the caller - not bother the MWAG. Tell the caller that they observed nothing that would be considered reasonable suspicion and they would appreciate it if the caller sees the same circumstances again to not bother the police with calls about perfectly legal behavior. What is ILLEGAL for them to do is to formally detain me and investigate the legally of my possession of my firearm - they have no reasonable suspicion that I am not legal to possess my firearm.

6. It just plain easier. I don't have to adjust my wardrobe to conceal my gun. I do have a CPL. If I want to wear a jacket that covers the gun, I wear the jacket. If I want to wear a T-Shirt because it is hot, I wear a T-Shirt. I just don't have to worry about it.

7. BTW, for what it is worth, the "element of surprise" has always been used, militarily, as an offensive tactic. A visible show of deterrent force is used, militarily, as the defensive tactic of choice.

runrabbitrun
July 10, 2009, 12:27 PM
Awesome post NavyLT.

Oro
July 10, 2009, 12:48 PM
can I get some decent answers other than "because I can" or "it's legal here".

I was all prepared to write a thoughtful post and be intelligent about it, but I think NavyLT covered it. So I'll just sit back and reiterate:

6. It just plain easier. I don't have to adjust my wardrobe to conceal my gun. I do have a CPL. If I want to wear a jacket that covers the gun, I wear the jacket. If I want to wear a T-Shirt because it is hot, I wear a T-Shirt. I just don't have to worry about it.

And add that this point = safer. When you are really faced with an imminent threat and you don't fumble an extra few seconds for your gun, that equals safety as well as comfort. Who here is against safety as an element of carry? I am, as well as FEEL, safer with my gun ready to draw instead of digging into a pack, shirt, coat, pocket, etc. to try to grab it. This isn't "theoretical" as I know this is true. I've been in the wilderness in several bear encounters where I've wanted to reach or "cover" my gun and it's just plain obvious that not frackin' with cover is faster and therefore safer.

Plus in the other 99.9% of the time you carry it, it's more comfortable. Point over and decided in favor of open carry.

His point #7 is also well worth thinking twice about - I've used that point in argument before, too. Is a deterrent effective if it's secret or hidden? ***? Would the Cold War have been won if we kept our nuclear capabilities secret? Why do you think there were all those films in the '60s laying out how far and fast the B-52 could fly? Because the Air Force felt telling the Commie's about our abilities was wise? Frack no, it's about deterrence. We sent out memos on this subject to the media. This is just common sense. NavyLT made the point clearly, for the n-th time in 50 years. How many times does the obvious need to be repeated?

Ok, enough said, I'm off to the Mt. Baker National Forest to go deter bears with my .44. What a pretty day it is heer in the PNW!

Deltaboy
July 10, 2009, 12:54 PM
I am working and praying for OC here in Texas.

Rockwell1
July 10, 2009, 01:01 PM
Ha! Man, people on here are much quicker to resort to calling each other trolls than ever before. The OP was asking a question, and you insult them? Brand new here, and you want to run them off? I see nothing inflamitory in the message or question.


You owe the OP an appology.

No, I don’t. Read his Opening post, he walked in here looking for a fight. He hit every single one of these in one paragraph

It's gonna end up like all the rest of them. We're going to hear:

1. The police will harass you.
2. You’re doing it to draw attention to yourself & piss off antis.
3. The bad guys will shoot you first/ take your gun (this will be stated with no corroborating evidence despite repeated requests for such)
4. All the antis will join the Brady Bunch and get laws banning open carry passed.


And threw in OC’rs do so to compensate for some shortcoming.

Isn’t the definition of “troll’ someone who signs onto a board with the intent of causing trouble?

Yo Mama
July 10, 2009, 01:43 PM
Negative. I just read through it a few more times even. The questions were phrased in terms of people the OP spoke with and information they were told. It's not their fault it was faulty information, nor does the OP appear to have this belief themselves. They don't fit the definition of a troll.

I feel on this forum we need to counteract this, and give good information instead of kicking them back to the folks that are giving lies and mistruths.

Rockwell1
July 10, 2009, 01:52 PM
We'll just have to agree to disagree

NavyLCDR
July 10, 2009, 01:54 PM
Ok, enough said, I'm off to the Mt. Baker National Forest to go deter bears with my .44. What a pretty day it is here in the PNW!

Did you hear about the two guys hiking in the woods? One was OCing. The other asked what it was and what it was for. He said, it's a .22, I am carrying it for bears. The second guy said, "How do you hope to stop a bear with a .22?" First guy says, "I don't need to stop the bear. I only need to stop you!"

Tom Servo
July 10, 2009, 02:10 PM
traditionally an honest man would openly carry and a dishonest man would hide his weapon
I'm not sure which bothers me more: the statement itself or the blanket logic behind it.

I am a little unhappy to see a new member, despite his failure to use the 'search' feature, referred to as a troll so early in the thread.

Such seems to be the way with this debate, though.

Yo Mama
July 10, 2009, 02:12 PM
Fair enough. No hard feelings. :D

The Wiry Irishman
July 10, 2009, 02:28 PM
traditionally an honest man would openly carry and a dishonest man would hide his weapon
I'm not sure which bothers me more: the statement itself or the blanket logic behind it.

Though somewhat poorly worded, its a true statement. This was popular belief around the time of the Revolution.

rmodel65
July 10, 2009, 06:47 PM
I don't think its poorly worded? It's a factual statement; I open carry because I'm an activist as well as free man exercising the right in its purest unadulterated form (although I do occasionally conceal, mainly during the winter months on the few days it gets chilly in south GA).

Nunn vs State of GA (was cited in Heller): http://georgiapacking.org/caselaw/nunnvstate.htm

*11 We are of the opinion, then, that so far as the act of 1837 seeks to suppress the practice of carrying certain weapons secretly, that it is valid, inasmuch as it does not deprive the citizen of his natural right of self-defence, or of his constitutional right to keep and bear arms. But that so much of it, as contains a prohibition against bearing arms openly, is in conflict with the Constitution, and void; and that, as the defendant has been indicted and convicted for carrying a pistol, without charging that it was done in a concealed manner, under that portion of the statute which entirely forbids its use, the judgment of the court below must be reversed, and the proceeding quashed.

The Wiry Irishman
July 10, 2009, 07:03 PM
I don't think it's poorly worded?

It is in the context I was reading it in, and that I have most often seen it in - referencing popular opinion around the time the constitution was drafted. Since you clarified that you were applying your statement in current context, then it is obviously not poorly worded. My apologies.

BMF500
July 10, 2009, 07:13 PM
I must CC because I can't OC...not fair, not right, I know, it's a bummer.

Mags
July 10, 2009, 07:16 PM
I must CC because I can't OC...not fair, not right, I know, it's a bummer
That's too bad I always expect Texas to be a frontrunner for Gun Rights. Move to NM.

Tom Servo
July 10, 2009, 07:22 PM
I don't think its poorly worded? It's a factual statement; I open carry because I'm an activist as well as free man exercising the right in its purest unadulterated form.
So, those who prefer to exercise more discretion are not? Frankly, there are many situations in which I'd like not to be noticed carrying a gun. Am I being "dishonest" or somehow furtive when I do so?

We're not the kind of people who need to be engaging blanket stereotyping, particularly among our own.

ArfinGreebly
July 10, 2009, 07:52 PM
To the original poster:

Using the site advanced search feature, do a search for posts made by ArfinGreebly containing the word "unremarkable."

You will find my view expressed, at some length, in those posts.

I will be happy to answer any specific questions you have regarding what I've written there.

kanewpadle
July 10, 2009, 11:20 PM
Troll. Funny, never been called that before.

So far I have learned a few things.

1. There's an idiot in every crowd. I hope they can read my mind. Nuff said
2. There are actually some very nice, thoughtful people here willing to help and share thier knowledge and experience. I thank each one of you.
3. Until more people are educated about open carry, the open carry movement will also continue to fight concealed carriers that oppose them. Stupid remarks and accusations don't help your cause. The gun haters just love it when we fight amongst ourselves.
4. Maybe it would be better if we all open carried.

Please keep the INTELLIGENT posts coming.

Thank You.

ArfinGreebly
July 11, 2009, 01:13 AM
So, kanewpadle, did you take the time to chase down those "unremarkable" posts?

They appear in (older) threads like this one, and some of the other material near those posts is worth reading.

kanewpadle
July 11, 2009, 01:23 AM
Yes. Found a few. Still searching.

Erik M
July 11, 2009, 01:36 AM
When im on a fourwheeler I open carry due to nesessity. The only other time I open carry is when I go to the store which is on the way to fourwheeling. I live in rural Kentucky so as far as I have noticed in the last few years no one cares or pays attention.

kanewpadle
July 11, 2009, 01:49 AM
Ok, I read them. Still not sure I agree but I see a lot of good points. However, "unremarkable" makes sense. Will we ever get there? Who knows.

model of 1905
July 11, 2009, 01:53 AM
For a guy asking questions you already seem to have formed some pretty serious opinions. I open carry because it's convienent and more comfortable. I don't worry about someone snatching my gun or cops rousting me. I don't open carry as a method to make up for short comings. I quickly handle with verbal authority any moron that chooses to question me about it. I do the same with strangers who think it's neat and want to make small talk about it. You want to mess with a man that is carrying a gun openly do so at your own risk and be prepared for the consequences. If you don't want to open carry, don't. If it bothers you that I do, it will be better for you if you do not make it a point to tell me so. If you think it's way cool, best that you do that under your breath also. A man that is confident enough to open carry is also likely to be a man better off ignored.

When I OC, I don't know the difference between a threat and a groupie, so I treat all the same. Mind your own business.

Hanzerik
July 11, 2009, 01:57 AM
I have the option of OC or CC. I do both, but CC more often then OC.

christcorp
July 11, 2009, 02:06 AM
For me, concealed carry is more convenient. Many people; including myself; wear boots. Of the cowboy persuasion. They are perfect for also carrying a gun. Open carry is a PAIN; Literally. Driving, I don't like the gun digging into my side. Walking, I don't like having to rearrange clothing to make it comfortable. Normally, my gun is either in my boot or in my jacket/coat. If I'm working on the ranch, riding a horse, fixing a fence, etc... then open carry is more comfortable. Sometimes I just let it sit on the front seat of the truck if I'm working. When I'm at my normal job; Mon-Fri; I can't have a gun at all, so that's a non-issue. Tonight, my wife, I, and kids went out to dinner in a very nice restaurant. The gun was in my boot like it normally is. If I'm wearing a jacket, it's in the small of my back either IWB or OWB. I don't even think about; "How am I going to EXERCISE my 2nd amendment Right today? Hmmm".

3. Until more people are educated about open carry, the open carry movement will also continue to fight concealed carriers that oppose them. Stupid remarks and accusations don't help your cause. The gun haters just love it when we fight amongst ourselves.

Talk about a "Stupid remark". There's a lot of reasons people carry openly and why some carry concealed. If you choose to Open Carry for the sole purpose of being an activist and "Educating" people about your "RIGHT" to keep and bear arms; then go for it. That's your right. Where I live, we don't do that. And we don't NEED to do that. We're very PRO-Gun; 85% of the state owns guns; we carry guns (Either openly or concealed) with a purpose. And the purpose isn't to educate others or to be a political activist. Yes, some of you live in some pretty "F'd" up places. We get that. Some of your local/state laws truly suck. But your perspective isn't going to be the same as many others; nor will theirs be the same as yours. There's education that needs to be done on both sides.

kanewpadle
July 11, 2009, 02:30 AM
Damn right I'm serious. Carrying a gun open or concealed is serious. Your post tells me exactly what kind of person you are. Just another I'm somebody don't mess with me macho attitude that is completely self serving and selfish.

Is it really that hard for some of you to comprehend? I know relatively nothing about open carry except that you don't conceal your gun. I've never done it. Don't desire too. And don't need to. I'm am comfortable with how, where and what I carry.

My limited experience with open carry people is the same as your post. All macho, look at me got a gun BS. Some of you guys just like to post here to get some attention and get your ego massaged. It ain't gonna happen here.

If you can't post a reply that's halfway itelligent or knowledgable, then DON'T.

Give your views on open carry. Why do you do so? How often? What advantage or disadvantages to you see?

If open carry is going to someday be "UNREMARKABLE" then we need to dispense with the bravado look at me crap and give folks an honest educated answer when they ask. The more you educate the better off we all will be.

model of 1905
July 11, 2009, 02:45 AM
I not only have a gun, I probably have two. And a knife, or two. I don't care what you think or whether you approve. Look around you, it's a nasty world out there. If you want an education take a FOF class.

You are absolutely correct in one thing, my attitude is completely self serving and selfish. The sooner you make the decision to to do the same the better off you will be.

ArfinGreebly
July 11, 2009, 04:15 AM
Just a reminder civility is not accomplished through ridicule.

Uh, christcorp,
Talk about a "Stupid remark".
we can afford to lose the snark.

Civility doesn't cost anything, and it makes my job a lot easier.

Carry on.

ElPasoWrangler
July 11, 2009, 12:42 PM
I have a great idea. It is called liberty. Let anyone carry as they choose and there is no reason to argue over it. Do what makes you feel good.

Mohawk
July 11, 2009, 12:47 PM
I do both. I live in a small desert town (Pop.11,000) in Arizona. We have a lot of grazing land around town. We move cattle from one section to another the old fashoned way, on horseback. We all open carry a pistol. Sometimes we go have lunch at the local cafe. We all open carry. Whenever I go out in the desert, which is often I open carry a Ruger P90, 45 ACP. I load two snake loads and 7 hollow points. Hard to conceal a Ruger P90. Basicly a "Brick with a trigger" but it will cycle anything consistantly. The rest of the time when I'm in town I carry a Makarov or a PA 63 concealed. It gets real hot here, (110-115) and shorts and tee shirts are uniform of the day and these small frames conceal nicely. Point is that even in an isolated desert town there are very few who OC in town except when working, but most CCW. I'm not advocating one over the other, just relating real life experience.

christcorp
July 11, 2009, 08:20 PM
Arfin; I was simply QUOTING #35 and responding. I didn't bring in the vocabulary. It was actually a comparison to the original quote. But OK.

kanewpadle; not sure if you were responding to my post, being you posted AFTER mine. But I believe that my response was exactly what you were asking for. How do I carry; Why I carry that way; and the pros-cons (In my opinion) of both. If you weren't responding to my post, disregard.

lobo9er
July 11, 2009, 08:34 PM
i dunno if this point has come up just scrolled through oc is illegal in ny (what isn't) i wish it was legal though for the most part walking around city type atmosphere i wouldn't do it just me to meny idiots asking questions and i doubt it but possible some try to take it - for fishing and hiking though it would be awesome so much easier its to bad guns are so scary to people how did it ever get like that

doc2rn
July 11, 2009, 08:48 PM
Ok I will bite, Kansas prohibits open carry but allows CCW. I prefer open carry for one its more comfortable, two its easier to just draw without trying to get around your cover garments, and three I am used to tactical thigh holsters that I used in the military. You can always clear a thigh holster no matter how much gear your packing.
Everytime I bring out my CCW the police instantly quit tongue whipping you and move into respect mode. It didnt turn into the wild west like all the anti's cried wolf. They also lost Heller so they are on the outs as political personnel are concerned. I OC'd once on accident in town and not a blessed soul even noticed. People are to concerned with what is affecting them now to worry about what your doing.
Its a sign of the times.
P.S. I likes my BBQ gun!

psyprofessor
July 11, 2009, 08:55 PM
I support laws that allow open carry. Would I open carry? No. However, should I accidentally "print" or if my weapon shows by accident... then at that point, I can simply say that I am open carrying. An "open carry" state would then be an advantage. (I, would of course, have a CCW at all times.)

So even if you never plan on "open carrying" and have a CCW, I think that it is a good idea to live in an "open carry" state.

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