[DeepSouth]

I have been out of the BP loop for around 15 years and I was thinking about getting back in with an 1851 Navy. Anyway I was looking around at some different brands and of course I was looking hard at the ones in Cabela's because they are so much cheaper than most others.

I have a friend that told me he ordered on several years ago and in less than 50rnds it "fell apart all the guts just fell out." He actually offered to give me the gun, but I'm unsure if I could find quality parts and he said it had been beaten up pretty bad over the years. I have also read the reviews on the Cabelas site, they seem to positive but some negative feedback is in there, and I don't really trust them anyway because I believe most people write the reviews after only a little shooting.


So my basic question is are they of good quality or should I save up for a better one.

By the way, what happened to the Uberti's? In 2003 1851's were $219 now they are over $500, has 2003 been that long?

[Voodoochile]

Pietta has come a long way in their quality of their products & I would buy another one today if I was in the market & $$$ were in my pocket, I have 3 Piettas & so far have had reat service with each of them.

Now with that said, if it is a brass framed revolver, although they are good pieces you must realize that you can not load them to full power as you could a steel framed one because over time the brass if subjected to the heavy loads can stretch & be damaged, but if you keep the loads relatively moderate "say 24gr. FFFG max" then those brass framed revolvers will last you a life time & shoot admirably..

[madcratebuilder]

At over $500 you are probably looking at 2nd and 3rd gen Colts. The Italian guns are much less money. Check Gunbroker.com and you well see what's on the market. Last year I found a 1969 Uberti made, Navy Arms 51 civilian model for $99. It's been an excellent shooter. Quality can be hit or miss with all brands, Colt included.

[fyrfyter43]

By the way, what happened to the Uberti's? In 2003 1851's were $219 now they are over $500, has 2003 been that long?

Where have you seen Uberti 1851s for over $500? According to Uberti's website, the MSRP is $329. Most dealers will price them about $280 - $300.

I wish I could answer your question about Cabelas C&B guns, but I have no experience with them. But I have heard from several people that Pietta's quality has improved significantly over the past few years.

[Olmontanaboy]

By the way, what happened to the Uberti's? In 2003 1851's were $219 now they are over $500, has 2003 been that long?

Most of the Uberti 1851 navys I've come across are around $275 to $300, you can get a Uberti Walker for around $400 at Cabelas. The steel frame Pietta Navy that Cabelas sells is a decent gun for $200. I like to buy in person if possible and examine the gun very well, I find the quality of the same model varies some. One thing about Cabelas I like is their excellent return policy, you don't like it send it back for replacement or refund, your choice. None of the repro percussion revolvers are as robust as a Ruger Old Army percussion revolver in my openion and will take a little work to keep running smoothly. Their not as bad as some would have you believe though. Given proper care and reasonable loading their a lot of fun.

[bigbadgun]

I have a 1851 Pietta Colt and love it. The fit and finish is perfect and the lock up is also perfect. I lightened the trigger pull on mine and it is one of my favorite shooters.

[BMF500]

I think mine is great. It can take some work to keep that brass clean and shining. Lot's of fun. Almost no recoil. My 8yo nephew handles it like a champ..."let's shoot your old cowboy gun again".

[Das Jaeger]

:Dand they are pretty nice , I vote yes on Pietta , no on Cabelas .
Given a choice I would buy from Dxie Gun Works . Not only is there return policy exceptional as is Cabelas , they have an on-sight gunsmith , for free on your purchase if you have any problems . I also think they watch there guns going out the door MUCH better than Cabelas does .
I just bought these two a few months ago at $225 each , silver plated backstraps , in the corrrect .36 caliber. You cannot go wrong , and they are flawless in finish and function right out of the box . Even have good trigger pulls , who'd of thunk it ! :)
There is a little box in the order window on your on-line purchase . Put "Please MAKE SURE this gun is perfect before you send it to me " and they will ! :D You can even have there gunsmith give it the once over too to realy make sure its a good one , for free , before they ship to you . :D How can you lose on that ! :D
I have bought MANY from both companys , but no longer use the other , Why would I ?

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/5150kelly/100_0567.jpg

And now with some real lovin !

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/5150kelly/100_0577.jpg

Good luck , and all thumbs up for Pietta !

Das Jaeger

[BMF500]

:DThem are Purdee!

[Das Jaeger]

and I like your quote !
I plan on using that today on someone ! Hee hee hee :D

OooRarrhhhh ! Das Jaeger

[pohill]

I usually buy used guns but the new guns that I bought, that needed work, went directly to Traditions (Pietta) or Taylors (Uberti). They will fix, repair or replace for a year (they both keep track of the serial numbers of the guns they sell). Both have sent me new parts (triggers, hammers, bolt springs, etc) at no charge. I'd rather fix minor problems with a BP gun then send it back and get a new one with new minor problems.

[Das Jaeger]

sells Pietta too , bought some there too , those gals are the greatest there at Taylors ! :D

Das Jaeger

[Ratdog68]

LOL I likes that quote he has too. Put a giggle on my mug as soon as I saw it. :D

[BMF500]

Pre-she-ate you fellas. That's really how I feel about all that garbage......


DeepSouth, really, go get one, you won't be disappointed. The starter kit is kind of cheesey (mainly the powder flask, junk), but it will get you going. The revolver is great. I've recommended it to several friends as a first BP. After seeing and shooting mine, they were sold.

Oh and mine likes #10 Remmington caps, even though I was told #11.

[ClemBert]

I just asked a similar question over on TFL about the 1851 Navy .36 Caliber Blued/White Revolver (http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3594981#post3594981) then I saw your post here. Although, I'm specifically asking about the above model.

[Das Jaeger]

Yeh they are SWEET with a capital SWEEEEEEET :D
Yup, Cabelas is the only place to get them too , and they are in the RIGHT caliber too .36 ..........
I in the whited my frame , can't see the engraving worth a crap without it this way , fore warning . This is one of Piettas better models for sure .
I inlayed real Colt Medallions too in grip . The grips are very nice , heavy synthetic , real heavy , nice handlin gun here , you need to just buy this one , you won't be disapointed whatsoever . Buy it , and if you don't like it I will buy it from you thats how confident I am . :D

One of my real true loves here , I really like this gun allot , its beautiful too :

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/5150kelly/100_0313.jpg
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/5150kelly/100_0315.jpg
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/5150kelly/100_0225.jpg

Worth every penny too . :D

Das Jaeger

[AussieTH]

Nice gun Jaeger - how much $????

[rondog]

I have an .44 1851 Colt Navy clone that I got at Bass Pro Shop. Came in a "kit" for about $200 on sale. Certainly made in Italy, but the maker's name escapes me. Pietta sounds familar though. Anyway, I've had it out shooting a few times, and I've NEVER seen where the damn balls are hitting. Needless to say, I'm not impressed with it.

I thought BP pistol shooting would be oh-so-cool, but I kinda like to see some results once in awhile. And this was shooting off of various rests, taking careful aim and squeezing very slowly. NEVER hit what I was aiming for, NEVER seen a hole in the paper at all. And the way the percussion cap fragments jam up the cylinder, makes me wonder how many people died or were wounded because of their revolver locking up from cap fragments.

So, it doesn't get to go play with the other kids when we go shootin'. It's purty though.

[BMF500]

If you score the one like Jaeger's and don't like it I'll buy it from you, no B.S. I've been looking for a new BP anyway.....and I like that one. Just don't tell my wife!!!!

[jcowan]

I just bought a Pietta '51 Navy, it is 36 cal with the 5 1/2" barrel. It is my new favorite gun. Fit and finish is great, I can't wait to shoot it.

[Das Jaeger]

I have had this one a few years , I would say three or four years ?
I paid $279 U.S.A money without shipping I believe . I would pay up to $350 for it now after owning one , no problem there . :D

Where you been buddy ? :cool:


Das Jaeager :D

[Das Jaeger]

:D What the hay buddy , I thought I scammed on this guys gun first here buddy if he doesn't like it :neener:
You guys are ruthless , I don't owne enough guns yet man , give this poor guy ( me ) a chance would ya :D

Just kidding , but it looks like his desicion should be made now about the gun if he's in his right mind . :what: There is definately a buyer , you or me :D

Oh , I got to watch you know though BMF500 :neener: :D:cool::)
Now I know what your intials stand for , and you don't want to know what I have them named either :D

Das Jaeger :)

[ClemBert]

I'm gonna buy one. They are currently $60 off. On sale for $239.99 at Cabellas. Jaeger, how many will you buy from me at $350? :evil:

[Ratdog68]

He likes to dicker... watch 'im come back atcha with $375.00 :D

[Das Jaeger]

that Pietta copy'd me on the two pice grip here ! Smart aren't they ! :D
I did um first , then Pietta , remember that little tid-bit on the Colt Navy in this model . :D They musta saw my work and realized its a much better design . .
Hey wait a minute , my head doesn't fit through this door anymore :what:

Just teazin , but this is one of the only Pietta 51's that comes stock with two piece grips . Sweet ! :D

Das Jaeger

[BMF500]

I hear ya Jaeger, no harm intended:evil: This thread has me BP shopping again. At this rate I'll never get that Sako.:(

[AussieTH]

Never mind your hard luck stories mate - how much do you want to ship it to New Britain?

Do you think if I fed it well it may grow up to be a Walker????:)

[Das Jaeger]

Well , I would pay anyone up to $350 for one , but for you , I would let you pay me $375 to take it off your hands :D

Jaeger :D

[Das Jaeger]

and why would you want a SAKO anyway ? :D Especailly when they still make Styre Manlichers today ?
I am glad my inspiration has your bank account draining as we speak for more cap and ball guns though , you deserve it :D

Das Jaeger

[Das Jaeger]

if thats actualy legal I would be more than happy to send ya one .
But like everything else in my life I have little too no time to look into the details of it.
You find out , and I will send you one it if its legal .

NOTHING is a Walker but a Walker :D Sorry , but this pop gun would leave you disapointed in its growth to adulthood , what you see is what you get , its a small little misfit gun for misfits . :D

Das Jaeger ;)

[BHP FAN]

Just beautiful.

[Ratdog68]

What a guy you is !! LOL With a buddy like you... who needs a toothache !! :neener:

[NobleSniper]

Love that engraved Navy ;)

[Das Jaeger]

so now you want a toothache from me too , damn your greedy :D :neener:

Perfect Tru-Oil weather , hope your taking advantage of it as I am :D

Jaeger :cool:

[Das Jaeger]

sublimminal messege from Jaegermiester :

Noble needs an engraved 51 , Noble needs and engraved 51 .....

Did it work ?

Das Jaeger :D

[NobleSniper]

Actually I have been wanting a set of 51;s for quite some time. I like things in pairs (LOL) :D

[Das Jaeger]

Subliminal messege number 2 :

Noble needs 2 engraved 51's , Noble needs 2 engraved 51's ....

Did it work ?

Jaeger :D

[AussieTH]

OK, if I may I am claiming first refusal on this one please.

Now DJ please email me an address the USPS can use - I know roughly where you live. I take it you have a post office somewhere in the neighbourhood? I take it you have a neighbourhood??? Or have you shot it out already?

Aye

T.

[Ratdog68]

so now you want a toothache from me too , damn your greedy :D :neener:

Perfect Tru-Oil weather , hope your taking advantage of it as I am :D

Jaeger :cool:
Just finished buffing the stock and puting another coat on while it hangs on the porch.

It gets a day off tomorrow... goin' feeshun' !!! I hear King Salmon calling to me ! Gots me feeshun license... sharpened up my fillet knives. 'Gis waitin' on the logistical update call.

[Ratdog68]

if thats actualy legal I would be more than happy to send ya one .
But like everything else in my life I have little too no time to look into the details of it.
You find out , and I will send you one it if its legal .

NOTHING is a Walker but a Walker :D Sorry , but this pop gun would leave you disapointed in its growth to adulthood , what you see is what you get , its a small little misfit gun for misfits . :D

Das Jaeger ;)
Look out Jaegermeister... I think he's eyeballing your "in the white" one... instead of one of the Cabela's "it's on sale" ones. Sneaky Pete, that Aussie is. :evil:

[Das Jaeger]

Not fallowin ya here , what do you mean ?

"OK , if I may I am claiming first refusal on this one please "
???????????????????????????????? say what ?

My question is , why not order from Cabelas yourself , I think they ship over the pond Mate ?

And yes , I have neighbors and a neighborhood , and they FEAR ME :evil:

Das Jaeger :D

[Ratdog68]

Not fallowin ya here , what do you mean ?

"OK , if I may I am claiming first refusal on this one please "
???????????????????????????????? say what ?

My question is , why not order from Cabelas yourself , I think they ship over the pond Mate ?

And yes , I have neighbors and a neighborhood , and they FEAR ME :evil:

Das Jaeger :D
LOL What's the pucker-factor richtor scale reading about now? :D

[Das Jaeger]

Hey Mate , good luck fishin , catcha bigun for me , send it to me in a box wrapped in newspaper like my cussin Vinnie used to do . :D

Das Jaeger :D:evil:

[jmaubin]

I have two Pietti's a .44 cal 1860 colt and a .44cal 1858 Remi ( couldn't decide which I liked better, so of cource I had to be fair, I got both) I love them both, for their cost they can't be beat. The colt I got from Dixie Gun works, great people to deal with. The Remington from Cabela's, also wonderful people to deal with.

The only problem I'm having now is trying to get my wife to understand that for me to truly be "fair" that I need to add a "Uberti" to the collection. It's just not right to play "favorites" by just having "Pietti's" and that it's only right to give Uberti a chance to prove it's self as well.

Please understand that it is only my belief in "fair play" that moves me to want to add to my collection.

Oh by the way if you belive any of this, let me know I have this "swamp land" and......................

[Ratdog68]

Hey Mate , good luck fishin , catcha bigun for me , send it to me in a box wrapped in newspaper like my cussin Vinnie used to do . :D

Das Jaeger :D:evil:
How's 'bout the trunk of yer car? :evil: Headin' out the door soon !

[Das Jaeger]

I dont like have a trunck of a car , now what you gonna do ? :D
Since your stumped now , you can send me your model of that engraved 51 your going to buy soon , okeedokeee , were square now I figure :D

Das Jaeger , that's whatchin his back from the BMF and Aussie now :D
Scoundrals I tell ya :D A Texan and an Aussie gangin up on the Jaeger , this can't be good ? For them , hee hee hee :cool:

[ClemBert]

I went ahead and ordered one. $299.99 on sale at $239.99...sign up for Cabellas VISA and get $15 off. Special $5 shipping on orders over $150. Final price: $229.99

Not too bad a price I suppose. Hopefully it'll be worth it.

The best part is if I don't like it Jaeger will give me $350 for it. :D

[Das Jaeger]

I thought we been through this :D
You'll love it , not like it .
I wish I could afford a half dozen of them right now . No, a dozen . No two dozen ?
Congrats , hope you do like it , if not its got a home .

Jaeger

[Ratdog68]

I dont like have a trunck of a car , now what you gonna do ? :D
Since your stumped now , you can send me your model of that engraved 51 your going to buy soon , okeedokeee , were square now I figure :D

Das Jaeger , that's whatchin his back from the BMF and Aussie now :D
Scoundrals I tell ya :D A Texan and an Aussie gangin up on the Jaeger , this can't be good ? For them , hee hee hee :cool:
LOL Otay... yer off the hook this time. :D Well... I managed to bring the first Chinook Salmon to the boat for the morning. The only problem is... it was just a little shy of being "keep it legal"... so... off the hook it was before getting inside the boat. One other guy got one the same size... and then the 11yr. old (boat's owner) hooked a nice one. Unfortunately, he was horsin' on the rod and it spit the unbarbed hook and got away. The boat owner had only a couple of hours available for fishin'... so, we were back on shore by 0900 hrs. So... I went to work yesterday afterall.

All in all... had some fun and itchin' to go fishin' again soon.

[AussieTH]

The only civilised way to go fisuhing is with hand grenades and a big landing net. Nice clean catch and less effort - plus the bragging rights are unreal - nothing gets away!!!

[arcticap]

Shooting fish is allowed in Vermont on Lake Champlain and the article mentions that it's legal in one place in Virginia too.
So bring your muzzle loader [or Walker] to Vermont and give it try! :D

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1284251/posts

In 1969, fish and wildlife officials in New York and Vermont banned fish shooting. But Vermonters were loath to sever the primal link between fish and firearm, so in 1970, the Legislature not only reinstated the sport, it also added fish like carp and shad to the target list, bringing the number to 10.


http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/blog/mattc/2007/03/loaded-for-pike-waiting-for-ice-out.html

[ClemBert]

My favorite target on Lake Champlain

http://z.about.com/d/paranormal/1/0/y/Q/1/champ.jpg

Am I gonna need to bring something bigger than my ROA?

[scrat]

HELL YA i am thinking about getting another one. they are great

hahahah i feel like tony the tiger saying that. "They are Great"

[firescout]

I bought a Pietta 1851 .36 Navy from Cabela's for Christmas '07. When I got it, I fully disassembled it, cleaned it out, polished up some internal parts, and reassembled it. I also sanded the grips to more closely match the frame. For the money, (I believe) it is a very good C&B gun and my gun is an accurate shooter at 25 yds.

One thing I did to improve the cap firing reliability, was to polish all the nipples with emery and crocus cloth. Initially, #10 Rem caps were loose, and #10 CCI were tight (too high). While polishing, I miked them to ensure diameter consistency. Now, a CCI #10 cap fits very well on them, and the ignition reliability is virtually 100%.

[Cutter]

I just bought a '51 Navy Confederate from Cabela's for $174 even! Just waiting on the mail man to come bring me my piece. However...seeing as this was an impulse buy and also my first black powder gun, I will have to learn quickly. Oops, oh well.

[drhiii]

$60 off? Cabelas? How often do they rotate sales like that? Zow.

[madcratebuilder]

About every 90 days. Sign up for the e-mail list, they well start sending discount codes that can be applied to on sale items to really bring the price down.

[drhiii]

Every 90 days. I'll be darned. Am poking around an 1858 and am undecided as to what I want to do. Sales do influence fer sure.

tx a mil