Rude needs rifle advice


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RudeMood
July 17, 2009, 07:04 PM
There is a massive amount of information Iíve had to sift through (thank you internet), but Iíve finally come to a narrow down the scope of my needs and decided to get the input of THR members.

Originally I wanted a go to typical ar/ak rifle for a SHTF scenario. But, after some hard thinking, Iíve decided that Iíd prefer a more all purpose work horse that I would feel comfortable taking hunting in my usual stomping grounds, or even out of state if I so chose. I felt that this would require a decent size cartridge, so I started looking past the .223/7.62x39 and researched platforms for the .308 and similar ďfull sizedĒ rounds. This, of course, sent me into ďbattle rifleĒ territory. Many of these are interesting and well outside of my pocketbook and p.o.u. Iíd like to note that Iím not looking for a tack driver, just something that is reasonably accurate within its roundís limitations.

That all being said, Iím looking for a semi auto ďbattle rifleĒ for under 1k all said and done. After kicking around this was what Iíve found. Feel free to correct any mistake or misassumption on my part, and any 2c will be added to the memory banks for further use later.

1. Dragonuv Type (PSL-54C? Romanian Clone)
I really like this option as it shoots the same caliber as my Mosin, which I am using as a hog gun right now. 7.62x54R is cheap and plentiful as long as Iím willing to pay shipping. The rifle on AIM Surplus comes with a scope mount and a scope and, while the model isnít the prettiest looking when it comes to fit and finish from what I understand, it meets my requirements for use. For around +-$700 + fees and taxes I could get my hands on one (probably) fully equipped. Combined with the cost per round this sounds damn hard to beat in the long run.

2. AR-10/15 Platform
As far as I know the only people who make readily available ar-15 parts in .308 is DPMS. (Is armalite even in the game still with their ar-10?) A full setup DPMS in .308 runs about 1k give or take some according to their website. This, of course, is minus optics, which could become an issue. If I was to go this route I would probably shop around for parts and assemble the rifle myself. I think I could save cost on parts, and I feel confident enough in my mechanical aptitude to put one together from sections. Iíd get better accuracy and customization out of this platform from what I understand, but Iím not sure it is necessary. The main advantage I have here is that I can purchase this gun one section at a time, thus saving myself from having to have a lump sum on hand. There is always that satisfaction of making something with your own hands as well.

3. Saiga .308
The cheapest Iíve seen for straight up gun cost, coming in around half the cost of an AR. The downside being, of course, Iíd have to do the conversion to a pistol grip myself, and I know nothing about adding optics to the Saiga platform as I havenít pursued that avenue of thought yet. However, iron sights out of the box are a plus, so optics could wait until I find what Iím looking for. I have mixed feelings about this, but the ones Iíve held at gun shows didnít seem too bad

4. Garand
I donít really think this is what Iím looking for, but since I know it will come up I will mention it. If I had my choice Iíd be shooting a M1A Scout Squad, if wishes were horses. A Garand, of course, is a viable and less expensive alternative if acquired via CMP. Two things are keeping me from going down this road right now. Firstly, Iíd rather own a gun that has magazines, call me new fashioned if you will. Secondly, I know absolutely nothing about outfitting a Garand with a scope and/or any other accessories I may need, nor modifying it to let it fire over the counter ammo. Hereís your chance to come out of the woodwork and talk me into it Garand fans.

I have other routes I could go of course. I could always just stick with a scoped bolt gun and pick up a lightweight carbine in a pistol caliber. Iíve given some thought to that setup as well as kel-tec carbines are reasonable in price, and such a carbine would be useful for home defense in addition to making a short range go to gun in a SHTF situation. Then again, Iíve never been forced into either situation before, so what do I know?

Iím pretty open minded about the whole issue, so if you think you have a better alternative to what Iím pondering let me know.

- :banghead: ďRudeMoodĒ

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USSR
July 17, 2009, 07:10 PM
For $900, I went this route.

Don

http://ussr.clarityconnect.com/FAL2.jpg

RudeMood
July 17, 2009, 07:20 PM
Very Nice! :cool:

Was that with or without scope and ... what exactly is it? :D I don't see any markings in the pic, but my guess is it is some sort of cetme or hk?

DRYHUMOR
July 17, 2009, 07:31 PM
Shop around, a PTR 91 would be a good choice.

briansmithwins
July 17, 2009, 07:34 PM
That, sir, is a FAL. The right arm of the free world. Issued to what, 30+ countries it's probably the most successful rifle ever made, barring the AK of course.

As for your original question. At $1k you’re going to be hard pressed to do ANY rifle + optic that will hold together for long. I’d get the rifle (and mags and ammo) first and then worry about an optic later.

Make sure you can piece together the 7.62 ARs. I think some of the manufacturer’s may only sell complete rifles. There are NO standards when it comes to those rifles and parts from one maker will not fit another: Armalite lower and DMPS upper may not be compatible. One of the big reasons I ‘ve never been too interested in them. BSW

RudeMood
July 17, 2009, 07:48 PM
Make sure you can piece together the 7.62 ARs. I think some of the manufacturer’s may only sell complete rifles. There are NO standards when it comes to those rifles and parts from one maker will not fit another: Armalite lower and DMPS upper may not be compatible. One of the big reasons I ‘ve never been too interested in them. BSW

Noted sir, and thanks for the heads up. I had planned on sticking to one manufacturer if I were to build my own, but this is good to know regardless.

Also, the price i'm shooting for (badumpsh) is just the rifle. If it comes with a scope it is a plus, but not a requirement.

... and I wasn't aware you could even get near a FAL for less than 1k. I'll broaden my searches.

shaneevans1
July 17, 2009, 08:06 PM
My vote is for you to build up a regular AR in .223
There are so many high quality AR lowers floating around in the 125 dollar range that you can pick one up and start ordering lower kits, stocks, optics, etc. I think you can build a nice 16" AR in the 800$ Range. THEN keep your hog gun for killing four legged critters.

I have fired both an .223 AR and a .308 SOCOM 16 in a shoot house.
You do NOT want to be inside and shoot that 308. You may survive the encounter, but you may never hear anybody tell you how great a job you did protecting yourself.

A carbine under a grand in a pistol caliber? My partner just won a 9mm Carbon 15 Bushmaster on Gunbroker for 700 plus 50$ shipping. Shoots great.

I have had the SHTF all around me for many years, finally out of the line of fire, and I like your carbine route the best if you have ruled out a good AR.

**Can you get an SBR application signed where you live? A SBR 9mm AR with about a 9.5" barrel is pretty damn hard to beat inside a house or in your yard.
Unless of course, your zombies are wearing body armor. :D

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