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salesguy
July 11, 2009, 09:09 PM
O.K. I hear everyone talking about going into code red or code yellow or code brown (jk)what ever that means. Also, carrying their piece in condition one, blah blah blah. Will someone explain this termanology to me? :banghead:Thank you in advance.

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Flea
July 11, 2009, 09:15 PM
Mental Conditions:

Condition white: Unaware of your surroundings, sleeping, or otherwise unprepared should danger come your way. If you are attacked in this condition, a typical response is "I can't believe this is happening to me."

Condition Yellow: Tactically aware of your surroundings. You focus on everything and nothing at the same time, like a 360* radar sweep. You are prepared to step to the next level if something triggers you.

Condition Orange: Specific threat. There is someone or something that just isn't right. You are focused on a specific threat until the threat subsides or warrants action. Your mindset should be "I will defend myself if X happens."

Condition Red: Your mental trigger is tripped and the use of deadly force is imminent.

Firearm Conditions:
# Condition Zero: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety off.
# Condition One: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety on.
# Condition Two: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down.
# Condition Three: Chamber empty, full magazine in place, hammer down.
# Condition Four: Chamber empty, no magazine, hammer down

rbernie
July 11, 2009, 09:19 PM
Code Brown ==> cleanup needed on Aisle BaggyDrawers. :D

Jim K
July 11, 2009, 09:23 PM
Note that all those codes and conditions are OK in web site posts, but anyone who deals with a potential threat by worrying about its color or thinking about the code condition of his gun probably should be writing gunzine articles rather than being armed on the street.

P.S. The worst handgun code: Code 18 - hammer cocked, safety off, and in the hand of your wife who has just been comparing notes with your girl friend in the Ladies' Room.

Jim

salesguy
July 11, 2009, 09:32 PM
Great response. How about some ideas from our LEOs out there. What mind set are you trained to respond to a situation or to maintain awareness?

Jim K
July 11, 2009, 10:00 PM
Well, I have been a LEO. I would like to say that I maintained alertness at all times, but I am not that big a liar. A LEO tries to be alert at all times, and he is trained to see things most folks won't notice like, say, a car parked at a closed business. But just like anyone else, a LEO usually responds to a situation, it is just that he is trained in HOW and WHEN to respond without (hopefully) screwing up too badly. And he is authorized, indeed required, to go looking for trouble, which a citizen should avoid if at all possible.

A major difference is that a LEO has several weapons available to deal with a situation without using lethal force. Also he is trained in making an arrest and can legally do so. Not to mention that he has a radio and can call all kinds of backup. The armed citizen has no Taser, no blackjack, no baton, no tear gas spray, no radio; technically he can make a citizen's arrest (in most states), but he has no training in how to do so. (Yes, the Miranda rule applies in a citizen's arrest.) He also has no restraint devices, and no training in how to hold and cuff a subject.

In other words, the citizen may have a gun, but he has almost no other options. He can't even wrestle the subject since that exposes his gun to being taken away from him. In other words, if he can't legally shoot the bad guy, and he can't except when an innocent life is directly threatened, he really can't do much of anything except try to hold the BG for the police. And if the BG says goodbye and walks away, the citizen can only put his gun away and wave.

Jim

larry_minn
July 11, 2009, 11:11 PM
Flea Pretty much has it. (there are many minor variations folks use)

Basicly it is suggested if you carry a gun on you in public you should be in Yellow at all times. Basicly know who is around you.

I recall a instructor who had a lot of Police yrs. From FNG, to Chief. Well one night IIRC he said 1am he was in Wally World Parking lot going into WW. Empty parking lot. He RUNS into a guy walking out with two bags of stuff. They both apoligize and look around. Thier two cars are only ones nearby, Its well lit/open ground but both were so far in white. (in MN twin cities) summer.
Some folks go to Orange and stress themselves/ others out. I look at it like driving. I want to know what is infront/along side/behind me when I am on the road. I have avoided accidents because when something happens infront I don't even have to look I KNOW which way I can move.
Also if someone is considering you for a victim and you catch them sizing you up you have options. (depending on situation) Such as going into store/business, changing direction, let them know you see them....

The Lone Haranguer
July 12, 2009, 09:09 AM
Code Brown
:D Condition Yellow is also a double entendre. :neener:

One should note that Condition Red is mental preparedness to shoot if needed, not necessarily that you will shoot. That is sometimes called Condition Black by some trainers. The other color codes were not invented, but were quantified and popularized, by Jeff Cooper, BTW, as well as the handgun readiness conditions (which do not apply to all handguns).

Walkalong
July 12, 2009, 09:53 AM
Code Brown That one has been a joke here at the hospital ever since someone defecated in the smoke hut outside, with others in there at the same time. Must have been the drugs.

Code Brown in the butt hut....:eek:

True story. Ah, back to the thread.....

Cowboygunsmith
July 13, 2009, 11:56 AM
Being color blind I have no clue what you are talking about. Being a retired military member 15 active 15 reserves, retired correctional officer and now haveing worked here in Iraq for the past five years. But no matter what you do for a living or where you are you need to be aware of your what is around you and where your at all times. You need to play the what if game and know in advance what you would do in a given situation. If you carry a gun make sure before hand you would use it if not then dont carry it.

Lightninstrike
July 13, 2009, 12:05 PM
The other color codes were not invented, but were quantified and popularized, by Jeff Cooper, BTW, as well as the handgun readiness conditions (which do not apply to all handguns).

I believe the original handgun conditions were defined with the 1911 in mind. That's why some, Glock for instance, don't fit perfectly. Correct me if I'm wrong.

46R
July 13, 2009, 12:41 PM
# Condition Zero: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety off.
# Condition One: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety on.
# Condition Two: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down.

I've been told that a DAO pistol, such as a Glock or a Ruger LCP that has an internal firing mechanism instead of a conventional external hammer that you can manipulate, when carried with a full magazine and a round chambered is also considered to be "Condition One". Is that also the general consensus here?

dirt_j00
July 13, 2009, 12:55 PM
piece = gun

CWL
July 13, 2009, 02:18 PM
How about some ideas from our LEOs out there. What mind set are you trained to respond to a situation or to maintain awareness?


As a civilian (legally) carrying a firearm, you should not use police training/mindset when going about your life. When encountering certain threats, LEOs respond by heading-towards the danger. (They can also call for back-up.)

This isn't what you need to be emulating for SD or HD.

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