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ThrottleJockey72
July 16, 2009, 04:25 AM
There is a bill before congress called S845 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-845). It is a national reciprocity bill that needs our attention. It is scheduled for a hearing next week, but may not make it that far. Senator Thune (the author of the bill) is trying to attach it to the defense bill being voted on this week. Call BOTH of your Senators and pledge your support, IMMEDIATELY. Here is the number for the Capitol switchboard where they are happy to connect you to your "critters". 202-224-3121 The bill has 22 co-sponsors, so there is already quite a bit of support for it, but you can NEVER have too much.

Mods, if this needs to be in another place, please put it there. I thought here would get the most attention the quickest. Thank you.

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ThrottleJockey72
July 16, 2009, 04:32 AM
The funny thing is that it was not the NRAin't that is keeping me up to date on this bill, but OOIDA, a trucking assoc. that I belong to....How's that for proof that the NRAin't just doesn't cut the mustard?

carebear
July 16, 2009, 04:40 AM
Or maybe you could exercise personal responsibility and track its progress yourself?

Just a thought.

The NRA isn't there to hold our hands or fight our battles for us.

ThrottleJockey72
July 16, 2009, 04:44 AM
The NRA isn't there to hold our hands or fight our battles for us.
Actually, yes. That is EXACTLY what they are there for. Additionally, aren't they the group that WE PAY to watch and inform us of these bills? Do you really expect EVERY citizen to babysit congress and keep up with EVERY bill they propose? If you have time to do it, then I suggest perhaps you should get a job. In all the years I have sent them my money, the ONLY time they have EVER contacted me for any reason, was to beg for more money. Then they turn around and lobby AGAINST the cause I pay them to support.

JohnKSa
July 16, 2009, 04:46 AM
Am I the only person who thinks that getting the federal government involved in CCW (in nearly anything for that matter) is a REALLY bad idea?

Seems to me they've got plenty on their plate at the moment and they're doing their level best to screw it up beyond all belief. Based on their track record, I'd like them to stay far, FAR away from my legal ability to carry. I have virtually zero confidence that things would actually improve as a result of getting Congress into the business of writing CCW laws.

ThrottleJockey72
July 16, 2009, 04:50 AM
Am I the only person who thinks that getting the federal government involved in CCW (in nearly anything for that matter) is a REALLY bad idea?
Generally, I am inclined to agree, but if you just follow the link and read the bill, there is NOTHING invasive about it. It simply reads that all states with permits honor all other states permits.

JohnKSa
July 16, 2009, 05:06 AM
Generally, I am inclined to agree, but...Can you think of a single example of something significant that Congress has done in the last century that was as simple and non-intrusive/non-infringing as you're saying that law will be?

Don't let the sight of a tempting carrot cause you to go against your better judgement.

ThrottleJockey72
July 16, 2009, 05:24 AM
Can you think of a single example of something significant that Congress has done in the last century that was as simple and non-intrusive/non-infringing as you're saying that law will be?
Yes, there are plenty of examples. The war which you speak of was fought and lost nearly 150 years ago. The war of northern aggression gave the federal gov WAY too much control over the states, and a national carry law WOULD be a bad thing. This is just a law guaranteeing reciprocity in lieu of the BS we currently deal with. You see, a great number of us are in multiple states on any given day, and are in high risk jobs that make us a target for criminals and often forced to park and sleep in unsafe places. Additionally, we are faced with prison time just for protecting ourselves. Example: I am in the midwest this week, so I bring my gun, now suddenly I am dispatched to New Jersey or California and could be jailed for even having it with me because they have no reciprocity with my state. I see your point, there are a few kinks that will need to be worked out, like in NY, your guns serial number must be on your permit for you to carry legally, and no other state has this requirement......

ThrottleJockey72
July 16, 2009, 05:31 AM
Here it is in full, pretty straight forward and to the point. In fact, probably the simplest and shortest bill I have ever seen.
S 845 IS

111th CONGRESS

1st Session

S. 845

To amend chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, to allow citizens who have concealed carry permits from the State in which they reside to carry concealed firearms in another State that grants concealed carry permits, if the individual complies with the laws of the State.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

April 21, 2009

Mr. THUNE (for himself, Mr. BARRASSO, Mr. BEGICH, Mr. BENNETT, Mr. BROWNBACK, Mr. BURR, Mr. CHAMBLISS, Mr. COBURN, Mr. COCHRAN, Mr. CRAPO, Mr. DEMINT, Mr. ENSIGN, Mr. ENZI, Mr. GRAHAM, Mr. GRASSLEY, Mr. HATCH, Mr. INHOFE, Mr. ISAKSON, Mr. MARTINEZ, Mr. RISCH, Mr. ROBERTS, Mr. VITTER, and Mr. WICKER) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

A BILL

To amend chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, to allow citizens who have concealed carry permits from the State in which they reside to carry concealed firearms in another State that grants concealed carry permits, if the individual complies with the laws of the State.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the ‘Respecting States Rights and Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2009’.

SEC. 2. RECIPROCITY FOR THE CARRYING OF CERTAIN CONCEALED FIREARMS.

(a) In General- Chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after section 926C the following:

‘Sec. 926D. Reciprocity for the carrying of certain concealed firearms

‘Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof:

‘(1) A person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and is carrying a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of any State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm, may carry a concealed firearm in accordance with the terms of the license or permit in any State that allows its residents to carry concealed firearms, subject to the laws of the State in which the firearm is carried concerning specific types of locations in which firearms may not be carried.

‘(2) A person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and is otherwise than as described in paragraph (1) entitled to carry a concealed firearm in and pursuant to the law of the State in which the person resides, may carry a concealed firearm in accordance with the laws of the State in which the person resides in any State that allows its residents to carry concealed firearms, subject to the laws of the State in which the firearm is carried concerning specific types of locations in which firearms may not be carried.’.

(b) Clerical Amendment- The table of sections for chapter 44 of title 18 is amended by inserting after the item relating to section 926C the following:

‘926D. Reciprocity for the carrying of certain concealed firearms.’.

SEC. 3. EFFECTIVE DATE.

The amendments made by this Act shall take effect 90 days after the date of enactment of this Act.

everallm
July 16, 2009, 09:44 AM
Actually there is a sneaky (good sneaky) element to this.

To allow citizens who have concealed carry permits from the State in which they reside to carry concealed firearms in another State that grants concealed carry permits, if the individual complies with the laws of the State.

It means that, for example, an FL holder could carry in ANY state that "officially" allows CCW which would include oooooooh NY and NJ.

Since the residents of these states would NOT be able to effectively enjoy the same rights its an instant SC challenge on 14th (and possibly 9th) amendment grounds,

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