polish 7.62x25 ammo from J&G


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spence
July 13, 2009, 12:53 AM
IT was made in the fiftys comes 720 to a brown box . is it any good? is it for pistols(tokarevs) ?

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Birdmang
July 13, 2009, 12:58 AM
I read the reviews on this today and they were all good. Its probably corrosive and berdan primed. It is for the TT33/ppsh/some other guns. I am buying some soon.

jonnyc
July 13, 2009, 11:27 AM
I've been very happy with it, both as a shooter and collector. And it is definitely corrosive and Berdan primed.

spence
July 13, 2009, 10:36 PM
I'm going to buy some too (7.62z25 from j&g) . what is the best method, or agood one,to clean the bbl. afterwords? I've been spraying Hoppes down the bbl at the range then at home , brass brush ,liquid hoppes,patches, then patcheswith oil. does anyone think a cz52 is a worthwhile purchase if one already has a tt33?

jonnyc
July 14, 2009, 12:08 AM
I spray a bunch of diluted Windex-like stuff, wipe, then some WD-40, and then clean like usual.
I don't think CZ52s are worthwhile at all, especially if you have a TT.

jeffesonm
July 14, 2009, 04:13 PM
I've had good luck with Romanian surplus purchased from both aimsurplus.com and ammoman.com

Ron James
July 14, 2009, 06:23 PM
Thjeres nothing wrong with the Ammo from J&G. Just clean your gun after shooting it.

spence
July 14, 2009, 10:36 PM
does anyone usea buffer pad in their tt33? i've comeacross some really hotrounds marked 22 83 on thehead and stoped shooting them after 8rounds thats why i'm going to buy the J&G polish. thanks jonnyc for your opinion on the cz52 I'll save and not buy one.

xx7grant7x
July 15, 2009, 12:41 AM
The hotter rounds were loaded for the sub machine guns and not meant for use in the pistols. I would be sure the 7.62 ammo you shoot in pistols was loaded to be shot in such

jonnyc
July 15, 2009, 10:33 AM
"The hotter rounds were loaded for the sub machine guns and not meant for use in the pistols."

This is total internet BS that has been disproven multiple times. There is no such thing as Tokarev SMG ammo. Compared to US ammo, all Tokarev ammo is loaded hot, and always has been, even in its older version, 7.63 Mauser. Any 7.62x25 ammo you will find, other than the long-bullet Chinese Subsonic, was made for both pistols and SMGs. The Soviet TT pistol, and its clones, was made to handle whatever the the ammo factory was producing. Some producers packaged it in handy 16 round packets for pistols and others in 70 round boxes handy for SMGs, but it's all the same ammo.

jjohnson
July 15, 2009, 11:41 AM
Okay, just wondering here, why do you come down so hard on the CZ52? I have a couple and think they're interesting, even if they're one of the more ugly surplus handguns on the market.

I don't own a TT. Can you enlighten us why the TTs are so much better? Not giving you a hard time, mind you - just a "straight up" question. I'd have sent you a PM, but figured maybe the answer was worthwhile reading for the other gents on this thread.

Thanks!

amd6547
July 15, 2009, 05:41 PM
I agree that the Tokarev pistol is superior to the CZ52. It is simple and tough, the Browning design is proven, and the Tokarev itself is combat proven. I owned a CZ52, and found mine to be one of the most disappointing pistols I ever owned, and it was a pistol I had wanted for a long time.
The Tokarev is more compact, thinner, and the ones I have shot have been more reliable and accurate than my CZ52. I would use my Romanian Tokarev for SD...my CZ52 would be my last choice for SD.
To those who have shot both the Polish ammo and the Romanian, how do they compare? My experiance with the Romanian ammo has been 100% positive.

Dr_2_B
July 15, 2009, 08:33 PM
Why TT over CZ52? How's the pricing compare? Safety?

Thanks for the posts

jonnyc
July 15, 2009, 10:57 PM
jj,
I just really dislike CZ52s. I have a TT and my friend has a CZ. We shoot them both fairly often. I find the grip of the CZ too long front to back, the trigger is horrible and tough to shoot accurately, it is too tall below the sights and I find myself looking into the back of the trigger, and last but not least...I think it's too big and ugly. These are my personal observations. If you're only planning to have one 7.62x25 pistol, get a TT.

jjohnson
July 17, 2009, 12:52 PM
But.... other than that, what's wrong with 'em?:D

Yeah, they ARE so ugly they could have been made by Enfield. :eek:

The TT just doesn't look a lot more ergonomic than the CZ to me. Neither one of them have exactly what you'd call classic graceful lines. I understand that the TT will take much higher pressures, or, put another way, it is by far the stronger one of the two.

The thing I like best about the CZ is that when I have people hanging around me too close at the range I can pull out the CZ and start firing...and they back away :evil:

jonnyc
July 17, 2009, 01:24 PM
Those fireballs are something! I had my TT out a few weeks ago with some pre-WWII Soviet ammo. It all went BANG, with a healthy recoil and a huge fireball. Lots of fun! I think I should chrono some of that pre-war and compare it to Czech post-war. I bet they'll spec out pretty close.

amd6547
July 17, 2009, 06:14 PM
I read threads where people complain about the Tokarev grip all the time...It dosn't bother me at all. In fact, the more I handle and shoot it, the better it feels.

Bigdtc
July 17, 2009, 06:49 PM
CZ52 Rulez

amd6547
July 17, 2009, 07:02 PM
In your fantasy world, perhapz.

cougar1717
July 21, 2009, 05:26 PM
From personal experience, I can attest that the SMG 7.62x25 ammo is a real issue. I bought some Bulgarian 50's surplus ammo to use in a CZ-52. I shot a total of one cartridge before it jammed so tight that I had to get a gunsmith to hammer the slide open with a live round partially chambered. Pistol ammo will freely fit in the chamber with a slight amount of wiggle room. SMG ammo will not fully chamber in a CZ-52. For those who might argue that it was only that one cartridge that was out of spec, I can assure you that the ones that did chamber were in the minority.

outerlimit
July 21, 2009, 06:02 PM
I had two unissued CZ-52's several years ago and I wasn't happy with either of them. They both developed mechanical problems after 200rds of S&B (one less than 100rd) and I ended up getting rid of them for cheap. There is also the issue with the chamber wall being very thin for the roller cut outs.

But the Tok's are so damn ugly! :D

onegun
July 21, 2009, 06:30 PM
Just shot a tokarev the other day from there with that ammo. It was good ammo. The stuff his highly corrosive though so clean it everytime you use the stuff.

jonnyc
July 21, 2009, 08:46 PM
Cougar, you posted this on another thread...it's still untrue.

"I would stay away from Bulgarian surplus since what I received was SMG ammo. While still advertised as "7.62x25", some ammo was made for Ppsh sub machine guns and can sieze up your slide since some rounds chamber and others are dimensionally too large to chamber in the CZ-52."

This is absolutely incorrect. There is NO SUCH THING AS TOKAREV SMG AMMO. That is a total myth. If you read East Bloc literature and the box and packet labels, and study the history of the cartridge, you will be as sure as I am. For example, your Bulgarian ammo came in 16 round packets, unless it was rebagged at some point in the US. The packet is for two TT mags. The 70 round boxes, usually marked for the TT PISTOL CARTRIDGE, are more convenient for a 70 round mag (or 2x35), but meant also for pistols. After 1940, I believe, all Soviet Tokarev ammo came in 70 round boxes, for both pistols and SMGs.

spence
July 21, 2009, 11:57 PM
still would like to know about buffers for a tt. dont some people use them in compact colt 45s? so you dont beat up the slide?

jeffesonm
July 22, 2009, 12:04 AM
I've put a few hundred rounds through mine and so far so good. You might want to try asking here (http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewforum.php?f=71) about the buffer.

outerlimit
July 22, 2009, 02:50 AM
jonnyc, are you certain all of the communist bloc 7.62x25mm ammo was loaded the same? What evidence do you have that all of it was loaded to the same specs? Some of it may have been loaded hotter for the burp guns.

I've heard of plenty of surplus subgun ammo blowing up TT's and CZ's. I would really like to see any information in this, because it would really be beneficial to know, thank you.

jonnyc
July 22, 2009, 10:29 AM
I never said all Tokarev ammo was loaded the same. Some countries load hotter than others, as well as differences between individual factories and lots. I did say that none was loaded for SMGs ONLY, and I stick by that. My "evidence" is in the negative. I am an advanced collector and student of everything related to the Tokarev cartridge. I have a file of info about 5 inches thick, almost 1000 cartridges (all different!), and a box/label collection of over 100 items. What I don't have is a shred of primary evidence that any Soviet Bloc producer of the 7.62x25 Tokarev cartridge ever made any "hot subgun ammo". No label or manual known to me or any other student of the cartridge supports this oft-repeated myth. All labels I have that actually mention a weapon show use for PISTOLS or PISTOLS & AUTOMATICS (SMGs).
Please provide ANY info you have about "surplus subgun ammo blowing up TT's". I don't believe it exists.

Col. Plink
July 22, 2009, 02:15 PM
A little love for the CZ52, according to
Phoenix79: "it is a great gun to shoot and loads of fun...The pistols are generally well built and hold up well with regular maintenance...I have 2 CZ52's and used to have another and have shot about 3k rounds through them all and never had a problem..."
Bigdtc: "I love my CZ52. It is a well built, good quality gun. I do find it suitable for SD...After 600 or so rounds it has worked perfectly. I carry "condition 1" when I carry and follow safety rules, no problems. The Czech ammo Is certainly hotter then the Romanian and Wolf ammo. It is noticeably hotter when shot. Bigger fireball, noise, recoil, etc. It is fairly accurate too."
Keeterbird: "Glad you like the 52. I have been a lover of the gun for a while. I can run to the range and put down 2 or three boxes (72 rounds per box) and only have spent $15-20. That beats 50 rnds of 9. It is a hoot...I have three each still has the original firing pin and the safety works for each...I have put 4 cans of 1225 rnds through my three."
Cane: "I've never had a FTF or FTE with it. Recoil is neglible and they are very accurate, and will penetrate a level III vests"
Ash: "I personally like it better than the Toke if only because it was far more innovative and modern (not to bash the Tokes, but they represented no attempt to advance firearm design). Yet, Tokarevs are durable and reliable pistols...I have owned both Tokes and the 52. My 52 was every bit as accurate as either my Chinese or Yugoslavian Tokes."
Sokygunner: "The guns are a lot of fun and are pretty darn reliable and accurate from what I've seen. Definitely wakes up the neighbors on the next ridge top when you let go with a few rounds!" Cougar1717: "One thing that I can attest to is the range of a CZ-52. From a standing position, I can put it on paper with relative ease at 50yds."
BlackHand1917: "I like my CZ-52 because I can fire cheap corrosive ammo out of it for less than half the price of a lot of handgun ammo out there...use the Sellier and Bellot cartridges made in the Czech Republic. It shoots 100% in my CZ-52 and is quite accurate."

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