Pump Shotgun Described by Officials as Automatic Weapon Meant to Hunt Nothing But Men


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Phatty
July 16, 2009, 11:15 AM
I saw in the news this morning about a gun battle between Jersey City police and two armed robbery suspects. The mayor mentioned that one of the suspects had "a shotgun, not a regular shotgun, some type of a automatic shotgun." I'm assuming that the shotgun was a run-of-the-mill semiauto. However, it was described as not being "regular" so could it have possibly been some type of fully-auto shotgun?

The police chief stated, "This individual came fully ready to go to war with us. This is not a normal shotgun. This is not a street weapon. This is one that's meant to hunt nothing other than men."

I'm assuming that the shotgun was a run-of-the-mill semiauto, that instead of having a camo paint job, was all black and maybe had some scary looking accessories. However, it was described as not being "regular" or "normal" so could it have possibly been some type of fully-auto shotgun?

Here's the link to the story: http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/local_news/new_jersey/090716_police_officer_shot_in_wild_shootout_in_jersey_city

You need to watch the videos with the actual statements, rather than just the written story.

Edit: I watched further into the video where the police chief stated that the weapon was a "pump shotgun"!!! The reason it was such an abnormal weapon: It had a retractable stock and a strap on it to hold extra shells!!! The chief admitted it wasn't an illegal weapon. Cudos to the reporters for calling them out on their misrepresentations.

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hso
July 16, 2009, 11:22 AM
What is going on here???

Standard errors in reporting and in characterization by folks speaking on camera.

Any shotgun that we might call a "defensive shotgun" might be dramatically spoken about this way by someone on camera interested in heightening the drama of a situation. So they could be talking about anything from an 18" Remington 870 Express with a side saddle and a sling for shells to a Siaga to an antique Atchison.

CoRoMo
July 16, 2009, 11:23 AM
I truly think you should believe next to nothing that is broadcast on TV.

...meant to hunt nothing other than men.

:rolleyes:

Phatty
July 16, 2009, 11:27 AM
The same police chief later states in the briefing that he is trying to be very careful not to give any misinformation to the reporters. I love the irony.

Pine Knob
July 16, 2009, 11:29 AM
Probably an auto-loading shotgun. Around here we use pumps or automatics.
No one calls them semi-automatics.

It would be like calling a a Browning Auto 5 a Browning Semi-Auto 5.

huntsman
July 16, 2009, 11:49 AM
link didn't work,did they pull it down?

Phatty
July 16, 2009, 11:58 AM
Not sure why the link didn't work. Here's the main page. It's the top story.

http://www.myfoxny.com/

Edit: the link in the original post is fixed. It should point right to the story and videos.

CoRoMo
July 16, 2009, 11:58 AM
huntsman...

Try it a couple times. The first time I did, it didn't work, but for some reason after that, it worked fine.

Phatty
July 16, 2009, 12:07 PM
By the way, I think this is the first time I can ever remember where knowledgable reporters called out a misrepresentation/exaggeration of a weapon used in a shooting.

627PCFan
July 16, 2009, 12:11 PM
Consider the source. This guy is a public relations abortion.

TCB in TN
July 16, 2009, 12:21 PM
Impressed with the Reporter, actually asked for details! Sad that the dufus at the mike is so far off the truth!

Phatty
July 16, 2009, 12:42 PM
Most of the initial news stories that I saw on this incident described the weapon as an automatic firearm. However, almost all have now been revised (including the story I linked to originally) to accurately reflect that a pump shogun was used.

bigalexe
July 16, 2009, 12:45 PM
Edit: I watched further into the video where the police chief stated that the weapon was a "pump shotgun"!!! The reason it was such an abnormal weapon: It had a retractable stock and a strap on it to hold extra shells!!! The chief admitted it wasn't an illegal weapon. Cudos to the reporters for calling them out on their misrepresentations.

OMG My mossberg is only meant for people! Good thing i know its useless for clay pigeons now. That must be why i kept missing them was because the shotgun im using is only meant for people.

Maelstrom
July 16, 2009, 12:53 PM
It was a one-eyed, one-horned, giant purple people shooter.

Officers'Wife
July 16, 2009, 12:55 PM
When you consider 6 pellets of 00 buck in a shotgun capable of emptying 5 round magazine in less than a minute translate to at least a cyclic rate of +30, it was only a matter of time for someone to make it a media frenzy.

61chalk
July 16, 2009, 12:56 PM
Why do I think that guy doens't belong to the NRA? Anytime someone hates guns an thinks they all should be banned they will give wrong info. an try an make them into evil guns, my Mossberg .12 ga. has become an Implement of Destruction, only to kill humans.
I hope the deer feel safer now.

franconialocal
July 16, 2009, 12:56 PM
lol...you guys are cracking me up right now....

Funny.....although the shotgun I carry in my cruiser really is inteded for human targets, 99.9% of the time I'm just having to shoot injured moose with it. Go figure.

Should I forward that to the Chief??

By the way....my shotgun really IS and automatic shotgun; I automatically grab it from my side when I need it......

feedthehogs
July 16, 2009, 12:57 PM
One way to combat this misinformation whether its on purpose or just ignorance is to contact papers and news outlets reporting such incidents along with the po po spokesperson and or any politcal official that may be involved and correct them.

Offer them education on the proper terminology and use of firearms.

Many years ago our local 2nd amendment group had a discussion on this problem so now many of our members call everytime there is misinformation presented.

At first the news outlets resisted but after contacting their advertisers they fell in line.

We also left members numbers with the police dept so if they were'nt sure of proper firearm terminology they would be welcome to call. They quickly thought before speaking after that.

Seenterman
July 16, 2009, 02:46 PM
When you consider 6 pellets of 00 buck in a shotgun capable of emptying 5 round magazine in less than a minute translate to at least a cyclic rate of +30, it was only a matter of time for someone to make it a media frenzy.

I can't wait for the belt feed semi auto black shotguns of death to come out!
:D

Grey_Mana
July 16, 2009, 02:46 PM
I need a high-capacity automatic shotgun.

KBintheSLC
July 16, 2009, 03:11 PM
They say "meant for nothing besides men" like its a bad thing. Yes, some weapons are designed for use as weapons. Get over it. There is no "sporting" clause in the Constitution.

There is nothing better than one of these "man slayers" for guarding your castle. The fact remains that sometimes, dirty jobs must be done. Not all people deserve to be protected by the law.

One way to combat this misinformation whether its on purpose or just ignorance is to contact papers and news outlets reporting such incidents along with the po po spokesperson and or any politcal official that may be involved and correct them.

You would be wasting your time. These "reports" are coming from a socialist cesspool called Jersey. They are not trying to report the facts. They are however trying to formulate a public opinion... a public opinion that hates people who own guns. They don't care if you are a criminal or not. They cannot ban guns legally so they are using back door methods like the media to make us look bad. Perhaps a staging event to future bans.

rcmodel
July 16, 2009, 03:17 PM
Maybe it had a shoulder thing that went up!

rc

jakemccoy
July 16, 2009, 03:21 PM
At first the news outlets resisted but after contacting their advertisers they fell in line.

Good point, hitting them where the money has got to be the most effective means.

Phatty
July 16, 2009, 03:24 PM
They say "meant for nothing besides men" like its a bad thing.
You left out the word "hunting," which makes the phrase sound even worse.

A gun possessed for defensive purposes is not meant for men, it just so happens that the primary threat to which the gun may be needed is men. If a crazy robot or space alien attacked your house, you'd reach for that same shotgun to defend yourself.

There is definitely a double standard when it comes to guns as between the police and civilians. If a civilian owns a handgun, then that handgun's sole purpose is to kill people. If a police officer owns the exact same handgun, then that handgun's sole purpose is to preserve the peace.

Bennyb747
July 16, 2009, 03:45 PM
Now if the guy had something like this, then I could almost understand the "Ready to go to war" thing...
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/Kevin_Benson24/Picture002-1.jpg

IdahoLT1
July 16, 2009, 04:00 PM
Maybe it had a shoulder thing that went up!

rc

What like a barrel shroud?

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
July 16, 2009, 04:09 PM
If that second fat guy is indicative of the level of mental acumen and training of the average police superior or spokesman in that state, then Forrest Gump would be king there.

"Was there anything illegal about the shotgun?"

"The fact that he HAD it was illegal."

Turns it this "automatic of some type" was a PUMP shotgun, and had a dreaded "retractable stock", a sling, and extra shells.

danweasel
July 16, 2009, 04:29 PM
How about if he said. "meant to KILL nothing other than men". Would that be better? The gun is/was, after all.

armoredman
July 16, 2009, 05:45 PM
Ah, but if it was a SPAS 12, he would be right, both times. :)

indie
July 16, 2009, 06:28 PM
lmao i read this p.o.s. article earlier and thought about this forum and wondered if it had been posted.


i cant get on here at work or anything in the "Weapons" category

Officers'Wife
July 16, 2009, 09:44 PM
It's amazing in it's own way. Five policemen shot and brave EMT's pulling the wounded out of harms way under fire. A detail where obviously dangerous drug dealers are being watched. Yet the chief of police is worried about firearms. So while this may be a bit of thread drift- let me say for the record... Thank God, for the EMT's bravery and that none of the policemen were killed. My prayers for the wounded men and sincere thank you to the squad that took these two dangerous persons off the street once and for all.

Item last, a shotgun is not an assault weapon. For that matter, an AK-47 or an M-16 is not an assault weapon- unless there are assault people holding them. To paraphrase Shakespeare: not in our weapons, police chief, but in ourselves.

Uncle Curt
July 16, 2009, 09:52 PM
I truly think you should believe next to nothing that is broadcast on TV.

Well said...........

JohnBT
July 16, 2009, 09:55 PM
"meant to hunt nothing other than men."

Yeah, so's a short skirt and high heels. :evil:

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