Need a list: 9mm, steel or alloy frame guns with SA cocked and locked capability


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Avenger29
July 17, 2009, 10:55 PM
Just what the title says...I need a list because I'm researching buying options. Current production only, and it's OK if the pistol has decocked/double action capability, so long as it can be safely carried cocked and locked. I just want to make sure I don't miss a good, interesting option.

I've looked at the following:
9mm 1911s of various manufacturers (Springfield Armory, Kimber, STI, etc)
Browning/FN Highpowers and clones (like the Hungarian and Charles Daly)
Some of the Sigs...
Some of the CZ 75s
Taurus PT92
Taurus PT99
EAA Witness?
Armalite AR24
EAA Zastava M88


I just honestly don't know what else is out there, so, please help me compile a list. I'll also set a price limit: Under $1K.

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REAPER4206969
July 17, 2009, 11:33 PM
If you are open to polymer, the Heckler und Koch USP and CZ-75 P-07 are excellent choices.

Avenger29
July 17, 2009, 11:36 PM
If you are open to polymer, the Heckler und Koch USP and CZ-75 P-07 are excellent choices.

Nope, not open to any polymers. Had a Glock 17 and ditched it. Gotta be steel or alloy. They are excellent guns, but simply do not suit me.

c919
July 17, 2009, 11:36 PM
:D This is heading straight towards a BHP party. :D

SIGS are great too.

Avenger29
July 17, 2009, 11:39 PM
This is heading straight towards a BHP party.

SIGS are great too.

I want a list, not favorites. BHPs are nice, but $$$. Same for the Sig SAO, apparently. Maybe used...

REAPER4206969
July 17, 2009, 11:39 PM
This?
http://static.cz-usa.com/czusa/product-images/291/main291_png_637x200_q85.png
http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-75-compact/

Avenger29
July 17, 2009, 11:51 PM
Already listed the CZ-75s.

I'm looking for pistols I have not listed.

REAPER4206969
July 18, 2009, 12:53 AM
AR-24?
http://www.armalite.com/Images/large%20images/Rifles/2415LARGE700.jpg
http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=24-15&ReturnUrl=Categories2.aspx?Category=2a4359dd-6c33-4b1e-a2e7-8d485cb63d23

Avenger29
July 18, 2009, 12:55 AM
Okay, that's one. CZ knockoff.

1SOW
July 18, 2009, 12:59 AM
Sigs like CZ are DA/SA BUT can't be carried C.A.L. (edited)
A VERY good option in common calibers.
I enjoy the Sig P239 single stack.
Buy it in 40 cal and you can buy a Sig .357 bbl and shoot both out of the same gun and mags.

OOOPs, brain gastrointestinal problem. NOT cocked and locked but cocked and ready.

REAPER4206969
July 18, 2009, 01:03 AM
Hungarian FEG P9M-9HP?
http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/134374000/134374751/pix3096982656.jpg
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=134374751

Avenger29
July 18, 2009, 01:06 AM
Already listed under the HiPower clones.

Buy it in 40 cal and you can buy a Sig .357 bbl and shoot both out of the same gun and mags.

Me and .40S&W don't get along.

I have standardized on 9mm, .38/.357, .45ACP, and .22LR. I am unlikely to own a handgun in another caliber than those.

REAPER4206969
July 18, 2009, 01:10 AM
EAA Zastava M88?
http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/134248000/134248031/pix2995470937.jpg
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=134248031

Avenger29
July 18, 2009, 01:13 AM
Noted. Smallish 9mm.

REAPER4206969
July 18, 2009, 01:31 AM
The only current production C&L capable 9mm S.I.G. is WAY above your price limitation, even used.
P226 XFIVE $2,925.00
http://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/catalog/product/P226-XFIVE-detail-L.jpg

P226 XFIVE Tactical $1,800.00
http://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/catalog/product/XFIVE-TACT-detail-L.jpg

http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProduct.aspx?categoryid=38

KegCommando
July 18, 2009, 01:36 AM
Well..I know you listed current production, but just in case you change your requirement ( actually I heard a rumor that it is still in special production esp in Italy ):

Beretta 92 Stock

See bottom:
http://www.berettaweb.com/92%20Combat/Beretta%20Combat.htm

REAPER4206969
July 18, 2009, 01:37 AM
CZ 2075 RAMI?
http://static.cz-usa.com/czusa/product-images/301/main301_png_637x200_q85.png
http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-2075-rami/

REAPER4206969
July 18, 2009, 01:38 AM
I was going to list the 92 Stock. Well played, Sir!

AgentAdam
July 18, 2009, 01:47 AM
You can find a few 92 Steel-I still floating around. I think it's worth it for the steel frame, grip mounted safety,and factory Italian nickel finish. They have allot of features like front and rear removable sights,ultra slim grips,vertec back strap, SA only with pre and over travel adjustable trigger ,or SA/DA,9mm or .40S&W, skeletonized hammer, font cocking serrations,ect. I only payed 950$ for mine.
http://www.beretta.fr/index.aspx?m=74&idc=2&ids=32

Do all new 92fs de-cock when you safety them?


http://www.beretta.fr/dati/ImmaginiProdottiBeretta%5C2%5C46_elenco.jpg

REAPER4206969
July 18, 2009, 01:55 AM
Another fine choice!

Avenger29
July 18, 2009, 06:17 PM
That Beretta 92 Steel-I is drop dead sexy. Why the hell don't they have it currently in production for here? It might not sell much, but to those who look for it...

But at $950, I might as well buy the STI Trojan in 9mm, because above all else, 1911s feel like they were made for my hands.

CZ 2075 RAMI?

I pretty much consider that a part of the CZ-75 family, and I'd probably go with the CZ 75 Compact if I went that route.

The only current production C&L capable 9mm S.I.G. is WAY above your price limitation, even used.

I figured that. $1K is my upper price limit- it'd take me a while longer to save for it. $500-600 is more of my median price.

geronimo509
July 18, 2009, 06:29 PM
But at $950, I might as well buy the STI Trojan in 9mm, because above all else, 1911s feel like they were made for my hands.
If you save up and get this, it sounds like you will be very happy!

AgentAdam
July 18, 2009, 06:30 PM
The Steel-I isn't really discontinued. They just do short production runs of 2000-3000 at a time. Same for the Vertec. Have you held a 92 with the straight vertec back strap. Its similar to a 1911 without a swell. Mine feels GREAT in hand and is super accurate. I let a guy who has never really shoot a pistol try half a mag and he just rolled a coke can down the yard. I really like the mini Novak 3-dots.

Avenger29
July 18, 2009, 06:33 PM
The Steel-I isn't really discontinued. They just do short production runs of 2000-3000 at a time. Same for the Vertec. Have you held a 92 with the straight vertec back strap. Its similar to a 1911 without a swell. Mine feels GREAT in hand and is super accurate. I let a guy who has never really shoot a pistol try a mag and he just rolled a coke can down the yard.

I hope to one day run across one of those variants. The gunstores around here suck, though, so it's by chance or if I happen across a decent store in another area.

If you save up and get this, it sounds like you will be very happy!

Aye, I'm seriously considering it. But checking out all other options, too.

grimjaw
July 18, 2009, 07:23 PM
That Zastava M88 is, IMO, a joke. Save your money for something else, or if you're going to waste it instead give it to me and I'll knit you a sweater.

I had good luck with the Hungarian BHP clones, if you want to save some cash for the same control system. I eventually went with the CZ, because of the ready availability of a .22 conversion kit. I do not regret it.

Avenger29
July 18, 2009, 07:42 PM
That Zastava M88 is, IMO, a joke. Save your money for something else, or if you're going to waste it instead give it to me and I'll knit you a sweater.

I figured that. I'm not impressed by the photos or articles about it. Trust me, I very carefully research a pistol before buying, paying special attention to reliability and durability above all else.

I'll take a gander at the Hungarian BHP clone if I run across one, or I may be lucky enough to come across a reasonably priced Browning or FN made HP...

m2steven
July 18, 2009, 07:52 PM
I've recently acquired a stainless steel CZ75-B and it's a double/single with cock and lock. It's quite the shooter. Beautifully made too. Almost as nice a trigger as my 1911 (i now sound like all 1911 owners). But it's a VERY nice pistol.

m2steven
July 18, 2009, 08:27 PM
Many think they are junk, but I handled a Taurus 24/7 Titanium today. I have no idea how it shot, but it was one of the nicest looking, best feeling pistols I've ever held. Had a great trigger as well. Based upon it's lightness, it's probably a muzzle-flipper, but I could be wrong. I noticed that some Taurus models had small manufacturing imperfections on the ramp and other internal pieces. This model and their PT-92 line looked very clean, polished, and well put together. The PT-92 was really heavy and lovely and not a pit nor mark anywhere in or outside.

Avenger29
July 18, 2009, 08:41 PM
I have no desire for a lightweight pistol. I want heavier to absorb recoil and stay on target. I also do not want a polymer framed handgun because to me, they transmit the vibration of firing too much.

The PT-92/PT-99 is one of the few Tauruses I'd buy. I'm still evaluating night sight and other accessory and parts availability (like Beretta locking blocks for it). One of the definite pluses in the Taurus 92/99 series favor is that MecGar makes mags for them, so no worry about magazine availability or trying to modify Beretta mags, as I have heard must be done.

rbernie
July 18, 2009, 09:22 PM
I have owned FEG and Browning HPs, PT92s, 9mm 1911s, and many different CZs - because I also wanted to find the perfect Condition 1 capable metal-framed 9mm pistol. In other words, I've been on this search for many years now. During this search, I have bought at least one of each - just to be sure that I'd really be happy with the answer. (I've also owned Astra 70s and other oddball SA/Condition 1 capable pistols, but the ones listed above are the ones currently available and supported by either the manufacturer or the aftermarket.)

I can say all sorts of nice things about all of these pistols. None of them are dogs, and I'd happily own any of them if that was what was available to me.

If I had to pick the best bang-for-the-buck and best all-arounder for anything short of gonzo use, it would be the FEG HP. If I had to pick the most economical and easiest to use and likely the one most suitable for abuse, I would pick the Taurus. If I had to pick the sexiest and perhaps the best-supported of the lot, it'd be the CZ75. If I wanted one with true heirloom status, I'd pick a BHP. If you ask me what I carry and use today (aka 'the answer', at least for me), it'd be a 9mm 1911.

Avenger29
July 18, 2009, 09:43 PM
Why am I not suprised? rbernie, you have followed the same path I was likely to follow.


I'll figure I'll eventually end up with a 9mm 1911. But I probably would have gone through the CZ, BHP, and maybe the PT92 first. I just don't have the money for a 9mm 1911 that would be worth a damn, so CZ-75, PT-92, or FEG or used BHP it shall be first...I'm leaning towards the CZ.

rbernie
July 18, 2009, 09:58 PM
If being able to press-cock the pistol is important to you, you're limited to only the BHP (and clones) and 5" 1911s. If you don't care about such things, the CZ is a fine place to start. Sadly, the days of sub-$400 CZ75s are long gone. Good news is that you can still find them for under five bills if you try, and the 16rd Mecgar magazines can be stocked up for a rainy day at $25/ea.

Keep in mind that my Springfield 5" 9mm 1911 was $650, lightly used. Also, both Taurus and Rock Island / Citadel are stating an intention to sell a 9mm 1911 within the next year or so. They do not need to be viewed as solely $1000 pistols....

Phydeaux642
July 18, 2009, 10:12 PM
I wanted a Springield EMP. Too much money for me. I ended up with a CZ RAMI. While it is a CZ, it feels completely different than the 75B that I have. It fits me like a glove.

hardluk1
July 19, 2009, 11:52 AM
I shoot a witness elit match,it is a SA that can be carried cocked and locked 4 3/4" barrel all magetic metal and can be bought for under 500 dollars with a retail of 640. Also change to 6 different calibers for 200 each with a upper change only.

senior
July 19, 2009, 02:10 PM
3 rd vote for the rami, specially with the extention, fits like a glove!

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