9mm and wc styl pill


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flipajig
July 12, 2009, 10:57 PM
Ive been loading cast rn for my ruger p95 with great resultes my problem is im running out im down to my last 500 and im going to load them on tue.(IDPA and Action pistol = lots of shooting) so ive found a local suplyer he has rn and a wc style of pill so i bought 100 of the rn for $5.00 and he gave me 100 of the wc style so i was wondering if anyone has tryed them.(the WC style of pill) My recipe is 125grn lrn 4.4grn of w231 cci primer and mix cases with a coal of 1.165 and running around 1020 rpms. (This works with my gun and i dont know about yours). thanks

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rcmodel
July 13, 2009, 11:37 AM
I have no idea what a "WC style pill" in 9mm looks like.

Generally, all the 9mm lead bullets are RN, RNFP, or TC shape.
Don't know that I ever saw a true WC bullet made for 9mm, and very few SWC style.

Since you appear to be running a max charge with your present load, I'd back off a bit on the "WC pills" and work back up.

rc

flipajig
July 13, 2009, 01:03 PM
depending on what reloding book your looking at im about 1/2 to a 1 gn under max (I take my reloading verry serious I like my hands a eyes) Im wondering about feeding
I have a m94 winchester in 44mag and im haveing problems with SWC and feeding. They (the 9mm) may be a TC style but they do look like a SWC.

rcmodel
July 13, 2009, 01:17 PM
Well, I'm looking at Hodgdons manual, who is the distributer for WW-231 powder.
They say 4.4 is a max load with a 125 LRN.

And I'm looking at Lyman #49, and they say 4.1 is max with a RN and 4.4 is Max with a TC.

SO, I assume your 4.4 load is about max.

Does your bullet have a Wad Cutter shoulder behind the TC ogive?
If it doesn't, it is a TC not a WC or SWC.

rc

Walkalong
July 13, 2009, 02:52 PM
Yep, most likely a TrFP (Truncated Flat Point)

Does it look like this 120 Gr TCBB Penn bullet (http://www.pennbullets.com/9mm/9mm-caliber.html)? (Truncated Bevel Base)

flipajig
July 13, 2009, 03:37 PM
as for the bullet the one on the left is a 240grn SWC for my 44mag
the center is a LRN 122grn 9mm
the one on the right is a 122grn 9mm (looks to be a SWC)
the single pic is a close up of the 9mm
im searry for the fuzzy pic
as for the load I started at 3.6 or 3.7 and worked up went to 4.6 and didn't like it went back to 4.4 cycles my gun with no problems and no presure signs
no flat primers or bulging cases after 1500 rds or so.

Jim Watson
July 13, 2009, 03:43 PM
The old Bull-X casting company had 140 and 150 grain true SWCs for 9mm. They shot very well, but Bull-X is long gone and few other casters offer the style. I think Meister has them.

rcmodel
July 13, 2009, 03:45 PM
O.K.

Thats a SWC .38/.357 Revolver bullet sized down to fit a 9mm.
At least it appears to have a revolver roll-crimp groove in it as best I can see the picture.

It may feed in a semi-auto, or it may not.
Only way to tell is try it.

rc

Quoheleth
July 13, 2009, 03:51 PM
To the point, if you want an outstanding cast provider, check Missouri Bullet - he's a THR member, here - who provides outstanding product, outstanding service, and outstanding people to back it up.

They have a couple of 9mm bullets to choose from...

Q

flipajig
July 13, 2009, 04:17 PM
thanks for the feed back I was looking at Missouri bullet co and was going to order from them untill I ran across these bullets. If they dont work out then thats the way i will probably go. They also offer a RNFP for the 44's and im looking to order some from them for my M94 winchester.

Roccobro
July 13, 2009, 04:30 PM
Please post your results. Always interested in new things my Ruger P95 would digest.

Justin

flipajig
July 13, 2009, 04:42 PM
I will so far mine has digested everything ive fed it.

Cloudpeak
July 13, 2009, 06:58 PM
I've shot thousands of the Lee 105gr SWC bullet through a: M&P, CZ Compact, Kahr CW5 and STI Trojan. I size the bullets to .357". This bullet worked 100% in my M&P, Kahr and STI (after I bought Springfield mags). I had occasional ftf's in the CZ due to the mag's feed lip design. Very accurate and my lead supply will last a long time with these little guys:D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/WyoBob/Targets/DSCN1581.jpg

angus6
August 27, 2009, 10:41 AM
I've shot thousands of the Lee 105gr SWC bullet through a: M&P, CZ Compact, Kahr CW5 and STI Trojan. I size the bullets to .357". This bullet worked 100% in my M&P, Kahr and STI (after I bought Springfield mags). I had occasional ftf's in the CZ due to the mag's feed lip design. Very accurate and my lead supply will last a long time with these little guys

That's what I was looking to see , want to try getting my casting down to as few sizes as possible . Going to have to try them at .356 as I haven't got a .357

Cloudpeak
August 27, 2009, 10:54 AM
That's what I was looking to see , want to try getting my casting down to as few sizes as possible . Going to have to try them at .356 as I haven't got a .357

You can buy a Lee push through sizer in .357" for around $14.00. You may get some leading at .356" depending on your bore diameter.

Some folks shoot bullets out of their Lee 6 cavity molds as cast. I've always run everything through a push through sizer and have noticed that, every once-in-awhile, I have a bullet that pushes through with great difficulty. Perhaps, being tired after lots of casting, I failed to keep the mold halves tight? Whatever reason, I don't want to take a chance on loading an oversized diameter bullet due to possible pressure and feeding issues.

The lighter bullet may shoot low so, if you have fixed sights, that could be a problem.

If you'd like to try some of the 105's, perhaps we can do a WW ingot/bullet swap. PM me if interested.

myg30
August 27, 2009, 10:22 PM
Newbee 9 question about the LRN 125'ers. Several different load manuals have different col's for the same style bullet/powder. My question ...do you load them long 1.140-160 ?It drives me stirrcrazy. I understand longer col is less pressure.
Thanks for any help.

Mike

Cloudpeak
August 27, 2009, 11:18 PM
Newbee 9 question about the LRN 125'ers. Several different load manuals have different col's for the same style bullet/powder. My question ...do you load them long 1.140-160 ?It drives me stirrcrazy. I understand longer col is less pressure.Thanks for any help.
Mike

Mike,

I load my Lee 124gr RN lead bullets to 1.125". I'm using mid range loadings of 3.6 grains of W231 lubed with LLA, a lower pressure round. This loading has worked through all of the 9mm's that I've owned/own. Best group with this loading for me was out of my STI Trojan, 5 shots at 7 yards from a bench of .26".

I always load up dummy rounds and check for proper chambering, i.e. case rim flush with barrel hood. I like to load as long as possible so long as the round works in the magazine and feeds/chambers properly.

rjbishop
August 28, 2009, 10:37 AM
I've shot thousands of the Lee 105gr SWC bullet through a: M&P, CZ Compact, Kahr CW5 and STI Trojan. I size the bullets to .357". This bullet worked 100% in my M&P, Kahr and STI (after I bought Springfield mags).

Cloudpeak- are you tumble lubing these? I am about to start casting with these, and am thinking of going with Red-Dot (all I have that is suitable, I believe. I have AA #5 and WSF as well). With that load, have you had a chance to get any chrono readings?

It does look like a great plinking load, and I'm amazed at the accuracy you got with it.

Cloudpeak
August 28, 2009, 10:47 AM
Cloudpeak- are you tumble lubing these? I am about to start casting with these, and am thinking of going with Red-Dot (all I have that is suitable, I believe. I have AA #5 and WSF as well). With that load, have you had a chance to get any chrono readings?

It does look like a great plinking load, and I'm amazed at the accuracy you got with it.

The bullet is very accurate in my STI Trojan, as well. Best group- .345" from a bench at 7 yards (four shots. One flyer ruined the 5 shot group). Same with the M&P full size I used to own. Four shots .383" offhand at 7 yards with one flyer enlarging the group to 1.30":()

I tumble lube with LLA/XLox. Xlox is very similar if not identical to LLA and is cheaper. I can be found here: http://www.lsstuff.com/lube/index.html

Sorry, I have not chronographed this load.

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