[crebralfix]

Nevada decided that Utah permits are no longer honored. They want the $100 for a non-resident permit that they cannot issue in the next few weeks. Furthermore, the LV administration has decided that open carry is not acceptable on The Strip. So...I have no option to legally carry concealed and no option to openly carry without police harassment. My gun rights are effectively nullified for the duration of my vacation.

Is anyone interested in joining us for a little one or two hour OPEN CARRY stroll on the Las Vegas Strip sometime on July 27, 28 or 29 (date/time TBD at this moment)?

The plan is to wander up and down the strip for a bit, enjoying the sights, talking guns and handing out flyers to those interested in learning about RKBA. It's not a protest, rally or really even a event...just a bunch of people walking around who happen to have guns and video recorders.

[crebralfix]

Obviously, this is something for the locals. Ideally, I'd like to get 20 or more participants.

Date is up in the air, but should be easy to do over lunch if you have to work.

We could also have an OC lunch after our little stroll.

[Marlin 45 carbine]

my parents live in LV, maybe it's a good idea but maybe a better would be to peacefully gather in front of the State assembly?

[Oldtrader3]

That's all I need is a carry violation! Even a misdemeanor, is bye-bye, concealed carry permit. Stupid idea!

[crebralfix]

That's all I need is a carry violation! Even a misdemeanor, is bye-bye, concealed carry permit. Stupid idea!

What violation would that be? Open carry is LEGAL in the state of Nevada. So I'm not sure what you could be convicted of.

[ants]

Some actions are perfectly legal, but probably not very effective.


Friend, it is difficult to expect local residents to be very interested in your problem and join your demonstration. Your problem is that you are not a resident and don't have a Nevada Concealed Firearms Permit. Perhaps a group of non-residents would be more willing to help you.



Furthermore, the LV administration has decided that open carry is not acceptable on The Strip.
No, the LV administration has no jurisdiction on The Strip. It is in Clark County, not the city of Las Vegas. Do your research on Clark County and you will find out what you'll be detained for. You seem like a nice guy, but you probably need to get more facts straight before organizing an effective demonstration.

[taprackbang]

The plan is to wander up and down the strip for a bit, enjoying the sights, talking guns and handing out flyers to those interested in learning about RKBA.

Keep up the good work.

[Oyeboten]

I doubt any 'local residents' would ever have any reason to experience the disgusting idiocy and grotesque of 'the strip' to even be present.


I have had nothing to do with the Las Vegas Strip for about 25 years now..or since the mid '80s anyway.

I avoid it at all costs.


No one I know who lives here ever goes near it.



Various 'rulings' have also established, that the Sidewalks or other pedestrian walkways are all the private Property of the Hotels and Casinos...so, probably, logistially, aside from the asphalt Street paving itself, the 'Strip' offers no actual 'Public' property for anyone to do any sort of activism or other demonstration in or on.


No matter where one may be on the Strip...unless in the Roadway itself, one is 'on' private property, and is subject to whatever conditions the property owners happen to have.



Phil

[Quiet]

nevermind, just notice you already posted a thread on opencarry.org

[atomd]

Various 'rulings' have also established, that the Sidewalks or other pedestrian walkways are all the private Property of the Hotels and Casinos...so, probably, logistially, aside from the asphalt Street paving itself, the 'Strip' offers no actual 'Public' property for anyone to do any sort of activism or other demonstration in or on.


I'm not sure about Nevada, but most places consider a certain distance from the center of a public roadway to be public property. Usually it's a good amount wider than the actual paved surface of the road.

I'm sure there are tons of privately owned walkways, pedestrian bridges, etc etc all over that place though so you would have to do some homework and pick the right place to do it.

[BornAgainBullseye]

humm..... I can see it on all the communist controlled media outlets.. MSNBC NBC ABC.. Armed Extremists march on Las Vegas..... all 20 were arrested none had valid permits.... Just campaign against whoever put forth the policy or law and make their names public on message boards. Report them to the NRA and here. Also carbon copy all of this to their email so they can see what kind of outrage their policy has made... but most likely they just want the extra revinue because the State is trying anything to make up for their budget shortfall. Im sure if you live in Navada then you will soon be taxed on the air you breathe of you are not already.

[Oyeboten]

The 'Strip' is continuously swarmed and chocked full with idiot tourists from all over the world...wan and sorry gumpers gawking till exhaustion in their sagging baggy shorts and logo/statement tee-shirts, lumpy sodden wives and annoying children by-the-hand.


Traffic is a consant traffic-jam.


Metro, is probably at their perpetual friendliest and most gentle and patient and vigilant in various Bicycle and other patrolling of this unsightly and perpetual swarm of humanities margainal least.


It is simply a very bad setting to intend any Open Carry 'demonstration'.


The tourists will not understand...some may panic...all of the sidewalks are the private property of the Casinos, whose Security personel would have the right legally to apprehend or subdue anyone violating their proprietary rules of demeanor...and no matter how you slice it, the gesture is not suited to the realities of location, setting, and milieu.


Metro and Casino/Hotel Security people are very observant of anyone intimating cues or hints of any sort of threat, scam, or prologues of robbery or mayhem...or anyone appearing to be not-tracking or not keeping themselves in line with what is 'acceptable'...they are very observant of what they feel may be 'Nut Cases' who are out-of-step with 'appropriate' self-regulation.


It's their 'turf'...it is not a 'public' thoroughfare belonging to the Public, in any usual sense.

[hso]

Folks,

Let's stay focused on this topic and not wander off down roads that will get this thread closed or deleted.

[jhco]

As its already been said tourist will not get the point, and the only attention you will get is from police and thats not good for anyone. BAD IDEA. If you really must do this then go to a less tourist populated place that is still busy this may help you get the right kind of attention.

[Norinco982lover]

Is there anywhere you can carry concealed (with a valid permit) ON the strip?


~Norinco

[crebralfix]

Just think how successful the gun community would be if all the nay-sayers actually stood up and took action in support of our RKBA. This is one of those actions. Instead, every one of those people are afraid to actually do something.

This attitude certainly explains why the RKBA has become so limited over the past 40-60 years.

[Colt Smith]

crebralfix,

I think everybody here is behind your good intentions. We just don't want to see your efforts backfire. We share your frustration and disgust. But having a poorly thought out (though well meaning) plan blow up in your face could set us back years or decades. Bad press painting us as gun nuts is far more costly than what seems like inaction. Pick your fights and where you fight them wisely.

[crebralfix]

No, they weren't behind it. I had 17-20 folks say they'd show, but only one or two actually emailed me per instructions. I went to Vegas, was denied my rights and I flew home.

Now I understand how gun owners really behave when it comes to standing up for their rights. I shouldn't be surprised since so few will show up for self-defense training.

[mljdeckard]

Don't whine about gun owners. This was an iffy idea to begin with.

[Rick-F]

Good read her about open carry:

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2009/jul/15/cover/

[Norinco982lover]

Nobody answered my question. Can't you conceal carry just fine on the strip?

[clem]

Do your protest, but with empty holsters!


They, citizens and politicians, will still get the idea.

[JESmith]

It was really stupid idea. I am glad most people had the good sense not to participate.

[ezypikns]

Now I understand how gun owners really behave when it comes to standing up for their rights. I shouldn't be surprised since so few will show up for self-defense training.

I've never been arrested. Don't know what the inside of a jail looks like. I'd just as soon keep it that way.

Please don't accuse the rest of us of cowardice if our goal is to be law abiding citizens.

If you feel like you've been wronged, you do what you need to do.

Kind of reminds me of a drunk picking a fight with a bunch of big old boys and then turning to his sober friends and saying something like, "Come on boys, we can take 'em.".

[crebralfix]

Everyone, just stop!

I've asked the mods to close the thread because we're long past the event.

And, yes, most gun owners are wimpy little statist turds. Just look at the hand wringing over open carry at rallies. Good God, you* people are sheep.


*For those of you that open carry and/or activists (even if you don't OC or only OC as a statement), you are not included in the above.

[crebralfix]

JESmith...go back to your hut, peasant.

[crebralfix]

Nope, Nevada decide the Utah CCW permit isn't good anymore. Virginia's permit isn't good enough either. Apparently, $100 gets one a nice, new Nevada permit. Nothing like getting jacked up at the border for a state license!

[crebralfix]

mljdeckard, go back to your hut, peasant!

[crebralfix]

Crud, what's taking the moderators so long to close down the thread??

[Six]

I believe you can close it, under thread tools.

(Or is that only under BST forums?)

[crebralfix]

Unfortunately, there's no linky under the thread tools menu. PM'd hso hours ago, but he's probably at work.

[mljdeckard]

Yes, I think when you are reduced to name calling it's time to stop.

[JESmith]

Hey I am an open carry advocate ... Just not Vegas Strip

[mljdeckard]

And you sir, are not in a position to question my loyalty, patriotism, or dedication, past, present, or future, in defending the Constitution of the United States, conservative ideal, or fundamental human rights. This is The High Road. If it's too high for you, maybe you should post elsewhere.

[crebralfix]

Ah, excellent JESmith!! That's great news to hear!

[crebralfix]

Ah, but I am mljdeckard. You have shown yourself for what you truly are: a peasant. You're not even willing to engage in a legal activity by standing up to petty tyrants. Go back to your garden.

[ants]

For your information, crebralfix, there is an active Open Carry group in Las Vegas organizing events every year. Their events are well thought out, carefully organized, and effective while the participants are ladies and gentlemen. This sends the best message, and their efforts are to be applauded. Perhaps next time you can join them.

[KBintheSLC]

crebralfix,

I would recommend you put your money where your mouth is. Boycott tourism to destinations that decline reciprocity. There are plenty of places to visit that will honor your UT permit. I recommend that you do not to patronize places that do not recognize and respect your rights.

Money talks.

[crebralfix]

I chose LV BECAUSE of reciprocity...except I didn't know that NV was going to revoke it July 1, 2009. I would have CCW'd happily all day long everywhere. At that point, I decided to not waste the money.

What I was upset about was getting jacked up by a state for a $100 permit on a right I'm supposed to have anyway. Then, I cruised around various NV forums and found out LV has decided they don't like citizens openly acting like citizens and are prone to harass them.

Additionally, I do NOT step into states such as NY, MD, NJ and so forth. I have literally driven around MD and other states. Family members don't like it at all; they're all about "convenience" and "getting along"...which is why we're in this predicament in the first place. "Go along with the system"...encouraged by the peasants on TV and in society. Look at the hysteria over some guy with a pistol "near" The Boy King. Heaven forbid that someone remember that a President drives by thousands of guns daily if he passes through a residential area (or a downtown area with apartments).

And for your information, when peasants come into MY thread and start stinking it up, I WON'T be nice to them.


"It's better to be good than to be nice."

--Some author I cannot remember


Think about it.

[Mal H]

"I've asked the mods to close the thread because we're long past the event."