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hatchetbearer
July 12, 2009, 12:52 AM
I know the old adage, "if you have to ask, its probably illegal" but hey, sometimes people are wrong.

So I'm stationed here in Florida, living the high life, Pawn shops and gun stores every ten feet. Say I find a dream pistol, The mythical Colt Python for $300, Or a Vintage Singer 1911 floating around for sale down here. I'm not allowed to own weapons here (due to a lack of a real Armory, only drill rifles here) My question is can I buy a weapon, and have it mailed back to my home since its still going to me?

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2RCO
July 12, 2009, 01:21 AM
Hatchetbearer--If you find a Singer and can't keep it I'll pay whatever fees needed to transfer it to me. I knew where at least one original unmolested Singer was but the guy wanted $40k for it 7 years ago. I've been hoping I'd accidentally find one cheaper.

freakshow10mm
July 12, 2009, 01:39 AM
It must be sent to a dealer in your state for transfer to you.

TAB
July 12, 2009, 02:15 AM
I beleave you are allowed to ship a hand gun to yourself.


I might be wrong on that...

I know a hand gun would have to go over night thru a private carrier.

larry_minn
July 12, 2009, 02:47 AM
There are always options. I don't know your state/laws. IF you buy is (my understanding of Military is that if you have orders/stationed there you can purchase) If it can't be kept on base any gunsmith will likely work with a military personal. I.E. have him clean it for normal fee if he will store it till you can figure out how to get it sent home.
I have been told as well that you can ship a firearm to yourself. I DON'T know that for a fact. If you have a relationship with local FFL in your home you could always ship it there.

GRIZ22
July 12, 2009, 02:48 AM
If you're in the military you can buy firearms where you are stationed. You can legally send a firearm to yourself (no handguns via US Mail). The clincher to this is they have to stay sealed in the package and only opened by you.

Check the sticky ATF regs.

Shadow 7D
July 12, 2009, 03:28 AM
If you have a baggage allowance, which you should for anything other than TDY, they should be shipped for you, if not, any common carrier can ship to you, it's the same as moving household goods, except the ATF is involved.

stevemis
July 12, 2009, 08:04 AM
If you're in the military you can buy firearms where you are stationed. You can legally send a firearm to yourself (no handguns via US Mail). The clincher to this is they have to stay sealed in the package and only opened by you.

Check the sticky ATF regs.

This is my understanding as well. I guess if it's going to be sealed up for a while you'd want to make sure the pistol is well preserved before mailing it. It would sure suck to get home a year or two later and find a rusted nasty gun waiting for you. Make sure the recipient can store the box in a safe, dry place.

ETA: You could get a small storage place for $30/month and store it there. Better yet, find a good group of shooting buddies and ask one of them to store your gun for you. All of my shooting buddies are absolutely stand-up guys.. would trust them with anything and everything.

BamaXD
July 12, 2009, 09:01 AM
What if you mail a portion of the pistol home? Say, the upper slide, and keep the receiver with you. That'd be perfectly legal I'd think. But as previously stated, check the BATFE regs.

Art Eatman
July 12, 2009, 10:09 AM
BamaXD, what's the point? He still has to get home with the receiver. So, the OP needs to know the laws of Ohio and Florida, as well as the BATFE regs stickied at the top of this forum's page.

The safest legal way to avoid any hassle with the law or the military is to first hook up with an FFL in Ohio, who can FAX or mail a copy of his license to either a Florida dealer or a non-dealer individual. The firearm is shipped to the Ohio FFL and the 4473 is then filled out there.

chuckusaret
July 12, 2009, 10:26 AM
Some states allow the DD-214 as the training requirement for a CCW. As a veteran of two wars myself, I don't think this is a great idea. The vast majority of military jobs these days are not weapons related, meaning that many military personnel are not competent with small arms

Florida allows ex military to use their prior training in lieu of the basic CCW classes. IMO the basic CCW classes are mostly a waste of time. Most only require the student to shoot one round into a sand filled barrel and cover only the basic state and federal laws.

What branch of service were you in? I served for 24 years in the US Army in many different jobs from Airborne Infantry, Nike missiles Ajax/Hercules repair, HAWK missile repair, radio/ radar repair, Avionics repair , Aircraft repair maintenance chief, company 1st Sgt and was required to qualify and/or familiarize annually with a rifle, .38 & .45 cal pistols, 12 ga shotgun, M79, LAW and M60 machine gun.

I am in the US Army, an Infantry Squad Leader, I have not received any "perks" as far as ccw (mine is Ga, and it is a few dollars and about a 2 month wait here for everyone) and anything gun related is concerned…………………………….And don't think for a minute that we are more "highly" trained, most soldiers can merely meet the standards that the Army sets which is way low. as well most people in the Army, might can qualify with a rifle, but have no idea when it comes to handguns, shotguns, and more importantly the moral, ethical, and legal aspects of ccw.

What I gather from your comments you yourself have not received the necessary training to perform the duties of a squad leader. As a squad leader it is your responsibility to insure that your squad has received the necessary training to carry out their assigned mission. It is also your responsibility to inform the Platoon Sgt., Platoon Leader and Company Commander of their lack of training. If no action is taken by them you should make an IG complaint and if all else fails, a letter to your congressman. Leaders at every level of the chain of command are responsible for the adequate training of their personnel.
You stated it is your job to bring them back alive but without qualified leaders and training for all members this will not happen. I only have the experience of one conflict, Vietnam, but four tours and saw first hand what happens to poorly trained troops. I also served at Ft Stewart and also at Hunter AAF.

freakshow10mm
July 12, 2009, 10:27 AM
I beleave you are allowed to ship a hand gun to yourself.
Yes you can but the transfer has to be completed legally first. If he can buy it in FL and then mail it to himself in OH for storage, that's fine. I'm pretty sure military can buy out of state if they are stationed. I've never done a transfer as such with the military personnel. I am usually a storage facility for their firearms when they are abroad and I hold firearms for them until they get back and 4473 in person for things they buy.

nalioth
July 12, 2009, 03:04 PM
It must be sent to a dealer in your state for transfer to you. No, it must not.
I beleave you are allowed to ship a hand gun to yourself.
Yes you can but the transfer has to be completed legally first. If he can buy it in FL and then mail it to himself in OH for storage, that's fine. I'm pretty sure military can buy out of state if they are stationed. I've never done a transfer as such with the military personnel. I am usually a storage facility for their firearms when they are abroad and I hold firearms for them until they get back and 4473 in person for things they buy. A copy of the orders assigning him to Florida is all he needs to purchase firearms locally.

At that point, he can mail or ship (depending on the item) them to himself back "home" and when he gets there, he can open the dusty boxes and enjoy them.

hatchetbearer
July 12, 2009, 09:02 PM
I just seen another post on this, and combining the Info from here and there, I believe I have my answer, Yes, I can send it home addressed to myself in the care of another person (wife) and she can just lock up the package till i get home.

Im in the Marines at NAS Pensacola, and while in the barracks here, you arent allowed to have weapons (shared barracks with sailors and airmen, enough injuries from fist fights as it is.) even nerf guns got taken away because we buddy rushed and cleared out the Air Force wing.

But thanks for the Info, going to double check my resources before i go back out in town.

NavyLCDR
July 13, 2009, 11:36 AM
While it is legal, good luck finding a carrier that will do it. The off-base storage unit would be the easiest until you can transport the gun yourself. Also, if it would fit in bank safe deposit box, that would be another possibility.

hatchetbearer
July 13, 2009, 09:06 PM
Sir,

I've sent out weapons, as a C&R before via UPS without incident. I doubt ill have any troubles here with them.

John Parker
July 13, 2009, 09:26 PM
What branch of service were you in? I served for 24 years in the US Army in many different jobs from Airborne Infantry, Nike missiles Ajax/Hercules repair, HAWK missile repair, radio/ radar repair, Avionics repair , Aircraft repair maintenance chief, company 1st Sgt and was required to qualify and/or familiarize annually with a rifle, .38 & .45 cal pistols, 12 ga shotgun, M79, LAW and M60 machine gun.

Chuck,

Out of curiousity, why are you pulling my posts from other threads and pasting them in here? They have nothing to do with this post.
To answer you, I started out as a cavalry scout, moved into HUMINT, and then on from there. And I do agree that most CCW classes are a waste of time, but the legal aspects that they cover (or should, at least) are pretty important.
And qualifying once per year doesn't automatically make one competent. I'm not saying that you aren't, but as a 1SG I'm sure you've had troops that were completely incompetent with most weapons systems.

Mags
July 13, 2009, 09:49 PM
They have nothing to do with this post.

Kinda like this post of yours in the thread talking about weapon mounted or handheld flashlights. Hunh?
Yawn. Light, no light, who cares?

John Parker
July 13, 2009, 10:18 PM
Actually, I addressed weaponlights in my post and wasn't copying something someone said somewhere else and putting into a new thread. Mags, did that seriously bother you so much that you got your friend to paste a post of mine from somewhere else to here? If so, wow, that's really creepy. Get over it, please, for your own good.

Mags
July 13, 2009, 10:20 PM
John,

Just curious what branch you are in and what rank?

John Parker
July 13, 2009, 10:22 PM
I'm Army and I'm an E-6. You?

Mags
July 13, 2009, 10:29 PM
What year did you join? Just because the M9 didn't have the two dot sight system till 2006 I don't know how you could make E-6 in 3 years.

John Parker
July 13, 2009, 10:31 PM
2001. Are you going to answer me now or what?

Mags
July 13, 2009, 10:33 PM
Air force E-5 were you carrying the 2 dot sights in 2001? I also joined in 2001 April to be exact.

John Parker
July 13, 2009, 10:34 PM
Nope, I didn't use an M9 back when I was a scout.

Mags
July 13, 2009, 10:35 PM
Ah I see thats all they give us in the Air Force that and the M4, figured you woulda qualified on M9 though. Nice pics whats with the beard?

John Parker
July 13, 2009, 10:42 PM
I did after I switched to human intelligence. Now I have to use that or the M11 (when I can get my hands on one...) almost all the time. Fun, huh? Am I believed yet or do I need to further prove things for you?

Mags
July 13, 2009, 10:44 PM
No not really, but this is the internet who cares. Alls well in my opinion.

John Parker
July 13, 2009, 10:46 PM
Well it matters so much to me. I'm glad that you'll quit crying about it now. What do you do in the Air Force, anyway?

Nice pics whats with the beard?

All part of the magic, baby.

Mags
July 13, 2009, 10:47 PM
Weapons 2w. Wow we pretty much thread jacked this whole thread.(My fault) poor guy.

John Parker
July 13, 2009, 10:51 PM
Aw...nukes? How cute! I work with OSI quite often. Maybe we can have a little meeting sometime! Wouldn't that be grand!!!

RockRifle
July 13, 2009, 10:51 PM
Don't be quick to consider this an option! I live in a state where firearms may not be stored in a storage unit. (the humidity and changes in temperature are not good also!)

+1 for a gunsmith... Also look to American Legion or VFW, those guys recognize your plight... Build friendships with local shooters.

Good Luck!

Mags
July 13, 2009, 10:52 PM
Sure. What does OSI have to do with it?

John Parker
July 13, 2009, 11:01 PM
I just mentioned that I work with them because they're AF, you're AF, so I'm at AF bases pretty often.

Mags
July 14, 2009, 12:23 PM
Cool if you're at Kirtland let me know I can arrange a tour for you. Since we don't deploy too much we normally get shot at by Para Rescue and SF for training them up. Every now and then we can go to Eagle Flag as well.

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