Hi-point 995TS vs 995 "classic"


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wnycollector
July 12, 2009, 11:01 AM
I have decided to pick up a hipoint 995. Now it's time to decide which one...the new TS model or the original model. The preice difference between the two is ~$60 ($200 vs 260). Any input would be appreciated.

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lipadj46
July 12, 2009, 11:08 AM
Get the new stock that way you won't feel the urge to upgrade later.

chris in va
July 12, 2009, 04:36 PM
I don't have any issues whatsoever with the 'old' style stock. I find the grip to be very ergonomic actually.

lipadj46
July 12, 2009, 04:39 PM
I don't have any issues whatsoever with the 'old' style stock. I find the grip to be very ergonomic actually.

Well I believe you may be in the minority there. I had a Hipoint 995 and the stock was too squishy for me. The ATI stock was a big improvement. I've seen pics of the new stock I've never actually felt one to see if is stiffer than the old gladware model though $60 extra seems reasonable.

dispatch55126
July 12, 2009, 04:48 PM
Well I believe you may be in the minority there. I had a Hipoint 995 and the stock was too squishy for me.

The stock is meant to be "squishy" as the stock is designed to absorb the recoil and hammering of the action. Being a blowback design, the energy has to go somewhere and the stock will flex slightly in the wrist. The ATI stock prevents this so all of the recoil is absorbed by the two receiver screws. If you have an ATI stock, look at the two bolts after firing several hundred rounds through it and you'll see that they are starting to bend.

jonnyc
July 12, 2009, 05:35 PM
I'd still get the cheaper 995 and an ATI stock. Just had mine out this morning, love it!

Animal Mother
July 12, 2009, 05:53 PM
I'd spend an extra $60 for the new stock model. IMO, the old stock was just ugly on a level exceeded only by a few other makes (think WWII Japanese machineguns).

I've been waiting for the 995TS to come out, I will be buying one.

lipadj46
July 12, 2009, 06:52 PM
The ATI stock prevents this so all of the recoil is absorbed by the two receiver screws. If you have an ATI stock, look at the two bolts after firing several hundred rounds through it and you'll see that they are starting to bend.

I like it, squishy stock is part of the recoil design. My ATI stock came with a buffer and I made a new one from slightly thicker O'ring material. I never noticed the receiver bolts bending on mine.

indie
July 12, 2009, 09:34 PM
you can get the 995ts much cheaper if you have your ffl order from southernohiogun.com

they have em for 199.95 + actual ups shipping to ffl

i was gonna get one, but i decided i want to get a saiga while i can if i can scrape up enough money.

giggitygiggity
July 12, 2009, 10:05 PM
Does anyone have pics of this new model? I could not find any on Hi Point's web site.

wnycollector
July 13, 2009, 08:55 AM
Indie, thanks for the SOG info! I will save ~$20 going that route...just enough for a 100 round box of WWB at wallymart:)

lipadj46
July 13, 2009, 09:10 AM
Does anyone have pics of this new model? I could not find any on Hi Point's web site.

I bet if you search over at the hipoint forums you will find it. Or google, it has been posted here too.

LemmyCaution
July 13, 2009, 10:46 AM
Does anyone have pics of this new model? I could not find any on Hi Point's web site.

https://www.southernohiogun.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/H/I/HIPT-995TSweb.jpg

dwnthehatch
July 13, 2009, 06:18 PM
I sold my "classic" about a week ago. I picked up My 995 TS today. It feels much sturdier than the "classic". The stock has a recoil reducing spring dampened butt stock. A big plus is that it also has the last round bolt open feature now. I got mine from SOG for $199 + shipping, the classic is $149 + shipping, mags are $12.95 + shipping.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/dwnthehatch/995TS/IMG_1866.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/dwnthehatch/995TS/IMG_1867.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/dwnthehatch/995TS/IMG_1860.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/dwnthehatch/995TS/IMG_1865.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/dwnthehatch/995TS/IMG_1863.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/dwnthehatch/995TS/IMG_1862.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/dwnthehatch/995TS/IMG_1861.jpg

lipadj46
July 13, 2009, 06:33 PM
Anyone who argues that is not an improvement and still buys the classic is nuts. It's still an ugly little plastic thing but it looks better IMO.

sohcgt2
July 13, 2009, 08:49 PM
The stock has a recoil reducing spring dampened butt stock.

Is this an issue w/9mm handgun ammo? Did someone complain recoil was uncontrollable?

lipadj46
July 13, 2009, 09:06 PM
Yeah it's a real shoulder buster :evil:

dispatch55126
July 13, 2009, 09:17 PM
I sold my 995 to finance an AR project but would definitely buy another 995 with this new stock. Are they still as accurate as they've always been?

conw
July 25, 2009, 04:27 PM
As the above poster hinted, it might be a good idea to wait a year or so for the beta test period to be over...firearms are precision instruments, make a little change to a proven design and it isn't proven any more. Does look cool though.

Georgia Gunner
July 25, 2009, 09:32 PM
Man I hope they make some hi-cap magazines soon!

MAX100
July 25, 2009, 09:58 PM
To take double stack mags, like the Glock mags, all that would need to be done is redesign the polymer pistol grip to accept them.

GC

conw
July 26, 2009, 04:13 PM
I never did figure out why they used single stack...

cane
July 26, 2009, 04:44 PM
At one time there was a person in Ohio who would take the triggerguard/magazine well from the Marlin "Camp Carbines" and modify them to fit just about any pistol magazine you wanted. I had a 9mm converted to take Glock magazines. This idea might be a "cottage industry" for someone.

lipadj46
July 26, 2009, 05:26 PM
People already have done that to varying degrees of success. Either soldering 2 mags together or soldering a single stack to a double stack. All kinds of mods (good and pointless) for that silly little rifle. At a certain point you might as well step up to an AR.

MAX100
July 26, 2009, 07:16 PM
At a certain point you might as well step up to an AR.

Many own a AR15 & Hi-Point carbine. An AR is not a HP carbine.


GC

Guvnor
July 26, 2009, 07:33 PM
As the above poster hinted, it might be a good idea to wait a year or so for the beta test period to be over...firearms are precision instruments, make a little change to a proven design and it isn't proven any more. Does look cool though.

Good point. I dont mind the look of the old design, maybe as a bonus the old style ones will be selling cheap since most people will want the new ones.

Are they discontinuing the old style or will they be manufacturing both? Their website doesnt even show the new style yet.

conw
July 26, 2009, 08:16 PM
No idea guv...would make more sense if they continued to mfr. both...

From a marketing standpoint, with so many people buying ATIs to upgrade, I understand why they did it. But functionally I see no problem with the original stock. It feels very fast and intuitive to me...

lipadj46
July 26, 2009, 08:51 PM
Many own a AR15 & Hi-Point carbine. An AR is not a HP carbine.

Yes and there are some people who only have a 995 and try to make it what it is not. I'm not knocking the hi point I used to own one and like it. I thought much higher of them at $160. At $250 no thank you.

MAX100
July 26, 2009, 09:45 PM
Yes and there are some people who only have a 995 and try to make it what it is not. I'm not knocking the hi point I used to own one and like it. I thought much higher of them at $160. At $250 no thank you.

People like the customize them like do with other firearms: AK & AR..ect

Prices don't stay the same. The price of most firearms go up about $20 every year consistently. The $160 basic HP carbine you bought a few years ago is now selling for around $189 New. Replace the stock with a ATI or the new TS stock and the price is around $250.

Example: Aks last year were selling for $100 less. Dealer cost has gone up that much.

$20 OR $30 extra is not big deal when the cost of ammo to feed it is so high.

You can burn up $50 worth of ammo in one outing.


GC

indie
August 9, 2009, 05:35 PM
to the guys still interested, the new hi point 995ts is at budsgunshop for 209 shipped.


i just picked myself up a saiga on gunbroker, but i would've jumped on this if i had the extra cash right now.

RX-178
August 9, 2009, 06:26 PM
Holding out for a 4095ts myself.

Already have a Sub-2000 in 9mm so it's harder for me to justify a second 9mm carbine.

It's also because I'm not really a big fan of the .40 S&W caliber, but I would like to be able to use it when it's marked down at Wally World, Academy, K-Mart, etc.

A Hi Point 4095 and a Hi Point .40 pistol would be just about perfect for that.

indie
August 9, 2009, 08:16 PM
looks like buds took down the 995ts link. Dont know whats up with that. but it was there for 209. Might have been a price mistake.

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