AR15 or Shotgun for HD? i think both-in-one ;)


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sarduy
July 15, 2009, 12:43 AM
i found this and i think it's the first step into a AR-shotgun rifle....

this is an AR-410 but i'm sure soon we'll see

AR-20ga & AR-12ga :evil:

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Safir_Arms_T-14_Compact_.410_Guage_Upper_Half.html

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/att14compactbig.jpg

Video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buZLlYOpqQ4

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Quiet
July 15, 2009, 02:41 AM
Won't see an AR20ga or AR12ga, because the shells not compatible with the standard AR mag well.

Dr.Rob
July 15, 2009, 02:55 AM
Wow that is different from the Turkish made AR410 (which will NOT snap onto an existing lower).

Who makes it?

Quiet
July 15, 2009, 02:59 AM
Wow that is different from the Turkish made AR410 (which will NOT snap onto an existing lower).

Who makes it?
It is the Turkish made AR410.
They redesigned it for US import.

Big_E
July 15, 2009, 03:00 AM
Its from Safir Arms which is a turkish company. Looks cool, but I'll stick to my Mossy 535 and 870 7 shot.

Acera
July 15, 2009, 11:16 AM
Quiet wrote:
Won't see an AR20ga or AR12ga, because the shells not compatible with the standard AR mag well.

Yes you will, but it will not feed through the mag well. Bohica arms has one coming out in the next month or so in 12 gauge. He says he will have pictures up in a couple of weeks. Chris states it will use Saiga magazines and he will be producing a 30 round drum for it.

P.B.Walsh
July 15, 2009, 11:26 AM
^^^^^THAT WOULD BE SOOOOO COOOOL!!!!! :) (If it were reliable).

MTMilitiaman
July 15, 2009, 11:34 AM
Well shucks...

I thought we were about to have a "Masterkey for HD" topic. And I was looking forward to it, because I've never seen such a thread around here.

As for the OP, I think the shotgun AR concept is interesting, as is the shotgun AK concept already popularized by Saiga. However, I don't really see the point. When I grab my AK (or, if I were to grab an AR), it is because I want a rifle, and all the associated advantages in range, accuracy, versatility, ect. If I wanted the limited range, accuracy, versatility of a shotgun, I could and would just grab my 870. Turning a rifle into a shotgun seems like a step backwards more than forwards to me, so I'll abstain from owning one.

jhco
July 15, 2009, 12:04 PM
Neat but if I'm goin with a shoty then I'm goin 12ga

Girodin
July 16, 2009, 04:02 PM
hris states it will use Saiga magazines and he will be producing a 30 round drum for it.

Based on the MD20, I would imagine that a 30 round drum will simply be too big and unwieldy.

I have a .410 saiga. It is fun and very easy to shoot with low recoil. 5 pellet 00 buckshot is nothing to sneeze at. For those who find a 12 gauge too unwieldy or its recoil too sever I think it makes a good little home defense gun, particularly stocked with a higher capacity mag.

I like that little AKM platform 410 and imagine that an AR platform one would be more ergonomic and even handier. That said my Saiga cost $200. A simple conversion on one runs $150 or so making it roughly half the price of a complete 410 AR.

It will be interesting to see if these things prove reliable and to see what mags cost.

Dr.Rob
July 16, 2009, 06:55 PM
So Shotgun News got it wrong? This thing will snap onto a standard lower? Hmmmmmm.

Double Naught Spy
July 17, 2009, 12:16 AM
A buddy of mine has one of the Saiga 12 shotguns (based on the AK). While it works well with the box magazines, he noted that the real problem was in keeping the mags loaded. The spring in the magazine tends to compress the shells over time, taking them out of round. That results in having rounds that won't feed into the chamber. So in my buddy's opinion, the setup isn't good for HD because you can't keep the mags loaded for extended periods of time.

I would anticipate the AR shotgun having similar problems with box magazines as well and hence having the same shortcoming for HD.

Girodin
July 17, 2009, 12:42 AM
he noted that the real problem was in keeping the mags loaded. The spring in the magazine tends to compress the shells over time, taking them out of round. That results in having rounds that won't feed into the chamber. So in my buddy's opinion, the setup isn't good for HD because you can't keep the mags loaded for extended periods of time.

See the saiga 12 cheers and jeers thread for commentary on that.

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