All purpose carbine?


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crawdaddy
July 15, 2009, 03:57 PM
I'm back and forth about a Marlin 1894c .357 and a Mini 14 .223 for an all purpose carbine. (for lack of a better word) A survival carbine. I have two .357 revolvers and a .30-06 so i'm looking for something in the middle. Any suggestions?

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P.B.Walsh
July 15, 2009, 04:14 PM
AR-15?? Or what about a nice compact bolt gun??

H2O MAN
July 15, 2009, 04:16 PM
Maybe a .45-70 Guide Gun :evil:

Matrix187
July 15, 2009, 04:17 PM
The marlin .357 will do in NC probably. If you were in the NW I would say a .45-70 guide gun.

jhco
July 15, 2009, 04:20 PM
To me the AR is a great platform it may not be the best in every category but it certainly is a good choice in most categories, HD/SD/medium/small game hunting/plinking not to mention its totally modular and easy to adapt to most situations already mentioned.

Gryffydd
July 15, 2009, 04:21 PM
Do you reload? The .357 has a lot more potential if you can cheaply feed it hotter stuff than the average factory .357 loads these days. There's always Buffalo Bore and Double Tap if you want buck shot ($1 per shot, that is) :D

Personally, I'd go with the 1894c--it's actually the next gun on my list. It will do as a decent gun for deer and under, something that the .223 may not be legal for, though that part might not matter in a "survival" situation. You can decide on your own whether a 158gr .357 bullet at 1800fps is better than a .22 ~60gr bullet at 2800. Muzzle energy fans will say one...others will say the other.

It's a breeze to load for, you can shoot cheap (and effective) cast bullets out of it. By all accounts it's a very accurate rifle, at the worst definitely not less accurate than the Mini-14.

As long as you're not worried about Zombie attacks or crowd control, I'd stick with the 1894c.

SaxonPig
July 15, 2009, 04:22 PM
No such thing.

P.B.Walsh
July 15, 2009, 04:26 PM
Am I the only one advocating for a nice, compact, bolt-action rifle? I love bolt-actions BTW. :)

H2O MAN
July 15, 2009, 04:31 PM
Matrix187 The marlin .357 will do in NC probably. If you were in the NW I would say a .45-70 guide gun.

I was going to suggest a .357 mag lever gun, but he stated that he wanted something in between his .357 and 30-06.

DC300a
July 15, 2009, 04:34 PM
Marlin 336 in .30-30?

I really like mine

Gryffydd
July 15, 2009, 04:36 PM
I was going to suggest a .357 mag lever gun, but he stated that he wanted something in between his .357 and 30-06.

The OP specifically said he was considering the .357 Mag Lever gun, as something between his .357 Mag revolvers and the .30-06
a Marlin 1894c .357 and a Mini 14
I have two .357 revolvers and a .30-06 so i'm looking for something in the middle.

H2O MAN
July 15, 2009, 04:44 PM
Let me put it another way...

OP Has: 357 wheel guns and some kind of 30-06 rifle.
OP Considering: 357 lever gun or Mini 14

My suggestion for something in the middle: 45-70 Guide Gun

The 357 mag lever gun would be ideal because the OP has that ammo,
but it sounds like the OP is looking for something a little different...


What is you suggestion Gryffydd ??

DC300a
July 15, 2009, 04:45 PM
Gryffydd, did you have something useful to add to the thread like a suggestion??

He is looking for an in-between. So I suggest the .30-30 as a rifle cartridge (for out to 100yds) in a compact reliable package of a Marlin Lever.

P.B.Walsh
July 15, 2009, 04:46 PM
How is a 45-70 something in the middle? I would thing that "in the middle" would be a .223, .243, or something like a .260. All IMHO of course. :)

kludge
July 15, 2009, 04:47 PM
What about a Kel Tec SU-16?

H2O MAN
July 15, 2009, 04:49 PM
P.B.Walsh, I'm guessing the meaning of this icon :evil: was lost on you.

P.B.Walsh
July 15, 2009, 04:51 PM
What do you mean H2OMan?

DC300a
July 15, 2009, 04:53 PM
When he used the :evil: icon... that meant he was joking... :)

H2O MAN
July 15, 2009, 04:53 PM
:rolleyes: Never mind P.B.Walsh...

DC300a get's it!:)

Kind of a joke... not in the middle, but not a bad choice either

BMF500
July 15, 2009, 04:54 PM
Maybe a Henry lever in .44mag?

P.B.Walsh
July 15, 2009, 04:54 PM
Oh, ok, I just really adore Rem. 700's!!!!! :)

DC300a
July 15, 2009, 04:57 PM
.44 Mag is not a bad suggestion, but is the ammo more expensive??

My father has a 1894c in .44mag and has served him well.

DC300a
July 15, 2009, 04:59 PM
Nope.... I stand by my .30-30 idea.

The last time I bought a box of Remington Core-Lokt in .30-30 I think I paid $14 for it.

BMF500
July 15, 2009, 05:00 PM
.44 Mag is not a bad suggestion, but is the ammo more expensive??

My father has a 1894c in .44mag and has served him well.
....not in comparison to a 30-30 or 45-70....

lipadj46
July 15, 2009, 05:01 PM
Marlin 336 in .30-30?

I really like mine

+1, will get you all the way up to deer sized game.

DC300a
July 15, 2009, 05:04 PM
---BMF500 you may be correct... I havent priced .44mag in a long time...

BMF500
July 15, 2009, 05:18 PM
DC300, it really depends on WHAT you buy. A box of Honady XTP's will run you about $24, a white box of Winchester FMJ's will run you about $12.

dom1104
July 15, 2009, 05:28 PM
but remember, 44 magnum is a pistol cartridge, and comes in boxes of 50, not 20 like rifles.

So if you are payin 18 bucks for 20 rifle cartridges, or 24 for 50 pistol.....

get me?

DC300a
July 15, 2009, 05:37 PM
I'm tracking.... :)


I'm still standing by my .30-30 :neener:

Call me stubborn :rolleyes:

goon
July 15, 2009, 05:40 PM
A .357 magnum Marlin is a very versatile in between rifle. I'd love to have one.
The only problem you'll have with one is keeping ammo around for it!

BTW - I love the .30-30 but if you already have the 30'06 and are looking for something to really fill the gap, why "double up" with another practically full powered round?

lobo9er
July 15, 2009, 05:43 PM
AR 223 bad idea cant hunt anything with it legally but vermin and coyotes AR 10 Maybe I love my AK underfolder easy to pack Marlin 336 GREAT one anything 44 MAG THE choices are endless Go bigger than 223/5.56 though

bearmgc
July 15, 2009, 05:46 PM
Rem 7600 in .270, because the Lever action in 44mag has already been mentioned.

Col. Plink
July 15, 2009, 05:51 PM
Yugoslavian SKS carbine. Tried&true design, toughest of the SKS's, cheap plentiful round, quick reload w/hard permanent magazine. Fantastic beater guaranteed to take it.

Kwanger
July 15, 2009, 05:52 PM
What about a Kel Tec SU-16?
I was thinking the same, for handiness and affordability.

Gryffydd
July 15, 2009, 06:27 PM
Gryffydd, did you have something useful to add to the thread like a suggestion??
What is you suggestion Gryffydd

Did you guys somehow miss post #6?

rmuzz
July 15, 2009, 07:02 PM
I don't own one of these, but have you thought about something in .35 rem? If you reload it might be nice, you can use .357/.38spec handgun bullets and make some tamer loads to handle smaller game. More powerful stuff would probably be closer to your 06' than your .357. Again not experienced in this, but been thinking about it... seems like you could make loads to suit your "all purpose" criteria. I have a .357 revolver, and haven't got into reloading yet. Even if I do Id be looking for something in 30/30, .35 rem, or 45/70 lever gun (think 336.) It wouldn't be 100% compatibility, but it seems like if you were trying to pair something together it would go better with your revolvers than your other lever gun options if you reloaded. Maybe, just some of my thoughts on that... lots of people talking about ARs, there are a lot of good options out there. Hope you find something that fits your needs well! Happy hunting.

Gryffydd
July 15, 2009, 07:14 PM
The .35 Rem. Is a great choice. A couple of thoughts though:
Better ammo/component availability for the .357
Higher capacity in the .357
Lower cost ammo components in .357
Both are great deer guns neither is a great choice for anything larger.
.357 would mean no new cartridge to buy, no new dies etc, if he reloads
All in all, I'm not sure the advantages of the 35 Rem outweigh the advantages of the 357, in this particular case.

76shuvlinoff
July 15, 2009, 08:51 PM
Get the .357 lever,.
You won't be happy till you do and if you're not happy someone will happily buy it from you in short order.

.02

Gryffydd
July 15, 2009, 08:55 PM
if you're not happy someone will happily buy it from you in short order.
That's for sure! I've been watching 1894C auctions on Gunbroker, and they've been selling for MSRP or more used or new.

Heck
July 15, 2009, 09:49 PM
I'd go with the marlin in .357. I like the option of having a sidearm and rifle the same caliber. I've been eyeing one in 44 mag

lobo9er
July 15, 2009, 09:58 PM
hows .357 for hunting?

Gryffydd
July 15, 2009, 10:09 PM
hows .357 for hunting?
.357 180gr bullet at 1850fps or 158gr at 2150fps...I think that says pretty much everything. If you can't kill a deer with that you have other problems.

fatelk
July 15, 2009, 10:15 PM
Personally, I like the idea of a .357 lever-action. I've been wanting to get one myself for some time. They are light weight, slender, versatile (.38/.357).

I have a Marlin .44 mag and it's fun, but has never been real accurate, 3"+ at 50 yards. Maybe I just got a lemon.

76shuvlinoff
July 15, 2009, 10:54 PM
Quote:
if you're not happy someone will happily buy it from you in short order.
That's for sure! I've been watching 1894C auctions on Gunbroker, and they've been selling for MSRP or more used or new.

Personally, I like the idea of a .357 lever-action. I've been wanting to get one myself for some time. They are light weight, slender, versatile (.38/.357).

Exactly, the reason I recommend it is I love mine and I don't even reload. I have had a spotless 1977 version for about a year. I run out of the box 38spcl to 357 Hornady leverevolution and it does not hiccup. I paired it up with a 4 5/8 Blackhawk and it's enough fun to be illegal. There's something to be said about going a little slower once in a while.
The prices are outrageous and I paid more than new msrp for one that's over 30 years old but this one I'm just not selling.

Good luck!

crawdaddy
July 16, 2009, 02:10 AM
Wow, gone for about 8 hrs (have to work to buy guns) I didn't expect so many responses.
Ok let's see:
No I don't reload...yet... soon hopefully
I'm really not looking to buy an AR type rifle I would rather something with wood
I know a .30-30 fits but not what really what I'm looking for
I'll probably end up getting both but which one do I get first?
I'm looking for something out to about 100 yards +-
Something that will kill up to a deer in a worse case scenario (I know a .22lr will but I want a little more umph).

I know this sounds crazy but I've always been like this. I want something I can grab and run out of the house and be able to "survive". I know that is kind of vague and I hope nothing like that ever happens but "Be Prepared" as the Boy Scouts say.
...Oh yeah, and something for the occasional Zombie.

P.B.Walsh
July 16, 2009, 01:22 PM
Mabey a Saiga? Or a lever of choice. :)

LeverGunJunkie
July 16, 2009, 01:48 PM
Depending on the action the OP is partial to; I think a 30-30 lever or a REM model 7 in .260 or 7mm-08 would fill the bill nicely.

Personally I like my WIN model 94 30-30 trapper w/ XS sights as my tweener/all purpose/woods walkin gun.

Bula
July 16, 2009, 02:38 PM
Get the .357 1894C. The .357 mag rounds gains a lot of credibility as a deer round when shot out of a carbine. Sure it's no .30-.30, but its close enough. I love mine. I have a AR too but "I" don't even come close to considering that a woods gun. I load a cast 358156 gas checked 168 gr SWC, hot, that feed fine and shoots like champ, 158 gr rnfp in .38 sp brass, and it even feeds full wadcutter .38 specials. From rabbits, small pigs and deer inside 75 yds, that the neatest little rifle I own. Way more versatile that the 30-30 (which i love too) or any of the other big bore rifles mentioned above. A pocket full of .38's and a box of full house .357's will keep you happy for a while. As for the zombie, crowd control factor, a hot 125grain JHP .357 mag load is no joke. Look up Mike Venturino's article about his .32-20 lever exploits at a black rifle carbine, Jeff Cooper course. Good luck and let us know what you decide.

Gryffydd
July 16, 2009, 03:15 PM
As for the zombie, crowd control factor, a hot 125grain JHP .357 mag load is no joke.
The round is no joke, no doubt. The reason I went for the Mini 14 for those hypothetical situations was magazine capacity and reload times.

Also, I've been looking for that article and can't seem to find it.

dogtrainer
July 17, 2009, 09:06 PM
This is just what you are looking for:

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3971/cz527.jpg

Notice it is a carbine and in a big game capable cartridge: 7.62 x 39 (the little Russian). You can put 20 rounds in one pocket and not even fill them there. Iron sights are standard. As picture it weights 7.5 lbs (magazine is empty). Without sling and scope it is 6 3/4 pounds.

If you load 32 caliber pistol bullets with Alliants's Steel powder you have a small game rifle.

The scope is a Burris Timberline 2x-7x. The rings are CZ's; they came with the rifle.

I can hit a GI Jerry Can repeatedly at 415 yards with the following load:

Hornandy 150 gr sp 303 cal (.312")
IMR SR 4759 1.6 cc (Lee Percision's powder scoop) or about 16.1 grains
WLR Primer
Crimp in canular
100 yard group .33" (bullets overlapping)

Uncle Mike
July 17, 2009, 09:32 PM
AR 7.62X39- Like having a modern M1 30 Carbine.

PT1911
July 17, 2009, 09:38 PM
ruger .44 carbine.... old model (tube fed)not new model...

Maverick223
July 17, 2009, 10:10 PM
AR 7.62X39- Like having a modern M1 30 Carbine.How about an M1 carbine? Light, points well, very reliable, reasonably accurate, capable of killing moderate sized game, not too expensive to outfit or shoot...would be a great survival rifle. It is pretty much the equivalent of a semi-automatic .357 carbine. Good idea, well kind of. :D

FMJMIKE
July 17, 2009, 10:51 PM
Stainless Mini-14 would be my choice...............
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e350/mbmphoto/MiniSS1.jpg

Isher
July 17, 2009, 11:10 PM
Well..........

Here's my pair to draw to:

CZ P-01 in 9mm Parabellum.

CZ VZ58 in 7.62x39.

isher

TUBBY1
July 18, 2009, 11:59 AM
I would do the 357. I did and ammo was the first reason. 357 will do and your pistol will be happy also. Keep it simple. Stock up on your 38 and 357 .im glad i did !

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