Loads for M1, M1A1s and FALS


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BBstacker
July 14, 2009, 01:10 PM
In my copy of Shotgun News there is a advertisment for Federals new loads. They come in.30-06 with 150 gr. FMJ bullets and 7.62 nato with 168 gr. Open Tip Match bullets. They also use staked primers. Sounds like a good deal if you don't reload.

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jackdanson
July 14, 2009, 02:04 PM
I haven't seen that. Might be the ticket for the folks who don't reload, can't get ahold of milsurp, and need ammo for their m1.

Col. Plink
July 14, 2009, 05:54 PM
I know Remington UMC 150grain 30'06 is supposed to be Garand-friendly, don't know what makes it that way per se. Manual from the CMP doesn't say anything about avoiding modern cartridges, just anything over 180 grains. For my purposes I bought a s--t-ton of surplus ammo from the CMP!

SlamFire1
July 14, 2009, 06:46 PM
I don't know what crimped primers do, other than advertizing. All of the LC match ammo for the Garands/M1a's was uncrimped.

For the 30-06, keep your 150 grain bullets below 2700 fps. TW54 actually chronographs around 2650 in my rifles. The military round was actually mild in comparision to the minie magnum crazy that currently sells today's ammunition.

At the 2001 John Garand Matches at Camp Perry, the CMP handed out Federal 150 grain ammo made to commerical specs. The stuff chronographed around 2800-2900 fps. It was hot.

There were malfunctions all over the place. My Retired Marine shooter, his clip jumped out during rapid fire and jammed his rifle. His rifle was almost new, was not the rifle's fault. That day I heard of operating rod dismounts.

Look you can shoot hot ammo in a Garand. Expect function issues, maybe a bent operating rod, or this little function issue:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/SlamFire/M1a%20and%20Garand%20Receiver%20Pictures/GarandSAreceivercrackedusingHXP69.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/SlamFire/M1a%20and%20Garand%20Receiver%20Pictures/GarandSAreceivercrackedusingHXP692.jpg

Poster from Jouster said HXP 69, Greek surplus did this to his receiver. The Greek I have shot is hotter than US, but milder than commerical.

These receivers are old, and do you really want to do this to your rifle?

Shear_stress
July 14, 2009, 08:02 PM
Poster from Jouster said HXP 69, Greek surplus did this to his receiver.

Well that's alarming. HXP is supposed to be designed for the Garand. Can you post a link to the thread on Jouster? Maybe an improperly annealed receiver back in the day? Might have cracked no matter what the load was.

SlamFire1
July 14, 2009, 08:29 PM
I got this from a long thread on cracked receiver heels. But that was before the move.

I don't believe the archives followed CSP's move to milsurps. I saved the pictures for myself, obviously a link is too big to save as a name.

You are free to look at the Garand forum and ask questions.

The receiver might have been old, or that ammo might have been hot.

http://www.milsurps.com/forumdisplay.php?f=73

Col. Plink
July 15, 2009, 11:07 AM
You're telling me all that surplus ammo they sell at the CMP is too hot for the Garands they're selling it for?? :cuss: I bought as much of that stuff as I could justify just to avoid having to shoot something that would damage my Garand! Wow, I need to get this figured out!

USSR
July 15, 2009, 01:22 PM
You're telling me all that surplus ammo they sell at the CMP is too hot for the Garands they're selling it for??

Not at all. There was a problem with that Garand receiver that just happened to come all undone while shooting HXP ammo. With no history of what use that receiver has seen, you cannot jump to the conclusion that the ammo being fired at the time caused it to crack.

Don

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