Is there such a thing as the Glock of 1911s?


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ScareyH22A
July 20, 2009, 12:13 AM
Is there a brand/model of 1911 that is like a Glock in that it's relatively inexpensive (compared to other 1911s) and reliable? Or do you have to massage whatever 1911 you decided to buy with trick components then shoot a few hundred rounds to see make sure that it'll go bang everytime (sort of a trial and error type of deal)?

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Oro
July 20, 2009, 12:28 AM
Is there a brand/model of 1911 that is like a Glock in that it's relatively inexpensive (compared to other 1911s) and reliable?

I think the closest thing to what you are looking for in new factory/production guns would be the Colt 1991/80 Series guns. These will run $600 used/$750 new.


do you have to massage whatever 1911 you decided to buy with trick components

No. But the thing to understand about the 1911 platform is that it is the "toy box" of American handgunners and has been for decades. There have been a huge number of producers of parts for it, with just about as much variance in quality control. Because of the nature of the design, it can never be made as cheaply as plastic guns. So set aside absolute price comparisons. This price pressure hurts quality control at most manufacturers - foreign made frames, poor MIM parts, etc.

The reason I choose a Colt 1991 as the most "Glock like" 1911 is that it is well built in the US to critical tolerances and with few MIM parts. Since 2000, they have come equipped with a unique grooved barrel ramp design that removes much of the temperament to variable bullet designs.

Mags
July 20, 2009, 01:10 AM
Yes Springfield GI model. It goes bang every time as long as you don't screw with it and if you are lucky you can find one around 500 bucks new.

lanternlad1
July 20, 2009, 02:32 AM
That's kind of asking "What's the most Ford-like Chevy out there?"

Get a Glock 36 if you want something Glock-like that shoots .45 and is slim like a 1911. Just my .02.

ScareyH22A
July 20, 2009, 02:36 AM
That's kind of asking "What's the most Ford-like Chevy out there?"

Get a Glock 36 if you want something Glock-like that shoots .45 and is slim like a 1911. Just my .02.

So you're saying that there are no factory stock 1911 that's reliable?

lawboy
July 20, 2009, 03:42 AM
"Is there such a thing as the Glock of 1911s?"

Good Lord, I hope not.

ScareyH22A
July 20, 2009, 03:49 AM
Good Lord, I hope not.

Yeah because reliability is such a fad right?

Frank Ettin
July 20, 2009, 04:25 AM
I've seen plenty of Glocks (and H&Ks, SIGs, etc.) sputter and stumble in training. I saw one do so yesterday in a Nevada CCW qualification. And plenty of 1911s are completely reliable -- all of mine are.

In a 1911, a Springfield Mil Spec (better sights than the GI) would be worth a look.

And BTW, you should shakedown any new gun with several hundred rounds before putting it to serious use. Any gun can have a problem, and you'd rather have one show up on your new roscoe at the range rather than on the street.

Comanche180
July 20, 2009, 07:03 AM
I shoot a $400 Rock Island Armory basic GI pistol. It is accurate and reliable. It doesn't have any fancy widgets and chrome, it just shoots.

earlthegoat2
July 20, 2009, 07:53 AM
Get a sense of humor ScareyH22A.

In the meantime get a Colt 1991 Series 80 and you can have your Glock with all its Glockness in a 1911.

Floppy_D
July 20, 2009, 07:53 AM
Inexpensive (compared to other 1911s) and reliable? Rock Island Armory MS or Springfield GI. Owned both, love both.

1858rem
July 20, 2009, 09:39 AM
Rock Island Armory GI moedel, sub 1" at 50 feet possible (5 kneeling shots into 3/4") if thats accurate enough, tactical model has better sights. never had a hangup that was not my own fault, i forgot to crimp, so they didnt feed well:banghead:, once loaded too light (~500 fps) got failure to eject.

use even half descant ammo and you will never have a problem

oh yah, i got mine 410 bucks out the door

cslinger
July 20, 2009, 10:05 AM
Glock 1911...........did anybody else hear that distant popping sound? Sounded like the heads of a thousand thousand Glock and 1911purist heads popping. :D

ScareyH22A
July 20, 2009, 12:49 PM
Get a sense of humor ScareyH22A.

Sorry, I just hate hearing a bunch of numbnut all steel elitists talking trash on function over form. Just for the record, I don't even own a Glock but I do own two HK USPs and I didn't mention them and show favoritism or immaturity.

Gryffydd
July 20, 2009, 12:55 PM
In a 1911, a Springfield Mil Spec (better sights than the GI) would be worth a look.
+1
Mine has been extremely reliable and accurate. Paid $599 for it in stainless. You get better sights, a lowered and flared ejection port, and a beveled magazine well compared to the GI model.

MacTech
July 20, 2009, 12:57 PM
I have a Kimber Custom II I bought used, it's been 100% reliable, eats whatever I feed it, ball, HP, SWC, and is just as boringly reliable as a Glock (I had a G21 previously, but the grip didn't fit me right)

the finish on the KCII is probably about 80% of new, but the gun locks up like a bank vault and is more accurate than me, and since the previous owner did all the wear-and-tear on the finish, I don't have to "baby" it, no, I don't abuse it, but I don't handle it with kid gloves either, it's a shooter

LancerMW
July 20, 2009, 04:14 PM
Springer Mil-Spec

oak1971
July 20, 2009, 04:28 PM
In answer to the OP, try a Sig P220 Elite with the beaver tail. I have one in Stainless and love it. Tough as nails, goes bang every time, comes with night sites, and best of all, it is not a Glock!

Hammerhead6814
July 20, 2009, 07:44 PM
"Glock of 1911's"?!

HERESY!!!

Why on earth would you buy a 1911 that can't shoot non-jacketed ammunition? Or has a magazine that when loaded weigh's almost as much as the gun (unbalanced)? That comes in black, and only black (forget blued steel)? That comes in so many calibers that schizophrenia is the only logical explanation? That has more in common with Tupperware than a pistol?

It just doesn't make sense! It's like asking for "the Corvette's of Alfa-Romeo", there is no such thing! At least there had better not, I'd hate to see Alfa-Romeo need a bailout.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
July 20, 2009, 07:48 PM
Hmmm, maybe a Les Baer or Wilson? (way overpriced for what you get) Still, that's not fair at all, because Baer and Wilson are still quality products; so no, there is no such thing.

oak1971
July 20, 2009, 08:17 PM
Baer's do run forever. And they are a value compared to Wilson and Brown.

I have yet to have a failure with mine.

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii215/oak1971/BAER%20MODS/DSCF5209-1.jpg

Gryffydd
July 20, 2009, 08:19 PM
In answer to the OP, try a Sig P220 Elite with the beaver tail.
The Sig P220 is a 1911 now!? :what: How did I miss that?

DeepSouth
July 20, 2009, 08:24 PM
Spec-Ops 9 (http://www.wilsoncombat.com/p_specops.asp)

Closest thing I know of. It's half plastic, ugly, and comes in a 9mm.

I couldn't help it.

oak1971
July 20, 2009, 08:43 PM
"The Sig P220 is a 1911 now!? How did I miss that?"
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With the beaver tail it has a 1911 feel and runs 45 acp. even the mags look the similar. It performs the same function and carries the same amount of rounds. Like a 1911, but better.

Gryffydd
July 20, 2009, 10:06 PM
Like a 1911, but better.
And Uglier :P ...And with a DA/SA trigger...
And whatever you may think about its ergonomics, the OP was asking about 1911s, not similar pistols.

earlthegoat2
July 20, 2009, 10:55 PM
Spec-Ops 9

The Benelli Nova of 1911s.

Sapper771
July 20, 2009, 11:47 PM
The spec-ops 9 .......chosen by 9 out of 10 mall ninjas. LOL
sorry , I couldnt resist.

I would like to see some improvements to the 1911, but I would also love to see a .45 caliber Hi Power.

oak1971
July 20, 2009, 11:57 PM
And Uglier :P ...And with a DA/SA trigger...
And whatever you may think about its ergonomics, the OP was asking about 1911s, not similar pistols.
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See my above Les Baer post. And relax, you seem tense.

luzyfuerza
July 21, 2009, 01:24 AM
My full-size Kimbers have eaten thousands of FMJ and JHP rounds over the years...flawlessly (except for one that was, err, out of my hands for a few years...see http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=463680). They're not incredibly expensive. My experience is admitedly based on a small sample size, but it doesn't support the widely-posited theories that 1) all new 1911's have to have parts replaced and be tuned to run reliably, and 2) that Kimbers generally suck.

If you're looking for the "Glock" (meaning a gun that shoots reliably, is "combat" accurate, has a simple, durable finish, is widely available, and that has parts and services that are widely available, and won't cost you your first-born) of 1911's, then my experience says that full-sized Kimbers might fill that bill.

Isher
July 21, 2009, 01:37 AM
Try a CZ97b..........

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No Quarter
July 21, 2009, 08:20 AM
Hard to go wrong with a good 'ol Colt Government or Commander. Solid reliable guns that hold value and are truly made in the USA. Tested through several wars and a proven track record of reliability and durability. Tested through the use of countless law enforcement officers and civilians for nearly a century now.

Of course, buy a Colt and you have a family heirloom that will last forever. Buy a Glock and you will have a plastic firearm that may last forever to which you will build no more attachment to than a disposable razor.

Turbobuddha
July 21, 2009, 12:38 PM
About the only guns I've seen fail consistantly in classes have been....GLOCKS. The guys with Glocks in the last class I was in got real good at tap and racks. But the one 1911 did jam once with an odd double feed. It was a 30 year old gun too though. With reloads.

I don't care what gun it is, don't just expect it to do what it's supposed to do everytime. You know, Murphy's Law and all. Get some snap caps or dummy rounds and work on your malfunction drills. In classes, you can tell who has been doing that because when they get a malfuntion, they just clear it with out hesitation. The ones who don't practice, take forever trying to figure out what happened. That's how people die. Or rather, that's how they expose themselves to danger or harm that could lead to death.

My recommendation? Get at least one of each. And become very intimate with them. Unless your using them as safe queens or range guns. Then, what does it matter? If you may one day have to use it to save your life, be sure that if Murphy shows up, you know what to do to keep yourself in the fight.

No Quarter
July 21, 2009, 01:00 PM
Funny that during my time in the USMC, we had jams in every weapon possible - .50 cal, MK19 Grenade Launcher, SAW, M60, M16A2, Beretta, etc, etc, etc. I never died because of a jam. Hell, even my 12ga I carried in Somalia jammed once. I cleared the empty hull and got back to it. We learned how to clear them and get back to the fight at hand. These weapons were kept meticulously clean and lubed as much as possible. This whole 100% reliability thing is silly. Now, if you can't get a round to fire off or can't shoot more than one at a time without a malf, that is one thing, but to assume that a handgun has to be 100% reliable with every type of ammo known to man and in every possible weather condition, is just flat out fantasy. It is something that the armchair commandos have to obsess over along with their fantasy run and gun games they learn at all the tacticool shooting schools.

Everything will fail eventually give enough use and time.

NQ

Dave T
July 21, 2009, 03:31 PM
The two best 1911 style pistols I've owned were both pre-Series 70 Colt Government Models. They fed ball, my handloads and Fed Hydra-shoks. One got stolen out of my truck but I still have the other one.

Oh, and my daily carry gun is a Glock 21 (smile).

Dave

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