Hey all. I've recently been in the market for a low end model .22 rifle. The problem I've been running into with all the ones I've checked out are the length of pull. It seems all the stocks are just too short for me. I'm not a tall guy by any means(5'6"), but it feels weird to me whenever I shoulder one of them. So far I've checked out the Ruger 10/22, Henry .22 Lever Action, Marlin Model 60, and the Mossberg Plinksters. The only one I've felt really comfortable with was a 10/22 with the Archangel stock when the stock was pulled all the way back. I lean more toward the more "traditional" rifle look than anything tactical, so I really don't want to go that route. Are there any after market full sized stocks out there, that preferably won't break the bank? Or am I just making too much of a big deal about a toss around .22 plinker?
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July 13, 2009, 03:26 AM
The CZ 452 series and Savage Mark II series (http://www.outdoorlife.com/photos/gallery/gear/shooting/2008/06/gun-test-08?photo=6#41789783) have full size stocks, of the two, the Savage Mark II is far more affordable and shoots right up there with the pricey European rifles...
The Savage MK II .22 RF we tested (BTVS* model) proved to be not just the most accurate rimfire we tested this year, but the most accurate rimfire we've ever tested, including some high-dollar rifles of exalted European origin.
* Laminate Thumbhole stock, Heavy Barrel, Stainless hardware
I have the basic wood stocked II-G (Monte Carlo wood stock, blued hardware) and this thing is more accurate than me, it retailed for $189, compare that to $300ish for a CZ 452 series, the CZ has nicer wood furniture and a more polished finish on the hardware, but they both put lead downrange equally well, and at least for me, the fancier "spit and polish" of the CZ isn't worth the increase in price, I'm a functionality-only kinda' guy
Oh, and I'm also 5'8", so i know where you're coming from on the "Height Deficiency" challenge, my Savage MKII-G fits me just fine
July 13, 2009, 07:10 AM
The Ruger 77/22 is also a full sized rifle. Not an low end model but perhaps on the used market.
They also lend themselves to easy rebarrelling and other accuracy work.
July 13, 2009, 07:15 AM
Savage makes an extremely accurate rifle, right out of the box. Fit and finish are sort of rough, generally. People either really like them or they really don't.
I've always been pleased with the CZ rifles. The steel in the action is pretty tight when you first get one, but after cycling it a few times it becomes easier to use.
When it comes to practical accuracy, the single most important aspect is how the rifle fits your body, IME. You might have the most mechanically accurate rifle in the world, but if you cannot hold it on target it really is not relevant. This is where the CZ difference becomes obvious to me. The wood stocks of those rifles are works of art in the ergonomics department, and allow me to shoot them better.
July 13, 2009, 09:04 AM
How about a used Mossberg? It don't get much better than the 46 or 42 series in the bolt guns & if an auto turns your crank check the 51 series as they all have full size stocks.
July 13, 2009, 10:37 AM
When I saw the title the first thing I thought was "Marlin 39". But then I saw your "low end".
If you can find one the Remington "Nylon 66" has a LOP of 13.75" and is feather light at 4.2 lbs.
If i were buying a new .22 it would be a CZ. They're nice rifles that shoot good.
July 13, 2009, 10:48 AM
You could try looking for old military trainer rifles. A lot of armies made full sized versions of their battle rifle's, but chambered in .22 so their troops could practice with something as close to the real thing.
July 13, 2009, 11:14 AM
I recently bought an older model Marlin 80. It is a bolt action .22 and the stock is meaty compared to any other 22 that I have fired. suggest you research on the Marlin Collectors Association and the Rimfire Central site. Perhaps you can get an idea if you want one and then go to an auction site and buy one. Just a suggestion. I love mine. It is very accurate. You can still buy the magazines from Marlin or many gunparts outlets. It holds seven rounds.
July 13, 2009, 07:18 PM
CZ-452 is the most manly sized .22 I've owned.
My stock 10/22 fits me pretty well too.
July 15, 2009, 03:26 PM
The Charles Daly Superior II/Remington Model 5/ USSG Z5 might fit the bill. Its a bolt action rifle imported from Serbia- made by Zastava. I understand the USSG Z5 (current importer and model number )goes for under $300.
July 15, 2009, 06:03 PM
I am shocked when I go into gun stores and look at used 22s. The low end ones are beat up junk aside from never having a reputation of being a good shooter. They want 100-150 for Glenfield model 60s which sold for $40 new with a scope. There isn't a used 22 in the racks with all the parts for less than $100. Rossi is producing some nice winchester (small w because they are now selling winchester knives made in china) replicas. Lakewood arms sells some nice 22s if you can find them. Ruger 10/22s are a real favorite of many and are hard to beat for a price quality combination plus you can spend as much as you feel you need to customize your gun and the stuff is available. H&R bring a full size stock and barrel changeability to the table. Savage is still, as always, working hard on the working man's rifle.
Personal 22s by order of preference:
CZ 452 American - $400
Thompson Center - $165 for the tube (165 for the action)
Stevens Favorite - $300
My advice: Buy a brick of Wolf target ammo, shoot a bunch of them and get the one that says: "Buy Me!'
July 15, 2009, 07:57 PM
You might look at the "Walmart Special" 10/22. Only sold there, it has a longer, rifle style stock with a rubber butt pad, checkering, and no barrel band, and a longer barrel. Put in an aftermarket hammer to fix the awful factory trigger pull, and you're all set.
Here's what mine looked like before I started fiddling around with it.