New XCR PDW Pics! (7/10/2009)


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variablebinary
July 10, 2009, 08:49 PM
I will add more details later because I have to run out. This is just a prototype. Production is not ready yet. Here are the pics for now though.

Enjoy

http://home.comcast.net/~firearmspics/PDW1A.jpg


http://home.comcast.net/~firearmspics/PDW2B.jpg

Nice Bag!
http://home.comcast.net/~firearmspics/PDW3C.jpg

Even Better
http://home.comcast.net/~firearmspics/PDW4D.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~firearmspics/PDW5E.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~firearmspics/PDW6F.jpg

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P.B.Walsh
July 10, 2009, 08:56 PM
Wish we could have SBR's in Alabama...., nice rifle though...!! :)

ECVMatt
July 10, 2009, 10:19 PM
That is awesome!!

Have fun with that.

meytind
July 10, 2009, 10:25 PM
Looks awesome. One more reason to hate NY state's firearms laws.

dscottw88
July 11, 2009, 02:34 AM
Gun porn in its purest form. Looks incredible.

armoredman
July 11, 2009, 03:35 AM
Nice, if available without happy switch would be worth the NFA hassle for the SBR.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
July 11, 2009, 11:02 AM
Looks handy; I like it. Can Canadians buy this without hassles?

heron
July 11, 2009, 12:23 PM
Cool! Pricey, though. What is the zipper-pull-looking thing on the front of the foregrip?

2TransAms
July 11, 2009, 12:26 PM
I want this.

BamaXD
July 11, 2009, 12:46 PM
I'm with P.B.Walsh...that is a nice piece of hardware I would love to have. It just sucks we can't have SBR's in Alabama.

highorder
July 11, 2009, 01:11 PM
Sexy. How long is the barrel?

heathen
July 11, 2009, 01:20 PM
Pretty sweet what's the specs on this?

Caliber? OA length? Length folded? Barrel length, 9"?

Thanks. Heath

ny32182
July 11, 2009, 02:09 PM
I believe it is a 9" barrel; current schedule per the mfg is that it will be released sometime next month in 5.56, 6.8, and 7.62x39.

The upper is shorter than a standard XCR upper, and the gas system is shorter as well, so this upper is not interchangeable barrel-wise with the standard carbine. This was neccessary to get the barrel down to 9". The lowers are the same as the standard carbine.

I'm tempted.

12131
July 11, 2009, 08:06 PM
So, what happened to the OP?:evil:

variablebinary
July 12, 2009, 03:28 AM
Pretty sweet what's the specs on this?

Caliber? OA length? Length folded? Barrel length, 9"?

I dont have a measuring tape handy, but I am going to guess the OAL is 30", and 21" folded...give or take.

9" barrel.

5.56 is the caliber. However 6.8 and 7.62x39 will also be available.

If you own an XCR, all you need is a new PDW upper.

Cool! Pricey, though. What is the zipper-pull-looking thing on the front of the foregrip?

I think you mean the locking tab on the Troy rail cover. Is that what you mean?

variablebinary
July 12, 2009, 03:49 AM
Next to my LWRC/6520 MK18 build for a sense of scale.

http://home.comcast.net/~firearmspics/PDW7E.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~firearmspics/PDW8G.jpg

John Parker
July 12, 2009, 10:45 AM
You could totally dual-wield those.

variablebinary
July 12, 2009, 05:46 PM
Quick pics from shooting today. Full auto FNC was part of the fun. The light wasnt very good so the quality is a little rough. I will give shooting impressions later when I have time

http://home.comcast.net/~firearmspics/xcrpdw102.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~firearmspics/xcrpdw107.jpg


http://home.comcast.net/~firearmspics/xcrpdw106.jpg


http://home.comcast.net/~firearmspics/xcrpdw105.jpg


http://home.comcast.net/~firearmspics/xcrpdw104.jpg


http://home.comcast.net/~firearmspics/xcrpdw103.jpg


http://home.comcast.net/~firearmspics/xcrpdw101.jpg



http://home.comcast.net/~firearmspics/xcrpdw100.jpg

Pony Express
July 12, 2009, 06:40 PM
Wow, very neat rifles. Im not familiar with the XCR platform. I'm assuming its a gas-piston FAL/G3 type action?

Cool rifles, i hope to get my hands on some SBR's someday as well. :D

dscottw88
July 12, 2009, 06:53 PM
I'm assuming its a gas-piston

You are correct to assume it is a gas-piston rifle. Similar to the FAL, but not so much HK's G3. The G3 uses a "delayed blowback" op system which can be harsh on brass.

The XCR platform takes most good from the AR and "improves" it by removing the DI system and replacing it with a gas piston. IN THEORY, this will render the rifle more reliable. In my personal experience however, and for those of my family and friends, the DI system happens to be perfectly capable of maintaining its reliablility under any condition.

possum
July 12, 2009, 06:59 PM
nice, thanks for sharing, it is neat, i personally would prefer an sbr on the ar platform instead, but it is nice to know that these are out there.

btw how did it go at the range? how did the wolf ammo run in it?

ny32182
July 12, 2009, 09:45 PM
Actually the XCR is an amalgamation of three rifles; the AR, AK, and FAL. In terms of the action, it is by far more closely related to the AK than the AR or FAL. It is *not* a gas piston AR15, and shares no major component compatibility with the AR. It uses a long stroke piston with the recoil spring coiled up in the piston, and a carrier and three lug rotating bolt that operate very similarly to the AK. The FAL (and as I understand it, many of the AR15 piston additions out there) use a short stroke piston where the piston is not attached to the carrier.

The gas plug/regulator is roughly FAL-like, though these two parts have been combined into one adjustable gas plug on the XCR. The bolt catch is located in the same place as the FAL's, but is closer to the trigger and ambidextrous, making it much more easy to operate. The charging handle is on the left side, identical to the FAL.

The AR influence is actally rather limited (mostly to the ergonomics); the selector is ergonomically similar, but rotates 45 degrees rather than 90. It takes AR pistol grips, and uses a similar mag catch. It also uses AR15 style magazines. Other than that, the lowers are different.

The upper is monolithic and the barrel is free floated/QD, somewhat similar in concept to the LMT MRP.

lobo9er
July 12, 2009, 09:55 PM
nice i like xcr i think it is ashame the military went for the scar something about the scar rubs me the wrong way

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
July 12, 2009, 11:52 PM
At what point does a carbine become a "PDW"? Honestly I think I'd rather have a .45 acp or 10mm with a bbl that short.

You are correct to assume it is a gas-piston rifle.

It's actually a "long stroke gas piston", almost identical to Kalashnikovs.

Mr. ny32182 is exactly correct. It combines the best of the AK (operating system), AR (ergos), and FAL (easy open and adjustable gas system).

david_the_greek
July 13, 2009, 12:03 AM
I personally like that much better than the original (in terms of looks). If MI allowed sbr's then maybe I'd buy one :'-(

variablebinary
July 16, 2009, 01:04 AM
Sadly, I dont walk around with a digi cam in my pocket, but I did have my mobile phone cam to snap these pics.


http://home.comcast.net/~firearmspics/pdwfest5.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~firearmspics/pdwfest6.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~firearmspics/pdwfest1.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~firearmspics/pdwfest2.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~firearmspics/pdwfest3.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~firearmspics/pdwfest4.jpg

peyton
July 16, 2009, 01:17 AM
So when will it be available and how much will it cost?? Sadly, the time to market from pre-production to the store shelf has gotten longer and longer for a lot of manufacturers. That is why there is no RRA LAR .308 in my safe. What distributors will carry your rifles? Thanks for the size comparision rifles, Army mechanized personnel could sure use it instead of the M-4. Before the M-16, I carried a M3 grease gun as a APC driver.

I do not recognize the PDW with the straight magazine. I think it is a H&K but please tell us.

shooterfromtexas
July 16, 2009, 01:55 AM
beautiful!

Evil Monkey
July 16, 2009, 04:07 AM
ooohhh the loctite gun!

Robarm come back at me when you understand what taper pins and rivets are.

Nice looking though....

I do not recognize the PDW with the straight magazine. I think it is a H&K but please tell us.

UMP40 or 45

ny32182
July 16, 2009, 09:08 AM
A little bigger than the others there, but firing a rifle cartride... especially 6.8 or 7.62x39, it would be far more potent with much greater range and penetration.

It is supposed to be available in all three chamberings next month. We'll see how that goes. It has been in development for quite a while now.

When the PDW was first announced way back when, I didn't think I was interested, but damn that thing is compact for something shooting a rifle cartridge. I could see carrying it concealed while hiking, etc... it is growing on me.

mp5a3
July 16, 2009, 10:20 AM
How were you able to do a full auto UMP ? I thought the sears only worked on the HK 53-33-93-51-21-91, sp89, etc series guns. Nice MP5k-PDW btw..

sneedb82
July 16, 2009, 11:01 AM
*sigh*... If I wasn't married, that'd be all the sex I need, right there... I'm absolutely in love with the XCRs. And to top it off, if i weren't married, I'd have one and this one on order as well! Oh well.. I like marriage!

giggitygiggity
July 16, 2009, 01:58 PM
Is it semiauto and is the procedure for getting a SBR simply a matter of paying a $200 tax stamp?

mp5a3
July 16, 2009, 02:12 PM
I have a class III gun (an MP5 RR PP) so I understand the tax stamp, the reason I asked is because is appears the gun has a 3 position selector switch.

Dravur
July 16, 2009, 02:39 PM
Not to pick a nit or anything...

But, with the stock folded, doesn't it block the trigger? So, no matter what, you would have to open the stock to use the weapon?

Perhaps I missed this or maybe I am looking at it wrong, but I would hate it if a folding stock interfered with the action of the gun.

ny32182
July 16, 2009, 02:42 PM
I believe the stock stands off the side enough so a right hander could get their finger on the trigger without much issue.

Obviously it is no problem for a lefty. :D I've always wondered why most folding stock carbines have the stock fold to the right.

Dr.Rob
July 16, 2009, 06:47 PM
AR-HK Lovechild? Neat looking rifle.

variablebinary
July 16, 2009, 08:31 PM
I have a class III gun (an MP5 RR PP) so I understand the tax stamp, the reason I asked is because is appears the gun has a 3 position selector switch.

Everything in that pic except the XCR is select fire.

I have fired a full auto 7.62x39 XCR however.

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