can i use my dads Gun to go shooting at the range ?


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joe2004
July 13, 2009, 09:01 PM
i have gone many times but i want to know if i can do that ? i use to go with my dad but hes not in to it anymore so i go myself all the time

thanks guys

by the way i live in CA :-)

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Larry Ashcraft
July 13, 2009, 09:03 PM
Handgun or long gun? And how old are you?

Cowboygunsmith
July 14, 2009, 03:00 AM
ASK YOUR DAD (my son dont)

THE DARK KNIGHT
July 14, 2009, 05:13 AM
Not sure about CA but I know in NJ it is illegal to transfer a handgun to anyone without a handgun permit for that gun. IE Say my buddy wants to go to the range, I can't hand him my gun and let him go to the range with it. Following the law, he'd have to apply for a pistol permit and I could transfer it to him. The exception to the law is at a firing range I can temporarily transfer it to him for target shooting ie hand him my gun let him shoot it with me there.

CA is very restrictive as well, and probably your dad would need to be with you if the gun is registered to him.

Art Eatman
July 14, 2009, 11:56 AM
Only California laws are pertinent...

joe2004
July 14, 2009, 12:17 PM
well im 30Y old.

im talking about a hand Gun

xorbe
July 15, 2009, 07:35 PM
Same deal here, I'm in my 30s and live in CA, and would like to borrow one of my father's pistols for range practice (to become familiar with that particular model). I already own a couple pistols of my own.

Clearly, there is nothing "wrong" ethically/morally here, and I'm sure I could borrow it a 1000 times and nobody would care or know. But whether it's legal I don't know ... I'm in for the answer too.

edit: I found this:
"You need the HCS because it allows you to ... borrow a pistol from a friend. "
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/archive/index.php/t-137367.html

It sounds like the receiver needs a valid up-to-date HCS.

Quiet
July 15, 2009, 08:55 PM
CA Penal Code 12078
(d)(1) Subdivision (d) of Section 12072 shall not apply to the infrequent loan of firearms between persons who are personally known to each other for any lawful purpose, if the loan does not exceed 30 days in duration and, when the firearm is a handgun, commencing January 1, 2003, the individual being loaned the handgun has a valid handgun safety certificate.
(2) Subdivision (d) of Section 12072, and subdivision (b) of Section 12801 shall not apply to the loan of a firearm where all of the following conditions exist:
(A) The person loaning the firearm is at all times within the presence of the person being loaned the firearm.
(B) The loan is for a lawful purpose.
(C) The loan does not exceed three days in duration.
(D) The individual receiving the firearm is not prohibited from owning or possessing a firearm pursuant to Section 12021 or 12021.1 of this code, or by Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code.
(E) The person loaning the firearm is 18 years of age or older.
(F) The person being loaned the firearm is 18 years of age or older.

xorbe
July 15, 2009, 09:23 PM
So in English ^_^ let me see if I understand these (I had to look up the full texts of 12072, 12078, and 12801):

(1) I can borrow a firearm from a good acquaintance for lawful purposes for up to 30 days, and additionally I need an HSC to borrow a pistol.

(2) I can lend my firearm to someone who does NOT hold an HSC as long as I am present (ie, the range, my home, hunting).

Deltaboy
July 17, 2009, 09:19 PM
Boy the 2nd amendment is getting stomped nowdays.

note to self never set foot states with stupid laws like those listed above.

xorbe
July 19, 2009, 12:29 AM
TX has like $9 billion extra dollars surplus ... can you guys come take over CA and fix our economy and crap laws? We don't have many guns so it should be easy ... :D kthx!

Art Eatman
July 19, 2009, 12:30 PM
Looks like the question's been answered...

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