any good 900 fps loads for 230g XTP?


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1858rem
July 16, 2009, 07:31 PM
i see plenty of data for 230g jacketed bullets, but none listed as only for the 230xtp, and id be leery of generalized data like i see in the lee manual, or using similar load data for other bullets.

the case seems that XTP's always have different COL's and max loads than other types of JHP.

i plan to use AA#5, lee lists 8.7 max for a jacketed 230g bullet....seems too high... i was thinking 8.3-8.4, what do you think?
id really like to find data for this particular bullet/powder combo.

if AA#5 wont do it, i also have
bullseye
unique
titegroup
and universal to try. id like to see 900fps but 825+ will be fine also, i just want to be sure they expand

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Walkalong
July 16, 2009, 07:47 PM
AA #5 will get them to 850 FPS, but I am not sure about 900 FPS. That may be pushing it. Power Pistol should get close. Early Enforcer data with 230 Gr jacketed bullets was impressive, very impressive, but it is sure to be hard on guns.

Makers design their hollow points to open up at normal velocities for the caliber. The 230 Gr XTP at 850 FPS should do anything reasonable asked of it.

8.5 Grs of AA #5 and a Zero 230 Gr JHP @ 1.245 O.A.L. gave me an Avg 859 FPS from a 4" CDP in 85 Degree temps.

8.4 Grs of AA #5 and a Berrys 230 Gr RN @ 1.265 O.A.L. gave me an Avg 827 FPS from an unknown 1911 (forgot to log, but probably the 4" CDP since it was Load #24 vs Load #21) in 80 Degree temps.


These loads are under the max by Accurate with 230 Gr jacketed bullets, and proved safe and accurate in my gun. Check data, reduce load and work up, especially with the plated bullet.

Walkalong
July 16, 2009, 07:52 PM
Oh yea.

Accurate (http://www.accuratepowder.com/reloading.htm) shows max as 8.7 Grs AA #5 with a 230 Gr Nos FMJ at 1.250 O.A.L. for 927 FPS @ 19,300PSI

They are sometimes optimistic in their data. (read-some of it is pretty hot) IMHO

Ol` Joe
July 16, 2009, 08:58 PM
Hornady treats the XTP the same as all its other 230 gr jacketed bullets in their manual, and half the loads are at 900 fps for that wgt
I`d check Hodgdons web site and see what they have to offer that fits your wants..if you don`t have a Hornady manual. Hodgdon 230 gr 45 acp data is built on Hornady bullets (FMJ)

1858rem
July 16, 2009, 09:05 PM
i just thought 8.7 sounded really high, is that load ok with stock recoil springs? i have a 5" rock island 1911 model if that helps.

i printed the hodgdon data off but i thought the difference in bullet profile and bearing surface would be quite a bit different because of the hollow cavity....

LightningMan
July 16, 2009, 09:51 PM
Speer No. 11 manual shows a load for 230 gr. FMJ using the max data of 9.1 grs. of HS-6. Gives a velocity of 910 fps. Don't know if that helps for XTP JHP's. LM

Galil5.56
July 16, 2009, 10:11 PM
Speer No. 11 manual shows a load for 230 gr. FMJ using the max data of 9.1 grs. of HS-6. Gives a velocity of 910 fps. Don't know if that helps for XTP JHP's. LM

I recently tested some 230 Gold Dots with 8.8 grains of HS-6 from my 4.4" Sig Sauer P220, and my ProChrono Digital says it's a very consistent 842 fps avg. No pressure issues at all, pretty accurate, and boringly repeatable uniform expansion when tested. I'd say a fast 1911 barrel and the 9.1 grain max mentioned will get you to/damn close to 900 fps with these XTP's. Speer pistol data of this vintage seems to correlate well to my own efforts, and I find it the most reliable with regard to velocities I actually get.

Personally for SD, I stick to these Speers, and am going to load up some Sierra 230's to test, and then maybe some Bulk WW 230 JHP's/Remington 230 GS's whenever I can find some. I have seen spotty expansion results with Hornady XTP even at std hardball velocities, and have dismal first hand expansion results with their other XTP HP pistol bullets to make me steer away from them for SD. Darn shame, as they are usually priced well, and shoot accurately in my experience.

bfoosh006
July 16, 2009, 10:15 PM
This might help...http://www.realguns.com/loads/45auto.htm

+P Brass and a stiffer recoil spring is recommended !

1858rem
July 17, 2009, 10:26 PM
well they dont expand!

i loaded 20 with 8.2g AA#5 and std primer, i did not chrono the load yet but i thought for sure these would easily expand if shot through a milk jug!

this sucks, anyone else have this problem?

Marlin 45 carbine
July 18, 2009, 12:35 AM
I've got some XTP slugs loaded I haven't tryed. if they don't expand well the penetration will be there I suppose.
If you can find any try Rem Golden Sabre - they shoot better in my pistols anyway and will expand. and stay together.

Mark whiz
July 18, 2009, 12:45 AM
If this will help for a comparison, using my Mil-Spec 1911-A1:
230gr Rem Golden Saber with 8.5gr of AA#5 with a 1.245" OAL yields 821fps on my Chrony.

bhawkeye
July 18, 2009, 01:13 AM
5.7-5.8 gr Universal with COL of 1.235 will get you there(885-905 on my chrono from 5" S&W 1911) - BUT it is close to Max, so you need to work it up - no implication that this is safe in your gun - but I use it in mine.

LogicGS
July 18, 2009, 02:00 AM
I load 230 grn XTP's as follows:

Brass: Hornady +P
Bullet: Hornady XTP JHP
Bullet Weight: 230 grn
Powder: VihtaVouri N340
Charge Weight: 6.8 grn
Primer: Federal 150 (Standard Large Pistol)
COL: 1.23"

The above combo gave me the following velocity data when fired from a 5" Springfield 1911:

Rounds: 25
High: 948 FPS
Low: 897.6 FPS
E.S.: 50.4 FPS
Ave.: 928.4 FPS
S.D.: 14.8 FPS
95%: 12.1 FPS

NOTE: This load is 0.1 grn ABOVE the listed MAX in the Hornady 7th Edition Reloading Manual - USE AT YOUR OWN RISK.

When I dug a few out of the back stop on my range, all the bullets had fully expanded (actually, OVER expanded, but what do you expect from dirt? ;) ).

If you are not getting expansion in water jugs, I believe I would blame the testing media, not the bullet.

Try a hunk of chuck roast or a stack of wet phone books with this load and see what happens. I think you'll find the bullets perform admirably when subjected to a target medium of the proper density.

1858rem
July 18, 2009, 07:43 AM
i have been loading COL to 1.255, since the lee manual listed min at 1.250.

where did you find the data for universal?

smokey262
July 18, 2009, 09:17 AM
FUI: The Hornady book says 1.23" for the 230gr XTP

1858rem
July 18, 2009, 09:33 AM
is that using AA#5? in the lee manual it was seated at 1.250 min and all the others were varied COL's which is something i only seem to see in the lee manual....

Walkalong
July 18, 2009, 10:07 AM
Doesn't matter the powder, use 1.230 to 1.235 O.A.L.. The factory ones I measured where right at 1.233.

If your manual worked up the load with a different O.A.L. you must also take into consideration the length of the bullet used and how far in the case it is compared to your bullet (The XTP in this case), when loaded at 1.230 to 1.235. You may not know the length of the one used of course.

That Nosler FMJ is going to be longer than the XTP JHP, so I would not worry about it.

A Ranier 230 Gr RN is about .658 long.

A Berrys 230 Gr RN is about .640 long.

A Zero 230 Gr JHP is about .646 long.

A Hornady 230 Gr TrFP is about .619 long. (This one throws folks because listed in load books folks assume the RN shape)

I don't have a Hornady 230 Gr XTP to measure, but you do.

1858rem
July 18, 2009, 10:28 AM
xtp varied from .642-.644, the few 230g FMJ i pulled before i broke my 2x4 puller measured .660

1858rem
July 18, 2009, 10:29 AM
i found one that expanded nicely, im pretty sure it hit the jug and the nonexpanded one probably was the one i missed.

Walkalong
July 18, 2009, 10:29 AM
There is your .015 plus. No worries then. Right? :)

1.250 minus 1.230 or 1.235.

Basically the 230 Gr RN at 1.250 is pretty much the same seating depth wise as the 230 XTP at 1.230.

1858rem
July 18, 2009, 10:30 AM
ill chrono some at 1.255 and some at 1.235 and see if there is a difference.

Walkalong
July 18, 2009, 10:32 AM
There will be a small difference. Interesting to see what it is.

1858rem
July 18, 2009, 06:11 PM
ok first know i only chronoed 6 rounds since these actually cost a pretty penny to load. i also did not wright the numbers but i do remember the first two digits of the extremes

first 3 at 1.255
1) 830 fps
2) 850 fps
3) 890 fps

last 3 at 1.235
1) 840
2) 860
3) 850


first 4 and the last shot went into .650" center to center
#5 i flinched pretty bad and missed the group by about 3"

the group was about 3" high and 2" to the right of my target at 40 feet

ArchAngelCD
July 18, 2009, 11:21 PM
I agree HS-6 will get you very close if not right to 900 fps. Also, I'm sure Longshot will get you there with a jacketed bullet. Longshot is very clean when pushed up near it's top end of the charge range ans it's accurate in the .45 Auto. Even though HS-6 is one of my favorite powders I like it better with lead bullets in the .45 and I prefer Longshot with jacketed bullets in the .45, especially with heavier jacketed bullets.

ForneyRider
July 19, 2009, 08:31 PM
I use Power Pistol with 230gr XTP/JHP to get "+P loads" at ~950fps.

WLP primer and mixed brass. Measure carefully, one went through the chrony at 1000fps and was uncomfortable through my 1911.

1858rem
July 19, 2009, 10:34 PM
i might get a lb of power pistol after i find a job then, and HS-6:D

ArchAngelCD
July 19, 2009, 11:16 PM
While Power Pistol seems to be a very good powder with multiple applications I just can't get past the excessive flash it produces.

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