big dilemma


July 17, 2009, 06:08 PM
I don't know why I am even writing this here, since I am nearly 100% that you will all give me the same answer, but here is my dilemma.

2 years ago, i was infected by a bad BRD, and bought 5 AR's, including one full auto Colt M4 on a m16A1 lower, in a row or so...

it makes a nice collection of black rifles, and i am very happy about it. (2 M4 clones, one being select fire, so according to Swiss laws I cannot shoot the latest, a m16A4 clone, a Mk12mod clone, and a 22lr dedicated AR)

Now, I have this friend who very kindly offers me to swap his Thompson M1A1, from Auto ordonnance, year 1942 vs my semi M4 SDI...

that's the one (forget the garand, already sold)

Even if SDI M4's are hard to get in Switzerland, still this Tommygun has a much greater value, both historically speaking or financially speaking, but I still feel painfull to amputate my black rifles collection, and need to convince myself (maybe with your help) that I must do this trade..

What do you think about it... to make things even more tempting, he is giving me 7 mags + 2 USMC 1942 pouches..

What is your opinion about it ??? Don't forget that Ar-15 aren't easy to get on this side of the pond (thank you ITAR....) ...

To make things more understandable for you, let's say you would have to swap a genuine SEMI SiG550 vs this tommygun... Would you do it ? Would you amputate your Black rifles collection ?

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July 17, 2009, 06:27 PM
Is it a FA Tommy?

I would say go for it. You already have a few black rifles but you dont list any "historical" or "just fun" guns.

July 17, 2009, 06:55 PM
Ask yourself which rifle is most easily replaced, should you go looking for it.

Enjoy your new Thompson. :D

July 17, 2009, 07:36 PM
Let's see, keep multiples of the same thing, or sell one of the multiples to get a completely B.A. WWII firearm.........hmmmmm.....

Why is this even a question, again?

July 17, 2009, 08:16 PM
The Thompson is military issue and has the happy switch? I'd get it without a second thought. I might feel different if you were losing your only M4.

July 17, 2009, 08:26 PM
If you've ever fired a Thompson ... the answer would be self-evident. It's really really nice!

July 17, 2009, 08:30 PM
So are you saying you cant shoot the F.A. M4? Would you be able to shoot the Tommy then?

I would do it in a heart beat.

July 18, 2009, 06:13 AM
So are you saying you cant shoot the F.A. M4? Would you be able to shoot the Tommy then?

well how could I answer that..

I know;

Legally, I cannot shoot both..

though, the M4, I can always use the M4 upper on any of my semi lowers, and shoot it perfectly legally.

Cannot be done with the tommy..

The tommy would be more of a collectible, and will only shoot it on rare occasions, with the needed shooting permit.

July 18, 2009, 07:43 AM
You shouldn't hesitate, it's an incredible offer... Go for the trade !

July 18, 2009, 07:44 AM
Grab that Tommy before that guy changes his sold your Garand...?
Isn't full auto Tommy's going for around +20,000.00...? ...You sold your Garand...?!!!
Please tell me you have more Garands.

July 18, 2009, 07:44 AM
THOMPSON, hands down!

Deus Machina
July 18, 2009, 07:53 AM
Isn't full auto Tommy's going for around +20,000.00...?

Switzerland, remember. May be different there. :)

IMHO, snatch the Tommy up. Call it a collector's item for a while, get the permit to shoot it a couple times. Then, if you decide it's not worth it, flip it. You said yourself it's worth more; you can replace a semi AR easily with that, and have some left over to play with.

Me, I'd keep it as an investment. At least in the States, guns with the happy switch are constantly climbing in price.

$20k now, imagine when the kids are in college!

July 18, 2009, 07:55 AM
I agree, go with the Thompson. I mean, the only AR you need is the one with that happy switch, right? lol.

July 18, 2009, 08:04 AM
i think the garand was the guys who is selling the tommy.

July 18, 2009, 09:15 AM
Only one problem with the Thompson if you get it ---- you will be buying permits repeatedly to go shoot it. It is addictive.

July 18, 2009, 09:21 AM
Yeah..go with the Thompson

July 18, 2009, 11:09 AM
It was his Garand, who now is owned by another friend of mine. I also own a Garand already, though not as nice at this Springfield-

A tommygun isnt worth 20 000$ here, but surely cost more than my SDI M4.. but they are not easy to sell..

July 19, 2009, 12:05 AM
Since no one has said it yet.................. Go with the Thompson.


Boba Fett
July 19, 2009, 12:15 AM
Isn't full auto Tommy's going for around +20,000.00...?

14K on ImpactGuns

July 29, 2009, 06:25 AM
I'm late to the party in replying to this but I'm shocked at the pricing.

Prices here - looked one over a few weeks ago, definitely US made - forget the US markings exactly as had a quick look out of curiousity(not really my thing)

M1A1 EUR660

Thompson 1928 EUR 790

So for me either

1) I'm missing something bigtime (more likely in my opinion)

2)it is this like the FAL issue where pre ban stuff is sold in the US at ridiculous prices whereas in Europe they are one of the cheapest milsurp rifles you can get.

Interested to hear opinions on what I'm (clearly) missing from the big picture.

July 29, 2009, 06:42 AM
forgot to add both are fully functional full auto

July 29, 2009, 06:44 AM
registered and transferable full auto guns file (for civilians) is closed in the USA since 1986 ...

So there is a limited amount of full auto guns that US civilans can buy..

Hence, the prices... you know, the offer, the demand...

enjoy your freedoms ! it's one of the rare advantages that we have on americans about gunrights..

July 29, 2009, 06:48 AM
ahhh ok.

And what are the prices like in Switzerland? I can help you out(for free of course) if you want to get one transferred from here to Geneva.

pity we can't fire them like you guys can(paying EURX amount for a day), fully functional but purely for collectors although you can get them converted to semi-auto and use them.

I think I'd rather buy one when we move to Switzerland to really appreciate it rather than the neutered s/a version.

July 29, 2009, 06:51 AM
I think it's only a matter of time before the Politburo erghhh E.U. bring in new directives on firearms, they already have an EU wide one coming into full effect next year so here you will be obliged to have a gun safe to store your compy with their regulations issued from Brussels

begining of the end, Switzerland is my last hope.

July 29, 2009, 07:21 AM
prices are around 2000-2500€ (3000chf-4000chf) in Switzerland, approx-

July 29, 2009, 07:27 AM
That's a crazy price difference :eek:

I can look at what they have left and take photos/post them on feu libre & ask about the procedures to transfer to Switzerland.

I assume it is straight forward to send it from one gunsmith to another if the import/export license from Switzerland/Lux is in order.

I'll be there on Sat. morning to pick up some things as they leave for holidays.

I can PM my number and we can talk over the phone if you want more info or if you want to come stay and check them out in person - probably 51/2-6hour drive one way.

More than happy to help,


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