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Clint C
July 12, 2009, 01:02 PM
I have surfed this sight since 2005-2006 and became a member in early 2007. When I first started reading on this sight everyone would listen to what you had to say and conversate on it. It seems like with the wave of membership in the past two years ( especialy 2009) people seem to be know it alls and don't want to hear what you have to say. I have made a few suggestions on here lately and people go right on the defensive and start adding things to their story that you didn't know to begin with and try to make you out like an idiot or bad guy. I have had a lot of people try to belittle me from every way they can. I am here to say if you don't want people to give you their input then stay off of a public sight. At least don't blow up at every little thing someone suggest, listen to what they have to say, if you don't agree tell them why, and in a cool calm manner. Something I learned when I was a kidd " no one can make you mad, but yourself. In other words it is your choice to get mad. I feel people need to grow up and get some thicker skin, quit being so damn sensitive.

I am 29 years old and even I know that I will learn something from everyone, even if they are 99 years old or 5 years old.

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Doggy Daddy
July 12, 2009, 01:06 PM
I feel people need to grow up and get some thicker skin, quit being so damn sensitive.

Good advice.

DD

ConstitutionCowboy
July 12, 2009, 01:15 PM
... I have made a few suggestions on here lately and people go right on the defensive and start adding things to their story that you didn't know to begin with and try to make you out like an idiot or bad guy. I have had a lot of people try to belittle me from every way they can. ...

A few examples would help. Link to those threads you found offensive. We'll all work with you to resolve the issue.

Woody

Faitmaker
July 12, 2009, 01:15 PM
TBH, that statement reflects almost all forums, gun or not. Questions and/or statements, for some reason, bring out the attacks. I wish I could explain it.

shiftyer1
July 12, 2009, 01:23 PM
Some people just like to argue their point, it's really no different from face to face discussions.

Gadzooks Mike
July 12, 2009, 01:24 PM
Explain it? "We, the United States of the Offended...." It used to be that if somebody didn't like what they were hearing, they'd quit listening. Now they take it as a personal attack and sue.

Clint C
July 12, 2009, 01:25 PM
Here is the latest, and yes I did snap back a bit, but I appolagized.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=461744

Here is another, I might have asked for it here, but the belittling was ridiculous and got way of OP.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=461359

If you read through the threads you can find many of people getting mad and bent out of shape, and getting their feelings hurt.

bikerdoc
July 12, 2009, 01:35 PM
Clint C,

Best advice I can give you and everbody else is,

1 Continue to be HighRoad. Some buzz words and thoughts everybody could use more, might be tactfull, fact based, polite statements. When opinions, and preferences are involved state so.

2 Use the Report button. The mods cannot monitor all the posts without our help.

3 You can choose to ignore, or just agree to disagree.

4 Nobody has to listen to me. This is Just an old mans opinion. Going to take my nap now, bye.

Mags
July 12, 2009, 01:35 PM
Something to add. Maybe people shouldn't reference Wikipedia I know how to use the internet, I don't want to read wikipedia I want to know peoples personal experiences on THR.

Glockman17366
July 12, 2009, 01:39 PM
This forum is a lot politer and "adult" then many many others (gun related and other topics).
But, the OP is right...some folks just have to get a bit thicker skinned in some threads...maybe grow up a bit.

Clint C
July 12, 2009, 01:40 PM
I had no idea there would be such a huge response so fast. A lot of the ones I am describing are one were people just get their feeling hurt for no reason. I hate to report something and get a somewhat good thread shut down. Maybe thats what needs to happen though and people will quit being so sensitive.

I have stopped going to some sights because of this, and one because it just got to political for me. I like to come to these sights learn and teach, not to fight over pitty things.

runrabbitrun
July 12, 2009, 02:12 PM
OP
This happens at all types of forums.
But I've noticed a lot more hostility since the recession stared
to really effect a lot of people too.
So factor that in as well.

I used to hang out mostly at business type forums.
More or less eBay spin off forums for mom and pop merchants.

Really nasty people out here naturally as well.
So one must take it ALL with a grain of salt.
I've learned it's better to disengage (most the time)
than it is to spend my free time trying to reason with some people.

I'm guilty of flying off the handle myself on occasion too, I suppose.
But I can tell you when people say
and do stupid things, I tend to call them on it in the real world too.
Not so much as before though.
I don't get out much and interact with the public often any longer either
because there seems there are just too many inconsiderate people
out here and it seems so many lack common sense or common courtesy.

I may be one of them I supposed, because my tolerance for this type behavior is
pretty much what has me in and out of stores quick and back in my cave, my comfort zone,
my place where sanity and common sense still apply.

As my great departed father would say.

The whole world is in trouble.

musick
July 12, 2009, 02:18 PM
I have surfed this sight since 2005-2006 and became a member in early 2007. When I first started reading on this sight everyone would listen to what you had to say and conversate on it. It seems like with the wave of membership in the past two years ( especialy 2009) people seem to be know it alls and don't want to hear what you have to say. I have made a few suggestions on here lately and people go right on the defensive and start adding things to their story that you didn't know to begin with and try to make you out like an idiot or bad guy. I have had a lot of people try to belittle me from every way they can. I am here to say if you don't want people to give you their input then stay off of a public sight. At least don't blow up at every little thing someone suggest, listen to what they have to say, if you don't agree tell them why, and in a cool calm manner. Something I learned when I was a kidd " no one can make you mad, but yourself. In other words it is your choice to get mad. I feel people need to grow up and get some thicker skin, quit being so damn sensitive.

I am 29 years old and even I know that I will learn something from everyone, even if they are 99 years old or 5 years old.

Heres something for you: this is a site, not a "sight". Not trying to be an a$$, just a huge peeve of mine. I think texting and the internet is going to be the end of proper grammer. You're, your. A lot, alot. Break, brake. :banghead:

But I digress...

The internet allows people to say things and act in a manner that they NEVER would in public (I have to disagree with post #5). I have come to the conclusion that this will never change. I just choose websites that have a minimal amount of unconstructive behavior. THR is not perfect, but is the best gun forum I have found.

musick
July 12, 2009, 02:34 PM
Explain it? "We, the United States of the Offended...." It used to be that if somebody didn't like what they were hearing, they'd quit listening. Now they take it as a personal attack and sue.

So true.

The US Constitution guarantees Freedom of speech (:D )but does NOT guarantee the freedom to not be offended. As a matter of fact, it was designed to protect that very type of speech.

B yond
July 12, 2009, 02:54 PM
It's not just you. There are a few THR members (most of whom have just joined in the last year or so) whose comments I dread. They offer little to the topic at hand and often come off as arrogant know-it-alls, commonly putting down other members. I wish there was a system in place to prevent this sort of thing on THR, as I enjoyed it much more when I could ask a question or respond to one without the usual suspects calling be stupid or a liar or telling me I must be wrong because that's not how "the pros (they see on the Outdoor Channel) do it."

bikerdoc
July 12, 2009, 02:55 PM
Clint C said,

I hate to report something and get a somewhat good thread shut down.

Not all reported threads get shut down. Most reported posters get a PM from the mod (Yes, I have gotten them) Educating or counciling them on forum rules.

Now back to my nap!!

workingdog
July 12, 2009, 02:57 PM
Also, it's easy to read a tone into a message that wasn't intended by the person posting it, often because of the vocabulary that's used. I try to keep an even keel in my emotional mind while reading posts to avoid this problem.

B yond
July 12, 2009, 03:09 PM
I wonder if thehighroad.us is any better? perhaps it has more of the members from 'the good 'ole days..."

amflyer
July 12, 2009, 03:10 PM
Well, after reading the two threads you posted as evidence, I'm not so sure what you would expect.

First thread, some proud papa posts about his son. He didn't ask advice or a question, just bragging 'bout his children. He didn't ask for your advice.

Second post, you post a pretty controversial remark, for whatever reason. Of course you're going to get comments similar to what you wrote but from the opposite standpoint.

Unless you get paid to write them, or someone asks you, maybe hesitate to offer your $0.02.

And lastly, this site is probably better than a lot of other sites on the web for manners.

9mmepiphany
July 12, 2009, 03:21 PM
everyone would listen to what you had to say and conversate on it.

conversate isn't the verb form of conversation...the verb is converse

B yond
July 12, 2009, 03:29 PM
people seem to be know it alls

conversate isn't the verb form of conversation...the verb is converse

Heres something for you: this is a site, not a "sight".

:) :)

BMF500
July 12, 2009, 03:30 PM
Here is the latest, and yes I did snap back a bit, but I appolagized.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=461744

Here is another, I might have asked for it here, but the belittling was ridiculous and got way of OP.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=461359

If you read through the threads you can find many of people getting mad and bent out of shape, and getting their feelings hurt.
Wow, that second string is hardcore...

AKElroy
July 12, 2009, 03:46 PM
I will never tell someone how to raise their kids.

In my opinion though that is way to much rifle for a 8 year old boy and he should not be on a scoped rifle either.

Start out with a BB gun, then a pellet rifle, then a .22lr, next comes a shotgun, and none of these should have a scope on them. Kids need to learn how to shoot before they can use a scope.

Sorry if this offends, but this is how it is.

Clint, this is the link to the example you gave of innapropriate responses in THR. You posted this in a Thread I started to celebrate my son's first deer rifle. This thread is still running with dozens of terrific posts from proud parents talking about their joy in seeing their child enjoying their first gun, as well as numerous post from people remembering chilhood experiences. The above was the only negative post in that thread, and it was simply out of place. I agree with everything you stated in opening THIS thread; I really think you could benefit from heeding your own good advice.

AKElroy
July 12, 2009, 03:57 PM
Clint--I posted above before reading your apology in the other thread. I appreciate your comments; we are cool---Be safe.

AK

R.W.Dale
July 12, 2009, 03:58 PM
I agree this entire discussion is clouded by a HUGE pot calling the kettle black contingent.

Am I guilty of this behavior at times YES

But do I try to feign sainthood in another thread complaining about others actions I engage in as well......NO

george29
July 12, 2009, 04:06 PM
I feel people need to grow up and get some thicker skin, quit being so damn sensitive. Why y'all pickin on me all the time.

happygeek
July 12, 2009, 04:22 PM
THR does seem like a pretty good place as far as Internet forums go. As far as the two threads mentioned, one started by bashing a particular gun. What do you expect with a OC vs CC, AK vs AR, Mac vs PC, Intel vs AMD, nVidia vs ATI, Ford vs Chevy, and so on type thread?

THR still has a lot of good info, I found the site while Googling for a M1A zero target I could print and just lately I read a good thread on scopes, which is the next step for me.

mnrivrat
July 12, 2009, 04:25 PM
Heres something for you: this is a site, not a "sight". Not trying to be an a$$, just a huge peeve of mine. I think texting and the internet is going to be the end of proper grammer. You're, your. A lot, alot. Break, brake.

And here is one of my annoying triggers - it does not have relavence to the subject matter . Spelling and grammer policing seems an inherant part of some peoples needs, regardless of the subject matter. I believe it is almost always off topic and annoying.
If one has nothing to say regarding the topic at hand , they should say nothing. Not turn every post into a spelling bee,

TEDDY
July 12, 2009, 05:09 PM
you ought to go on the main news comments.the worst language and comments,its the new culture.cursing seems the only words they know.and it seems from the content it is all the liberal posters.
oh well back to guns .bye

rainbowbob
July 12, 2009, 05:13 PM
Heres something for you: this is a site, not a "sight". Not trying to be an a$$, just a huge peeve of mine. I think texting and the internet is going to be the end of proper grammer. You're, your. A lot, alot. Break, brake.


Spelling and grammer policing seems an inherant part of some peoples needs, regardless of the subject matter. I believe it is almost always off topic and annoying.



While I agree that a thread should not turn into a spelling bee or a grammar lesson - it is also one of my peeves.

Using the spell-check feature would eliminate much of it and only takes a second. Using the "enter" button to break up your prose into paragraphs also helps.

It isn't about perfection...it's about readability. I think everyone has something to contribute, but when I have to decipher what the poster is trying to communicate with incorrect word usage and/or wade through a page of run-on words with no break for a new thought - I just skip those posts.



BTW, "musick" is spelled "music". :neener:

musick
July 12, 2009, 05:14 PM
And here is one of my annoying triggers - it does not have relavence to the subject matter . Spelling and grammer policing seems an inherant part of some peoples needs, regardless of the subject matter. I believe it is almost always off topic and annoying.
If one has nothing to say regarding the topic at hand , they should say nothing. Not turn every post into a spelling bee,

The quality of language you are exposed to most often is the quality of language that you adopt. This is the reason why Latvians have Latvian accents and why Irish people have Irish accents for example. It is the language we are exposed to, and thus we adopt it.

For written expression, nothing influences people as much as what they read and write themselves. The way you type affects you in several ways: how well you communicate your ideas, how people reading your messages view you, and how well you type in the future.

We were given eight fingers and two thumbs so you could use them all on a keyboard, not so you can be a slacker and just use three to “save time”. Your typing style is a habit. Unless you take steps to fix it, you are going to be typing like that for a while. I can tell you now that that is a bad thing.

The lack of apostrophes in internet forums, for whatever reason, does not bother me a whole lot. I am guilty of that faux pas myself. The occasional spelling error from a poster - I can tolerate that. But when someone creates a post asking about needing allot of help regarding the best break pads 4 there car is, well, I pass immediate judgement on that person.

Understand, I am not trying to belittle your pet peeve, but wanted to add clarity to my own.

musick
July 12, 2009, 05:21 PM
BTW, "musick" is spelled "music". :neener:

Only if it is in reference to organized sound instead of someones name.

:neener::neener::neener:

:) ;)

rainbowbob
July 12, 2009, 05:30 PM
We were given eight fingers and two thumbs so you could use them all on a keyboard, not so you can be a slacker and just use three to “save time”. Your typing style is a habit. Unless you take steps to fix it, you are going to be typing like that for a while. I can tell you now that that is a bad thing.

Well we're now veering way off topic - but what the heck.

I've written complex 25 page NIH grant applications using four fingers and two thumbs. I can assure you that if they aren't well written (i.e., spelling, grammar, and formatting) they don't even get reviewed. I've never learned to type properly - and I'm too old to care any more. Typing style has NOTHING to do with good writing. Effort does.

If a writer doesn't care enough about what he or she is writing to put in the minimal effort to meet the rudimentary requirements for readability - why should I care enough to read it?

John Parker
July 12, 2009, 05:39 PM
Is this a joke?

Clint C
July 12, 2009, 05:44 PM
Heres something for you: this is a site, not a "sight". Not trying to be an a$$, just a huge peeve of mine. I think texting and the internet is going to be the end of proper grammer. You're, your. A lot, alot. Break, brake.

Then there is always this guy. oh you are so smart.:neener: If I wanted to have proper grammer I would go to a grammer "site". Notice the join date- 05-19-09, you have proved one of my points precisely.

The above was the only negative post in that thread

AKElroy, it was not ment to be negative, it was ment to be informative, I understand you getting mad, but understand I didn't have all the facts. I lashed back at you and that was wrong of me. I should have explained myself better after your post towards me. Yes we are cool.

rainbowbob
July 12, 2009, 05:46 PM
Only if it is in reference to organized sound instead of someones name.

OK...Perhaps you are a descendant of George Musick...but there is no such word as "someones". :scrutiny:

Gun Slinger
July 12, 2009, 05:59 PM
Well, this thread is sure on its way to demonstrating/illustrating the OPs point by degenerating into a sniping contest over grammar and spelling.

To the OP: Nope, apparently it isn't just you. Lots of anger out there these days and it's sad that it has come to this.

Suppose we could just throw a bucket of gasoline on this fire by asking: Which is better? The .45 or 9mm?


:evil:

Hud
July 12, 2009, 06:10 PM
Is this a joke?
No, I believe they are serious, but not serious enough.

Quote:
Heres something for you: this is a site, not a "sight". Not trying to be an a$$, just a huge peeve of mine. I think texting and the internet is going to be the end of proper grammer. You're, your. A lot, alot. Break, brake.


If I wanted to have proper grammer I would go to a grammer "site".

Quote:
Spelling and grammer policing seems an inherant part of some peoples needs, regardless of the subject matter. I believe it is almost always off topic and annoying.


While I agree that a thread should not turn into a spelling bee or a grammer lesson - it is also one of my peeves.


This is fun.
rainbowbob finally got it right:

I can assure you that if they aren't well written (i.e., spelling, grammar, and formatting)

ezypikns
July 12, 2009, 06:23 PM
says it all. It's my impression that this forum was created with the idea that folks could communicate politely (within reason).

I think there may be a little less courtesty than there once was. But on the whole, it's still more hospitable than a lot of "sites".

I've found "The High Road" a great place to find good information and gather some valuable opinions from some folks through the years.

I will say this though, if you're looking for an argument, this ain't a bad place to start.

Boba Fett
July 12, 2009, 06:27 PM
Posted by Clint C:Then there is always this guy. oh you are so smart. If I wanted to have proper grammer I would go to a grammer "site". Notice the join date- 05-19-09, you have proved one of my points precisely.

Actually, it's grammar. :evil:

And using someone's join date as some sort of club to try to prove something is rather childish and completely unproductive. As the OP said, it only serves to "belittle" them and lacks a "cool calmness." It adds nothing and only proves that perhaps you, the OP, who started this lockable thread (IMHO) might want to take your own advice.



So to answer your question, I submit that it is probably just you. :cool:

P.S. Maybe a poll next time? That way we could vote on if it is just you... :D


*edit*
Posted by Clint C:
I am 29 years old and even I know that I will learn something from everyone, even if they are 99 years old or 5 years old.


Apparently, this doesn't apply if they joined the forum after you did...

rainbowbob
July 12, 2009, 06:30 PM
rainbowbob finally got it right:

Yeah...but I had to go back and edit my own misspellings! :o


Like I said...perfection and correcting others is not the goal. However, readability should be - if you want your posts to be read by the largest possible audience.

gunnie
July 12, 2009, 06:52 PM
we all have a right to our opinion[s]. whether ill advised or thoroughly investigated. a little friction is going to happen, either way. it is a good thing, as disagreement is how we settle on better solutions.

show me the man who doesn't get mad and make remarks he later regrets, and i'll show you lobotomy scars.

i suppose the real answer is that in order to obtain forgiveness, we must give the same.

gunnie

Clint C
July 12, 2009, 07:05 PM
People getting mad at input makes me want to keep to myself. Maybe I will.

gunnie
July 12, 2009, 07:20 PM
ClintC,

and what then, let them bully you into silence? just go on adding your opinion into the mix. the more ideas we have to sort through, the better/more accurate the conclusions drawn from it will be.

gunnie

rbernie
July 12, 2009, 08:34 PM
ClintC - your behavior in many threads, and specifically the Marlin/Winchecter94 thread, is just shy of trollish. You tend to sound rude, condescending, antagonistic, and appear to do whatever you can to ENCOURAGE an argument. Whatever you get in return is engendered almost entirely by the approach that you bring to the table.

If you want people to treat you better, you might want to ditch the attitude.

Clint C
July 12, 2009, 08:41 PM
hmmmm

Clint C
July 12, 2009, 08:55 PM
rbernie, I just went through all my post and have come to the conclusion you don't know what the hell you are talking about. I have never said anything to anyone that didn't say something to me first. In the Marlin/Winchecter94 thread I was commended for having High Road-style restraint here is the post.

Don't own either one, Marlin or Winchester, but a lever action .30-30 is next on my list. Thanks for starting the thread, Clint. You've shown High Road-style restraint too in response to some non-High Road-style personal attacks, so I commend you.

I read something once and it went something like this: You will have bad followers when they have bad leadership. I find that to be very true at this site. Good bye all, you have just lost a contributor to this site.

ezypikns
July 12, 2009, 08:59 PM
our loss.........I guess.

seanie!
July 12, 2009, 09:04 PM
I will never tell someone how to raise their kids.

In my opinion though that is way to much rifle for a 8 year old boy and he should not be on a scoped rifle either.

Start out with a BB gun, then a pellet rifle, then a .22lr, next comes a shotgun, and none of these should have a scope on them. Kids need to learn how to shoot before they can use a scope.

Sorry if this offends, but this is how it is.

Seems to me that in the first thread you listed as an example, you were the first one with anything condescending to say. That strikes me as odd.

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