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lobo9er
July 15, 2009, 10:22 PM
is there any hunting possible with 50 bmg i am thinking about buying b4 possible ban but if theres no real hunting i can do with it i would go with a
.338 lapua or somthing anyone know anyone who has or heard rumors? would there be to much trauma for meat to be anygood etc any info would be great

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Cust700 308
July 15, 2009, 10:38 PM
Why would you want to carry around a 30lb rifle?

I guess you could use it for large game from a distance, but there are much better rifles for HUNTING.

In my mind the 50 is a target/range only gun, but I am open to other opinions.

lobo9er
July 15, 2009, 10:44 PM
prolly a lil much for white tail :) 30 lbs i've never picked one up holy smokes but i wouldn't mind that once in a while

jhco
July 15, 2009, 10:49 PM
actually there is IIRC there is a group of people who hunt moose or elk or some other large game like that but they shoot at great distances and shoot with spotters to watch the shots. they say that it takes a couple of seconds for the round to reach the target so if it looks like its going to miss or the animal moves the shooter can readjust an fire a second shot before the first hits. I believe this was in Guns and ammo or American rifleman or maybe feild and stream a few years ago.

Gryffydd
July 15, 2009, 10:49 PM
Considering that the 50BMG completely blows away the 460 Wby Mag or anything else, I guess it could work if you're just riding around in a Land Rover and have somebody hand you the rifle when it's time to shoot the elephant, it could work. Or if you got a Grizzly tag and want to take all the fun out of it and lay on top of a hill waiting for one to come within 500 yards.

lipadj46
July 15, 2009, 10:49 PM
I know people do it where legal and they have the right to. I've also heard of people fishing with dynamite.

MTMilitiaman
July 15, 2009, 10:53 PM
The biggest legal issue is the size/weight/caliber restrictions of different states. In Montana, there is no such restrictions. The only restrictions placed on the firearm you can use are pretty much limited to prohibiting poisonous, explosive, or non-expanding ammunition. But I recall some hunters in Wyoming shoot game at pretty long ranges with some heavy target rifles chambered for some hot .33 caliber wildcats, and the resulting limitations that state placed on weight limits for rifles the next season. I'd check local laws to be safe.

If there is no state laws prohibiting the use of such rifles, then the determining factor is whether you want to pack around a 30+ pound rifle, or put forth the time to learn how to estimate range, read wind, adjust your optics, and shoot at long range, so you can take advantage of the capabilities of the system.

The lack of appropriate ammunition should be considered in advance as well. Right now my brother is loading 750 gr Barnes Long Range Solids in his AR-50. This projectile would be illegal because it is non-expanding, and the law makes pays no regard to caliber or energy. The 750 gr Hornady Amax might work, but might also expand too fast, and there is no way to know for sure until you drop the hammer on a living creature. Whether you are okay taking the risk of wounding or maiming the animal you pursue is up to you, but most of us at least pretend to care about giving our quarry as respectful and humane a death as possible.

I am not saying I wouldn't hunt with a .50 BMG. I would just have to find what I deemed suitable ammunition first. That would be something that expands and still leaves something to eat. When I find such a thing, in fact, I will be using it to hunt with a .50. Until then, I'll have to stick to my 7 mm Rem Mag.

jhco
July 15, 2009, 10:55 PM
here is the story I read it was in field and stream

http://www.fieldandstream.com/photos/gallery/guns/rifles/ammunition/2007/01/way-out-there-shooting-and-hunting-50-caliber-browning

Dirtpile
July 15, 2009, 11:54 PM
It's been done.
It's not the best option for wooded areas and with the rifle weighing in excess of 30 Lbs. You wouldn't want to do much, if any, stalking. It's more of a "sit and wait" type of weapon.
It does however make small game or varmint hunting more...uhh...interesting. Just don't expect to have any left to eat.

SaxonPig
July 16, 2009, 12:05 AM
Ridiculous question.

Anyone actually hunting with a 50 is nuts.

Doing so at extreme ranges is unsportsmanlike and cruel as it will lead to wounded animals.

50 Shooter
July 16, 2009, 12:05 AM
There are companies that make bullets for hunting with the .50, Barnes, Hawk and Lehigh are just a few that come to mind. There are some people that custom make their own hunting rounds also.

People think that the .50 BMG will disintagrate any that they hit, read the above story as it might change your mind. Why are they nuts? It's just hunting with a bigger rifle.

azhunter12
July 16, 2009, 12:13 AM
There was a article in Field & Stream about people who hunt with 50s. Don't recall much but their hunting writter didnt say it was bad or anything.

Eb1
July 16, 2009, 12:38 AM
Full power BMG - Nothing you would want to hunt for food.

Handloaded .50 BMG to a level of a large elephant gun... I would think you could hunt hippo or something with it.

chris in va
July 16, 2009, 12:40 AM
I'd be more concerned about it passing through the target and hitting something unintended.

I was browsing Gander Mountain one day and an older gentleman came up to the counter and asked the sales guy what this mangled bullet was. It was quite large, but he didn't know so I broke out my Leatherman and measured the base at 1/2".

"50 BMG" I said. He said holy cow, this thing hit my truck out on highway 9.

Arkel23
July 16, 2009, 12:43 AM
Go with the .338 lapua, it wouldn't make since to use a 50 BMG to hunt.

Maverick223
July 16, 2009, 12:48 AM
Doing so at extreme ranges is unsportsmanlike and cruel as it will lead to wounded animals.First let me state that I DO NOT think it is a good (read practical) solution for hunting primarily due to the daunting weight. Other obstacles that are inherent to the caliber (proper bullet construction can minimize tissue damage a little) can be overcome...except for the excessive weight (well over 20lbs)...but I will say that I don't believe that many animals are likely to be left wounded due to the devastating power of the round. It would take a exceptionally bad shot to wound and not kill pretty quickly. Could happen...but not typical (I would say less susceptible than conventional hunting calibers at medium-long range)...but definitely not recommended and not sportsman like. The .338LM (or RUM) is a somewhat practical caliber because it can be chambered in a magnum action greatly lessening the weight (to about 10-12lbs), it is certainly worth considering if you have an urge to splurge on a long range rifle. :)

sarduy
July 16, 2009, 12:50 AM
is there any hunting possible with 50 bmg i am thinking about buying b4 possible ban but if theres no real hunting i can do with it i would go with a
.338 lapua or somthing anyone know anyone who has or heard rumors? would there be to much trauma for meat to be anygood etc any info would be great


you can hunt from squirrels to T-Rex with a .50bmg, as for trauma....who cares... try a head shot and you be ok :evil:....or you can do the lungs in deer/hogs/mule... and get a great stew meat :D

remember... there is no sucks thing as Overkill. is either wounded or dead.

Maverick223
July 16, 2009, 12:53 AM
remember... there is no sucks thing as Overkill.You my friend are wrong...I will direct you here for some clarification. :neener: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.600_Overkill

sarduy
July 16, 2009, 01:02 AM
You my friend are wrong...I will direct you here for some clarification. :neener: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.600_Overkill

Nice article :D

It was intended to be the largest bullet that was able to fit in the CZ-550, and was designed specifically for the purpose of elephant hunting.

i still stand true! it's not overkill for a elephant :D:neener:

Maverick223
July 16, 2009, 01:07 AM
i still stand true! it's not overkill for a elephantHmmm, agreed...but it is "overkill" and for an elephant. :neener: :D

sarduy
July 16, 2009, 01:09 AM
^^^ hehehe

skoro
July 16, 2009, 01:20 AM
I heard somewhere that it's a good round for T Rex. ;)

dubbleA
July 16, 2009, 01:31 AM
I'd be more concerned about it passing through the target and hitting something unintended.


Those are exactly my thoughts. I have one and it's only shot at steel and paper where there is a sufficient berm/backstop. I do not wish to have any stray 50 cal rounds zipping through my pastures. I have never had thought of mine being a hunting rifle, it's just to large and heavy and isnt easy to move around.

Having one in a Sako TRG 42 and it's quite a performer.
The 338 Lapua can be had in normal size and weights and is a fairly heavy hitter with 16-1700 yard range. The down side is it's a little expensive to shoot. The 250 gr Lapua Scenar is a great bullet for a 1:12 while the 300 gr SMK does good in a faster 1:10.

Contrary to popular belief, a big heavy moving bullet such as 50bmg doesnt cause massive tissue damage. Usually they are to heavily constucted to do so, most animals dont offer enough resistance.

.38 Special
July 16, 2009, 01:44 AM
It would take a exceptionally bad shot to wound and not kill pretty quickly.

Meh. Gut shot is gut shot, unless you're using a mountain howitzer. I don't have any problem with the fellow who wants to hunt with a .50 BMG, but I don't appreciate folks taking 800+ yard shots at game animals. It's nothing more than a stunt, and now matter how good a shooter is (or thinks he is, which is a significant part of the problem) there is too much room for error and the stakes are too high.

Antihero
July 16, 2009, 01:56 AM
I'd be more concerned about it passing through the target and hitting something unintended.


I agree, especially so when you think about how long of ranges people target shoot with it.

Not to mention the weight of the rifle and the fact that its major overkill for pretty much anything in north america.

blackops
July 16, 2009, 04:01 AM
Hunting with a 50bmg............i guess if you want to hunt armored vehicles then your good to go.

jackdanson
July 16, 2009, 04:12 AM
You could use it on p-dogs........

woodybrighton
July 16, 2009, 06:47 AM
seems excessive and overly dangerous what next a truck mounted 20mm .

jmorris
July 16, 2009, 07:02 AM
Doing so at extreme ranges is unsportsmanlike and cruel as it will lead to wounded animals.

One could say the same thing about the guy that can't keep them in an 8" circle with grandpaws 30-30 too.

I've had friends that wanted to use my 50 on hogs until they pick it up 47#'s doesn't recoil much but it's only fun to carry to the bench and you can forget about off hand shots.

SaxonPig
July 16, 2009, 08:41 AM
Yes, and two wrongs don't make a right.

Gaiudo
July 16, 2009, 09:30 AM
Know your limitations. Some folks shouldn't be shooting a 30/30 at 150 yards; others shouldn't be shooting elk at 700 yards. However, I know hunters/shooters who do the latter and do it well, with the proper equipment. Gotta know your limitations.

Maverick223
July 16, 2009, 12:14 PM
You could use it on p-dogs...It might be enough with proper bullet construction...just use API(T). :D

ricebasher302
July 16, 2009, 12:55 PM
Not so much hunting, but more just shooting. I've never much cared for the idea of shooting something at ranges that only require marksmanship, but no real hunting skills. A BMG in my opinion is the definition of overkill in a game hunting situation for anything short of elephants.

MJR007
July 16, 2009, 06:06 PM
My farm, my rules - I see no problem with a 50 in one of my deer houses (muzzel out). Public land - - - is why I got the farm.

lobo9er
July 16, 2009, 06:36 PM
ever see the anzio iron works 50 looks a little lighter

lefteyedom
July 16, 2009, 06:50 PM
Hunting with a 50 BMG is just asking public relations problems that nether the hunting nor the 50 BMG groups need.
Yes dead is dead wither from a 22 hornet or 50 BMG. But think about this for a minute, shooting a 50 bmg on a range set up for such weapons and operated correctly is about as safe as it gets. Yet accident and equipment failures do happen.
What will happen when your local Walter Mitty takes his new $2500 50 BMG setup to hunt whitetail deer and a common hunting "accident" happens? 20/20, Dateline, CNN, ect will be painting the picture for your law makers.
"Mr Mitty local deer kiler used a 750 grn 50 BMG Military sniper rifle with a range of over 2 miles to kill Mrs Johnson mother of 4 would was hanging wash out to dry in her camp ground...... Mr Mitty claims not to have seen Mrs Johnson though she was only 200 yards away ....."

Harve Curry
July 16, 2009, 07:06 PM
We have plenty of open country here in SW New Mexico mountains. Elk, deer, bear, coyotes. No problem with backstops either. Anytime you want to hunt here, I'll help you pack that rifle with a mountain horse dedicated to just that.:)

Jerry D
July 16, 2009, 08:19 PM
Why does everyone say no?!?!?

Sure it might not be the best thing to use but it would be interesting for a time or two.

The gun will be 30lbs or more... it will be long and awkward to carry around but it'll be great for sitting on a hill top

A 50 BMG will NOT make a deer explode!

Get some hunting ammo for the 50 and your good to go...

People mention caliber and weight restructions... well in some areas I know you can only use shotguns and in other areas nothing bigger than a SMALL .270! No .308 No .30-06

If you choose to use the 50 just make sure its "safe" to do so.

MJR007
July 16, 2009, 08:53 PM
Jerry D - is 100% right.

Lou McGopher
July 16, 2009, 09:42 PM
A 50 BMG will NOT make a deer explode!

Then what good is it?

noob_shooter
July 16, 2009, 10:11 PM
u know, i recently heard news from the local DNR that big game animals have started to wear bullet proof hides now.

i wouldn't mind hauling a 30lbs rifle. it would be nice to see what the 50bmg can do to animals...

Maverick223
July 16, 2009, 10:14 PM
i wouldn't mind hauling a 30lbs rifle.Me either...but I'd have to get a bigger truck. :p

Uncle Mike
July 16, 2009, 10:34 PM
seems excessive and overly dangerous what next a truck mounted 20mm

Yeah baby... Now your talkin'!

Shot a hog with a Barrett.. It did NOT blow up like a bomb hit it, FMJ stuff, non-military.

It belonged to a friend of mine at the time, I believe he was using some kind of commercial match ammo, not sure. Just over 200y shot.

It did make a awful mess of the animals innards, bone fragments were everywhere... and I mean everywhere!

Couldn't eat it, you would of had to sift the meat to get all the bone fragments out of it.

20mm Lahti L40 with 20mmX138B ammo... now were having fun!

Gunnerpalace
July 16, 2009, 11:21 PM
WOW!

Bradys and VPC would be proud to see this thread.

Maverick223
July 16, 2009, 11:42 PM
20mm Lahti L40 with 20mmX138B ammo...Lahti-da...I always thought the 14.5mm Russian would be the ideal long range (read target shooting) cartridge (I would skip the 50BMG), and it is considered a "sporting cartridge" so is a >.50 and still legal without additional paperwork. I think it is even PRK legal. :)

beerengineer
July 17, 2009, 12:26 AM
Sure are alot of negitive opinions on this subject. Hunting is hunting. Driving a broadhead through both lung cavities at 10 yards is hunting. Shooting an elk at 950 yards with a .50 cal is hunting. Just different styles. We have unethical hunters in every dicipline. I saw a guy taking shots at caribou at 150 yards with his bow, what a retard! If you are a .50 cal guy, I'm sure you realize the bullet can travel 7500 yards, and ALWAYS have planned accordingly. How many of you naysayers have actually shot a 50? Its a life changing event. You spend this kind of money on a match grade .50 cal. rifle, you're going to have world class optics and hyper accurate ammo. If you can consistantly bang steel at 1000 yards with a fifty...its time to go hunting baby!!

Harve Curry
July 17, 2009, 01:01 AM
I had use of a single shot 50bmg for a short time, had a Burris Black Diamond scope on it. I liked the scope and didn't like the rifle. But I can see where a quality rifle from Barrett or another maker would be a good rifle for hunting. I guide bow & rifle hunters for a living and get to meet all kinds of people. We have a 650 yard range in TorC with shaded shooting benches and drive to target burms every hundered yards. It's a legal firearm in New Mexico so lets hope it stays that way. United We Stand.

RIATAC45
July 17, 2009, 01:13 AM
This thread reminds me of what my friend always told me. "Only in America, do we shoot people with .22s and prairie dogs with .50 BMGs."

Maverick223
July 17, 2009, 01:28 AM
"Only in Americe, do we shoot people with .22s and prairie dogs with .50 BMGs."And you see what happened to Americe. :neener:

RIATAC45
July 17, 2009, 01:43 AM
lol, thanks for pointing that out.

lefteyedom
July 17, 2009, 03:47 AM
Like Internet hunting... Who thinks up these "GOOD" ideas?
What will be the next big thing? using 105mm on Mountain goats.
Of course I grew up in Mississippi where it was common to fill the freezer with catfish by using single shot 12 gauge. It was easier than using my uncle old telephone to "Ring the fish up".

c5_nc
July 17, 2009, 10:39 AM
A group of friends and I are making arrangements for a range/hunting place right now, it will be a cleared 1000x50yd area in between two huge tracks of commercial timberland (we are cutting out ~9 acres in one large strip as part of a real estate deal. Will probably bring the 50 BMG out, stay in our shed and have long cleared placed to shoot. 50 BMG rocks over 338lapua, its the "bigger hammer" and I buy 750amax rounds for $4.50 to my door and M33 ball and API usually for under $3 a round. When/if I start reloading it will be much cheaper.

SHvar
July 17, 2009, 12:33 PM
Id be more worried about being the guy whos less than 100 yds from that deer that the lunatic is taking aim at from 500-1000 yds away. Being in the woods out of his sight minding my own business, and a .50 BMG comes sailing right at you (and the excuse would hold true, "I didnt see him officer").
But to each their own, if you hit what you werent supposed to in the process, you are responsible 100% for what that shot does.

Gryffydd
July 17, 2009, 12:46 PM
Being in the woods out of his sight minding my own business, and a .50 BMG comes sailing right at you (and the excuse would hold true, "I didnt see him officer").

Being in the woods out of his sight minding my own business, and a [.30-06, 338 Win Mag, 375 H&H, .223 Rem, .22 Hornet] comes sailing right at you (and the excuse would hold true, "I didnt see him officer").


A stupid hunter with any gun is dangerous. A safe hunter with any gun is safe. Let's not borrow from the Brady handbook and blame the tools rather than the operator.

middy
July 17, 2009, 12:48 PM
What do you intend to hunt? Garbage trucks?

MTMilitiaman
July 17, 2009, 02:44 PM
Brady and the VPC could be really proud of this thread. Not so much because of the topic being discussed as much as the fact that it makes it blatantly obvious that many of you are as misguided and short-sighted as they are.

There is no finite, universal maximum range to define how ethical a shot on a game animal is. Every hunter has an individual maximum range that they need to be aware of before going into the field. This number isn't an arbitrary number applied to everyone. Know your limits, and please, stop applying them to everyone else. Maximum range for an ethical kill depends on the skill of the hunter, the environmental conditions, the accuracy of the rifle and ammunition, the quality of the optics, the position and activity of the game animal, and the construction of the bullet with regard to terminal effect in tissue.

I do as much shooting with a rifle as I can, all year long. While it isn't as much as I would like it to be, I'd shoot all day every day if I could afford it, I have been shooting my entire life. You don't do something you care about your entire life without developing some sort of proficiency in it. I know I can kill quickly and humanely at 500 yards with my bolt action 7 Mag. I've never shot a living creature at the this range, despite the hundreds of rounds of practice I have put into preparing myself to do so. I did have optics on a muley buck at a lased 450 yards last year. Proned and slung up behind my rifle, I had complete confidence in my ability to place that 160 gr Accubond where it needed to be. I didn't shoot. Why? Because the animal never stopped moving, and never presented a good broadside shot. And because, with a muzzle velocity of 2960 fps, that round has dropped very close to the velocity threshold of about 2000 fps it needs to reliably expand at that range. On the same token, there are several rifles in this family, including an AR-50, that if loaded correctly, could be used effectively out to a 1000 yards and beyond, provided the shooter does his part. All of us acknowledge our limitations, and none of us have attempted such a feat. But my dad didn't build a custom .338 RUM with a 30 inch Lilja on it so he could shoot whitetail at 50 yards. I think pushing 250 gr Nosler Accubonds at 3100+ fps is more inline with his original plan, which was an across canyon elk buster.

The point is that a halfway competent rifleman should be able to easily get 300 yards with a scoped rifle. The quality of rifles, optics, and ammunition has never been better. Sporter rifles that shoot MOA or better right out of the box with hunting ammunition is not unheard of these days. So the main contributing factor is the skill of the shooter. Not all of us are created equal in this regard. I know my personal limits. I seek to extend them through practice, but I avoid the urge to apply these limits to everyone else. Many of you should do the same.

Stand hunting is no more or less ethical than any other sort of hunting. And it is both wrong and incredibly arrogant to assume that stand hunters are slop hunters with little or no regard for legality, ethics, or firearms safety. There are bad apples in every group. Our family has done both for a long time, but as my dad and grandpa age, they are no longer able to hike the hills with my brother and I. They find themselves posting up and glassing ridgelines and clear cuts more and more, and my dad has built a rifle to accommodate this style of hunting.

And some of you have obviously been paying a little too much attention to Brady and the VPC...enough that this thread makes me question your common sense, logic, and allegiances. The .50 BMG is just a rifle. It's a big rifle, but a rifle nonetheless. It is not subject to any dark, mysterious forces that don't apply to other rifles. This isn't voodoo magic or rocket science. You should be aware of your target and beyond regardless of the ranges you shoot or the caliber of your rifle. If you're not, you have no business questioning the professionalism or ethics of anyone else.

The same laws of physics apply to the .50 BMG, as do the same hunting regulations, the same firearms safety rules, and the same personal limitations. If you know and abide by these rules and limitations, hunting with a .50 is no more or less dangerous than hunting with anything else. If you don't, you have no business being in the woods with anything.

Uncle Mike
July 17, 2009, 03:37 PM
I always thought the 14.5mm Russian would be the ideal long range (read target shooting) cartridge

You are definitely right, the 14.5mm Russian is THE round to have, fast, flat and hits hard.

I heard someone was shooting one of these in long range a few years back...but because of restrictions of the sport, had to withdraw...?

Maverick223
July 17, 2009, 05:34 PM
MTM, I don't think many here are saying that a .50BMG is not capable of making a clean kill, or is somehow too powerful, just that it is not practical for most hunting use due to the problems inherent in such a large caliber weapon (primarily weight and size, also unnecessary cost of said firearm and ammunition). This may not apply to all hunters, but it is generally the case. I have always thought that the maximum hunting range is mostly dependent upon the rifleman.
I heard someone was shooting one of these in long range a few years back...but because of restrictions of the sport, had to withdraw...?Haven't thought about that, it would make a .50BMG look light, small, and of light recoil so I can see why it could be banned in competition...still an awesome legal caliber...besides you never know when you may have a Maximum Overdrive moment and need to fend off hungry semi trucks bound to destroy the world. :D

Uncle Mike
July 17, 2009, 09:21 PM
I have a good idea what Brady and vpc can do....:evil:

Other than back-range consideration, I see nothing wrong with using LARGE caliber weaponry.

Roll back the clock, and some schmuck was probably saying that using the .54 caliber coal burner was totally unnecessary and the .36 was all that was ever needed....

I guess we should of kept the 30-40 Krag and dismissed the 30-06...way too much power.... carnage!

lefteyedom
July 19, 2009, 07:18 AM
The tread leads to a bigger question.
Should hunting be more than using animals for targets?
Should hunting become ICE FISHING?
Is sitting in a warm shooting shack lasering deer at 1100 yards and launching small caliber mortar rounds the type of hunt we want to pass on to the next generation?

krs
July 19, 2009, 12:03 PM
It was easier than using my uncle old telephone to "Ring the fish up".

I han't thought of that in YEARS! I had an uncle who'd come and talk my father into going out to do that. He had the crank generator out of an old telephone and had rigged it with a big can capacitor. They had me crank the phone thing like crazy while my uncle rigged out an electric cord with contacts on each lead, using a sinker to take it to the bottom of a hole he knew in the lake. Then he'd close a little switch just once. In a little while a catfish would float to the top. It worked almost every time.

Dang, I'd completely forgotten about that because I was eight and that was more than fifty years ago.


Oh, yeah. BP hunters use .50 cal all the time, so what's the big deal? Little more velocity? :)

Harve Curry
July 19, 2009, 12:08 PM
There is nothing wrong with hunting and shooting game with the 50 BMG cartridge. What is wrong is some of our thinking has been unduly influenced by the popular media. Original thoughts are a rarity.

.38 Special
July 19, 2009, 12:47 PM
Original thoughts are a rarity.

Boy, Harve, if I had a nickle for every time I heard that...

Gunnerpalace
July 19, 2009, 01:09 PM
Is sitting in a warm shooting shack lasering deer at 1100 yards and launching small caliber mortar rounds the type of hunt we want to pass on to the next generation?

Yeah, because it takes skill to hit at that distance.

Art Eatman
July 19, 2009, 01:19 PM
I guess this is one of those deals that comes under the heading of "not my style". But, it doesn't seem to be causing any problems so it's hard for me to care about it, one way or the other. One of those "different strokes for different folks" things.

.38 Special
July 19, 2009, 08:18 PM
Yeah, because it takes skill to hit at that distance.

It also takes quite a bit more luck than an honest man should tolerate.

Maverick223
July 19, 2009, 10:52 PM
I just thought of another problem with using a .50BMG for hunting purposes...the weight...by this I don't mean the weight of hauling it around, but rather legal restrictions that some states put on hunting rifles. I don't know where you live, or even weight restriction laws for my neck of the woods (never has been nor can I see it becoming an issue), I am not even sure if NC has any, but I know that some states do. I think the weigh must be under about 15lbs IIRC. :)

Antihero
July 20, 2009, 01:50 AM
Oh, yeah. BP hunters use .50 cal all the time, so what's the big deal? Little more velocity?

And about 3 times the bullet weight.

Does anyone make a game cartridge/ sort point for the BMG? Isnt it mostly match FMJ? If so you'd have a serious over penetration problem to consider.

c5_nc
July 20, 2009, 10:29 AM
You can buy hunting rounds, Hunting Shack makes a soft point round. Not say that prevents overpentration, its a serious round. Its like any other round, know what is behind your target.

ArmedBear
July 20, 2009, 10:43 AM
Note that there are some state regulations that preclude a .50 BMG, even though it isn't illegal to use the caliber for hunting.

E.g. in Idaho, for big game hunting, the rifle plus whatever is attached to it (scope, sling, bipod etc.) has to weigh 16 lbs. or less.

That's not true in many states, but definitely check. Most people in Idaho have never heard of the rule, in my experience. I just stumbled on it when reading up on what you need to use for muzzleloader season.

Harve Curry
July 20, 2009, 11:03 AM
New Mexico G&F reg's:
Legal Sporting ArmsCenterfire rifle or handgun of .24 caliber or larger; shotgun no smaller than 28 gauge, firing a single slug; bow and arrows; or a muzzleloading rifle no smaller than .45 caliber. Crossbows may only be used by certified Mobility-Impaired Hunters, see page 15.

Maverick223
July 20, 2009, 05:22 PM
E.g. in Idaho, for big game hunting, the rifle plus whatever is attached to it (scope, sling, bipod etc.) has to weigh 16 lbs. or less.That is exactly the type of law that I was referring to...I haven't heard of a law precluding the use of .50BMG...but like you I just stumbled upon the aforementioned regulation, as it doesn't apply to most people and certainly not myself, so I am not really surprised. :)

ArmedBear
July 20, 2009, 05:30 PM
What I'm not sure of is WHY.

What does Idaho care if you want to carry a 20 lb. rifle to hunt elk?

There are other restrictions that can be traced to safety concerns, etc. But why gun weight?

Maverick223
July 20, 2009, 05:43 PM
What does Idaho care if you want to carry a 20 lb. rifle to hunt elk?It is for your own good...they don't want you to have back problems. :neener: P.S.: It is a stupid law...some .22lr rifles are 17+ lbs. :)

Sebastian the Ibis
July 20, 2009, 07:05 PM
.50 cal + harpoon works for whales:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DE7D61F31F93AA2575AC0A9639C8B63

lefteyedom
July 20, 2009, 09:49 PM
There is nothing new under the Sun. When people started shooting deer (wounding many) with 22 hornets, 22 mag, many states set minimum calibers at .24. Muzzle loading was a 50-70 yard sport, then in-line rifles, scopes and modern primers came along. Now states are getting far more restrictive on what type of weapon can be use for primitive weapon season. Bans to effect the long range shooting of game will come and when it does we will be as much to blame as those "insert you favorite name here" are.

We cuss the lawmakers yet never look in the mirror. Hunting is more than use animals as targets. Yes, it take skill to shoot a target at 1000+ yards but that is not hunting. I got over the trill of just killing something before I was a teenager. At 45 with 20 years of military service behind me I still like to hunt. The idea of a fair chase still means something. An elk steak on my plate should take more effort than knocking down steel target at the range. If that is all that hunting is then we should just go down to feed lot buy a cow. Back off what ever distant that it takes to feel manly and fire away.

Harve Curry
July 21, 2009, 03:30 AM
lobo9er 's original question:
Join Date: 07-08-09
Posts: 85 hunting with 50 bmg
"is there any hunting possible with 50 bmg i am thinking about buying b4 possible ban but if theres no real hunting i can do with it i would go with a
.338 lapua or somthing anyone know anyone who has or heard rumors? would there be to much trauma for meat to be anygood etc any info would be great "

Yes you can hunt with it. Just check state G&F laws where you want to go first.
With the right bullet and shot placement meat damage doesn't have to be a problem.
I've seen 308 Winchester destroy hindquarter.
Call Barrett and ask them about their rifles, hunting, and there's also the 460 Barrett cartridge now.
And no your not limited to just stationary long range shots. You still get up early, walk, glass, move around while packing the rifle, and you have to find the game. I call that hunting and more then as sitting in a duck or bow blind. Anything you get that way with it you'll have earned.

SeekHer
July 21, 2009, 10:36 AM
MTM, very well said! My compliments sir!

Excluding the states, provinces or countries where the cited, specific .50 BMG or the 12.5mm or 14.7mm military rounds are outlawed...

Excluding Brady and the whole anti .50 BMG, can shoot down an airplane, kill at two miles, crowd of hoplophobes and the idiot print or radio reporters and the talking heads on TV who can't differentiate between a .50 BP in-line muzzleloader and a .50 BMG Sniper (there words, not mine) rifle...Then again, anything with a scope is automatically a sniper rifle and a 10/22 is a machine gun!

Excluding that I would never be stupid enough to take on any of the Big 5 or N.A. big bears with a 40 lb, 45 lb overly long rifle that now matter how good you are will, unless you can break the laws of physics, be able to swing that barrel on a charging elephant or hippo at 15 yards...

Excluding the fact that some people think it’s unethical to shoot game beyond some arbitrary distance; I mean if I can shoot prairie dogs at 600 yards why can’t I shoot deer as well—slightly larger target…I’m right now gearing up and practicing for my goal of a two mile, 3,520 yards, 3,218.7M varmint kill…

Excluding the fact that a 35 lb gun would be a real drag to carry through the thick, heavy, bush we have here and would get hung up every few yards and forget about a snap shot at some escaping animal as some tree will impede your swing anyhow…

Excluding whether it is ethical, or not, about shooting from a covered stand, a climbing stand up tree stand, a field tripod or a ground blind and excluding whether you’ve baited the area with corn dispensers or a rotting zebra carcass after leopard, whether you use a mouth caller, hand box or a battery powered stereo job to bring in the game…

Excluding whether or not it is a terrorist weapon and easily bought here, found in Mexico gangs and Al Qaeda groups or sleeper cells…

Excluding the fact that the cartridge isn’t that accurate, breaks at around 2,500 yards is overly (excessive) powerful in recoil…

Excluding the fact that I’ve got better things to buy with the $8,000 needed for the rifle & optics, and I’ve got lots in that, and higher, price range and excluding the fact that we’ve got to buy .470 NE or .476 WR ($16 each) or .500 NE ($18) or .505 Gibbs ($20) at the store but we're only shooting 3 to 5 for sighting in purposes and whatever for the hunt…

It’s the fact that I’m not going to compete with a $20 to $25 cartridge for target handloads when you need 50 or 100 rounds for a week-end of competition…I’m not that damn rich and that’s really the only damn thing it’s good for and even at that it isn’t that great (my 6.5x284 out shoots it day in and day out at 1,000 yds, my .338 Lapua at 1,500 yds and my .408 CheyTac at 2,000+)…

Would I hunt with one, yes! From a bench/solid rest in a tree house or a high enough hill, that I could, preferably, drive to or at least bring my shooting cart to, with a good ship’s range finder and a pair of spotting binoculars (20+x80 or 100 mm) then for sure…Good expanding bullet, good enough velocity and energy downrange a hit would cause massive nervous system failure, organ damage and broken bones, a huge wound channel to bleed it out (also makes for easier tracking) and won't clot up; I'd shoot it but only with a brake in a 35+ lb rifle and with a bag of shot behind the recoil pad and preferably standing! But, I’d much rather use my own calibers…

Balog
July 21, 2009, 02:55 PM
It's possible. It's legal. If you do it responsibly it's not a problem. But shooting at extreme range is the only real reason to do so, and that is unethical. A hunter should never take a shot unless he has a reasonable certainty of hitting the vitals. Even our snipers with a spotter can't guarantee a first round hit on a man size target at extreme range. Unless you can be reasonably certain of hitting the vitals first shot, you shouldn't fire.

.38 Special
July 21, 2009, 09:02 PM
I mean if I can shoot prairie dogs at 600 yards why can’t I shoot deer as well—slightly larger target…I’m right now gearing up and practicing for my goal of a two mile, 3,520 yards, 3,218.7M varmint kill…

If you can hit varmints at 600 yards every time, on the first try, from a cold clean barrel, from the same position(s) you use to shoot deer, then you are indeed capable of responsibly taking deer at 600 yards and my hat is off to you.

But how often do you miss varmints at 600 yards? Once out of every ten? Twice? And how often do you miss with the very first shot of the day, from a cold clean barrel? And are you going to be shooting at your deer from a benchrest, or from offhand after having spent all day hiking and then making a hurried stalk to get into position?

If you are like nearly every varmint hunter I know, you miss your long range shots far too often for them to be a worthwhile risk on big game -- especially considering that a bullet misplaced by a few inches on a gopher is a clean miss, while the same error on a whitetail buck is a gut shot.

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