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dakotasin
July 17, 2009, 08:07 AM
anybody know what ar-15 manufacturers/assemblers have caught up w/ their backlogs?

specifically, i am looking for a lightweight (20" pencil barrel) complete upper, and want to place an order, but don't want it sitting in backorder status forever.

thanks for any help!

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mp5a3
July 17, 2009, 08:56 AM
I've heard a lot of manufacterers (sp) are still filling orders from December, but who knows. If that's the case then we're pretty far from the shortage being over.

It almost seems we need a name for it .. "The great gun and ammo shortage of 2008-2009"

c5_nc
July 17, 2009, 09:01 AM
JT is suppost to be the shortest average weight ~2-3 months of the kit companies. Many manufactors are caught up, you would be buying from a dealer not a manufactor so not sure why this is a concern for you, just find what is instock at local dealers or online retailers. The model you seek is one of the lowest demand items, most of demand is for midlenghts and M4s, then carbines after that. 20"ers are slow sellers unless its a varmint setup.

hags
July 17, 2009, 09:01 AM
I can tell you that LMT is still months out.
Most others have caught up.

lipadj46
July 17, 2009, 10:15 AM
There are going to be a bunch of cancelled orders so I would just bide my time and keep your eyes open on the usual sites and gunbroker.

mp5a3
July 17, 2009, 10:30 AM
Why would people cancel their orders ? Perhaps they don't feel an AWB is a pressing issue ?

hags
July 17, 2009, 10:54 AM
I haven't cancelled anything and I don't mind sitting on inventory. You know sooner rather than later it's coming.
After healthcare and cap and trade guns will be in the news again.

SHvar
July 17, 2009, 11:20 AM
I was told that there was a 6-9 month wait several months ago with Bushmaster, then reduced later to 5-6 months, when I ordered my GP upper I was told to expect 3-5 months, when the email showed up that it was shipping it was only days later, I got it 2 weeks after I ordered it.
I think there isnt a long wait now, or the wait was far over estimated by all companies. Even LMT said 2-3 months around the time I ordered (one company I contacted and looked at their GP rifles).

mcdonl
July 17, 2009, 11:27 AM
Parts are hard to get but whole new guns seem plentyful. Around here anyway.

mp5a3
July 17, 2009, 11:33 AM
I'm looking for a Bolt and Carrier, still hard to find

lipadj46
July 17, 2009, 11:34 AM
Why would people cancel their orders ?

Maybe the economy? It's easy to place an order for a $1200 rifle you will buy in 8 months but now that those orders are coming up? We will see.

Perhaps they don't feel an AWB is a pressing issue ?

Remember the story about the boy who cried wolf? That little trick worked once to get people all stirred up. Next time it will take more than gunshop talk and interweb babble to get people out there buying like we just saw. Sure there are people in DC who want a ban but there are many who will fight it too. Once Obabma get's done with healthcare and cap and trade he will have zero chance of pushing through an AWB. Once people really get a handle on what a multi trillion dollar budget deficit means (yes China literally owns the USA) there is going to be a bit of a backlash I believe.

Of course that is my $.02 some people did and will profit from another big panic spree so it is always prudent to fact check where your info is coming from.

winknplink
July 17, 2009, 11:35 AM
Agree with Mcdonl. My local store (central Ky) is keeping between 20-30 complete rifles in stock at all times and has been for a month or better. Lowers, kits, uppers...all there too.

FWIW, what they don't have are AR optic and buis options.

hags
July 17, 2009, 11:39 AM
Remember the story about the boy who cried wolf? That little trick worked once to get people all stirred up. Next time it will take more than gunshop talk and interweb babble to get people out there buying like we just saw. Sure there are people in DC who want a ban but there are many who will fight it too. Once Obabma get's done with healthcare and cap and trade he will have zero chance of pushing through an AWB. Once people really get a handle on what a multi trillion dollar budget deficit means (yes China literally owns the USA) there is going to be a bit of a backlash I believe.

Can a country go bankrupt? Sure can!!!!!

I gotta disagree with this whole statement. The panic wasn't started by gunshops or on the internet.

He's on a roll and will have an easier chance of an AWB. None of these issues will finish as they have started.

I believe this administration will try other tactics. The whole frog in the pot of boiling water analogy comes to ming.

kimbernut
July 17, 2009, 11:41 AM
Check Anvil Arms they are supposed to be manufacturing their own and have available 7/27. I was there yesterday- impressive!

winknplink
July 17, 2009, 11:42 AM
Mp5A3, here are some Bolt assy's (http://www.pkfirearms.com/content/1/20/26/46)

MJR007
July 17, 2009, 11:53 AM
Del-ton is on the first week of Jan.

Midway has some uppers in stock.

c5_nc
July 18, 2009, 08:31 AM
I think people will be canceling orders soon. I just got in a DPMS kit and put in trader forum for a tiny markup over my wholesale cost and no bits so far. There is a 6-12 month backlong from DPMS for the same parts. I made retail orders from model1 and delton in January, I am going to be cancelling those.

lipadj46
July 18, 2009, 08:38 AM
I gotta disagree with this whole statement. The panic wasn't started by gunshops or on the internet.

Well we can agree to disagree then.

Smithiac
July 18, 2009, 08:43 AM
I've heard that Les Baer is fairly cought up. Don't know if its true or not though.

armoredman
July 18, 2009, 08:44 AM
As a matter of fact, I got an advertisement from Rob Roy's Custom Guns in Mesa for a sale on DPMS ARs, I guess they are catching up. All of those were listed under $1000 by a bit.

punkndisorderly
July 18, 2009, 09:04 AM
FWIW, I ordered 2 AR-15 uppers from Rock River in early January. The first, a match upper, came in June. The second, an CAR style upper came in in 2 weeks ago.

DougW
July 18, 2009, 09:57 PM
A M4'gery kit that I ordered on Dec 31, 08 went to the shop (Del-Ton) last week, but hasn't shipped out yet. Last kit took 7 months, so lead times are still long. Del-Ton is still worth the wait IMO.

The rush to buy AR's was started at the election and change of power to a socialist form of government. People figure that the 2nd Amendment will go away first, followed by the 1st, then the 5th, and finally the 10th. (Political rant off!)

Love the service and quality from Del-Ton!

W.E.G.
July 18, 2009, 11:13 PM
Colt galore.

Boba Fett
July 19, 2009, 12:19 AM
Skip the backlog and go to a show.

They had RRA Entry Tactical for $900 at today's show. Which is $100 more than I paid for it a few years back at the same show, but way less than the $1,300 to $1,400 I've seen as of late.


Same goes for the uppers and lowers. They had most types and brands and prices were reasonable again.




Remember the story about the boy who cried wolf? That little trick worked once to get people all stirred up. Next time it will take more than gunshop talk and interweb babble to get people out there buying like we just saw. Sure there are people in DC who want a ban but there are many who will fight it too. Once Obabma get's done with healthcare and cap and trade he will have zero chance of pushing through an AWB. Once people really get a handle on what a multi trillion dollar budget deficit means (yes China literally owns the USA) there is going to be a bit of a backlash I believe.

I have to say that it wasn't gunshops or the internet that cause all the fuss. It was basic supply and demand. There wasn't a fabricated hysteria, there was a past history that actually happened and people didn't want to get caught with their pants down in the middle of another ban.

So whether or not there is zero chance or 100% chance, being prepared based on past history (ya know, learn or repeat? (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_Santayana)) is never a bad thing. Some of us were just prepared sooner than the rest and avoided the supply shortage.

mp5a3
July 19, 2009, 12:23 AM
I may just go for the LMT Defender or Colt 6920, both at $1199. I can't imagine them going much lower.

dakotasin
July 19, 2009, 03:27 PM
no gun shows here until september, so not an option. however, if the backlog is 8-12 months as some of the manufacturers are claiming it is, then september isn't so bad...

i'm just looking for a lower parts kit and a 20" complete upper, so i don't necessarily need an ffl, but will just buy a complete rifle if i have to.

local dealer has plenty of ar's in, but they are all collapsible stock guns, and i've got plenty of those already... i need an a-1 buttstock, but an a-2 will work, but don't need my dealer's collapsibles...

RP88
July 19, 2009, 04:31 PM
if the judicial climate keeps shifting to the pro-gun favor, then an AWB might be discouraged enough to where a lot of people won't want to bother sticking their necks close to the cutting board on a hot issue that could end up immediately going to the courts.

The real worry is going to be tax hiking on ammo. Everyone is now getting their gun, and now they need ammo. Problem there is that ammo is hard to find for anything popular. 9mm, .380, .45, most rifles except .270 and .338WSM, etc. are either twice the cost of a box, or is only available in slightly increased but still equally crappy wolf ammo.

Ignition Override
July 20, 2009, 04:15 AM
There are still so many jobs at stake (not just in the luxury product/auto/aircraft/airline industries), that lots of people are worried about having the money to pay for their guns, unless guns are the highest priority.

WTS: "Because there is no more room in the gun safe...."

messerist
July 20, 2009, 06:24 AM
My order through RRA is still about 6 months out according to the dealer I am working through. That will make it a year from time of order to shipment. Gave me a year to save for it.:) Brother ordered one before he shipped to Iraq and the dealer where he lives said a year also. Both are LAR-8 .308 rifles.

Z-Michigan
July 20, 2009, 11:05 AM
There are still so many jobs at stake (not just in the luxury product/auto/aircraft/airline industries), that lots of people are worried about having the money to pay for their guns, unless guns are the highest priority.
WTS: "Because there is no more room in the gun safe...."

We are seeing more and more of this in Michigan. We had "the panic" big time from November through about March, but now so many people are losing jobs there are fairly good deals to be had locally. Some of them are clearing out older guns, but a large number are like-new, often unfired "EBRs" that people bought between 2008 and now.

Both are LAR-8 .308 rifles.

Ah yes, the mythical RRA LAR-8, the ultimate vaporware of the AR industry. I remember trying to buy one back in what I think was 2006 (?), getting no answer to emails, getting busy signals for 5-10 telephone calls, and finally getting through one day and being told they might be available 18 months in the future.

MJR007
July 20, 2009, 05:25 PM
Del-Tton is on 01-08-2009. I called today...

dakotasin
July 20, 2009, 09:34 PM
email from model 1 sales i received today said they are 26-28 weeks out from orders placed today. that means they are shipping orders from december/january time period right now...

taliv
July 20, 2009, 10:00 PM
keep in mind though, that the many of those sales are to dealers who panicked and ordered way more than they can sell. shelves of every gun store i've seen this month have been chock full of ar15s.

imho, the only people who have a problem are the ones who want something custom. if you want vanilla, shop the distributors or retailers and find all you want

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