What do you think of XDm and their triggers


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wbwanzer
July 21, 2009, 06:20 PM
I'm considering an XDm in 9mm and want some input. I assume that the trigger isn't as good as a typical 1911 trigger, but is it better than most other semi-autos as far as smoothness and short travel? I was considering a 1911 because of their triggers, but XDs are less expensive than most 1911s and they come with a boatload of stuff. People do seem to like them.

Is the trigger DA/SA, DAO, or SA? I haven't been able to tell from my reading so far. Some people get PRP trigger jobs. Does that put the trigger somewhere close to a 1911 trigger?

I did a search of this forum for 'XDm' and there were no results, which tells me that the search funtion isn't working.

Thanks for any help.

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benderx4
July 21, 2009, 06:35 PM
There is NO COMPARISON between a XDm trigger and that of a halfway decent 1911 - definitely a comparison between apples and oranges.

That being said, the XDm is an incredible gun with huge capacity, great reliability, and good ergonomics - and all of this at a decent price. A DAO trigger (striker fired) will NEVER be able to compete with a SAO trigger, no matter what type of "trigger job" you have done. Two different animals.

MrPeter
July 21, 2009, 06:38 PM
XD's aren't DAO. They're SA.

The Wiry Irishman
July 21, 2009, 06:48 PM
XD's aren't DAO. They're SA.

They're striker fired, so any labeling of the trigger either way is just semantics on the part of the company's marketing department. That said, even the best of striker fired triggers (and the XDm is up there) isn't going to come close to an SAO like a 1911, or even a decent quality hammer-fired DA/SA.

possum
July 21, 2009, 06:49 PM
they are technically sa.

at first they are a little long, but after you get 1000-1500rds through it the trigger gets real smooth, that is my experience with many xd's. the only negative thing that i have to say about the xd trigger is the fact that it's reset isn't the best in the world, and a glocks reset is better but i have gotten used to it, and shoot it just fine, i love the trigger. it is really smooth now, and i know exactly where it is gonna "break".

CoRoMo
July 21, 2009, 07:05 PM
I agree, the XD trigger is worlds apart from a 1911 trigger.

But I like the XD a lot, and the trigger isn't at all a drawback for the gun.

benderx4
July 21, 2009, 09:21 PM
XD's aren't DAO. They're SA.

Tomato. Tomatoe. Okay, I stand corrected - they are technically single-action although they act like they are DAO. I've got a XD9sc with many thousands of rounds through it - I really LIKE the trigger FOR WHAT IT IS. The gun is reliable and quite accurate for such a short sight radius. I still maintain, however, that do what you may, the trigger will NEVER even approach that of my Les Baer TRS.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3162/2975392266_d6e275755a.jpg?v=0

rhoggman
July 21, 2009, 09:54 PM
XDMs are advertised as DAO pistols....

Anyways, I had an XDM 9 and thought the trigger was great... better than a Glock by a mile, but I still got rid of it. Why, you ask?

Well for a heavier full sized pistol with a 4.5 barrel shooting 9mm it was too snappy. Some may find this to be ridiculous, but it had more recoil than my XD .40. Springfield has done something with how high the barrel sits, and it was not a good thing.

Also they touted the (M) as being a match grade barrel. Once again my XD .40 was much more accurate. I am no Bruce Willis, but I was not at all impressed with the accuracy.

I reccomend you shoot the XDM along with other 9mm pistols and then decide on the snappyness. For me it is not like the "recoil" was bad, or too much to shoot comfortably. It was really an issue about follow up shots and accuracy.

I recently purchased a CZ 75BD w/ night sights... want to talk about accurate, IMO the XDM doesn't even come close. Personally a Glock, or a regular old XD is going to make you happier in the long run than the XDM.

possum
July 21, 2009, 11:52 PM
Well for a heavier full sized pistol with a 4.5 barrel shooting 9mm it was too snappy. Some may find this to be ridiculous, but it had more recoil than my XD .40. Springfield has done something with how high the barrel sits, and it was not a good thing. now that is odd, i have never had that issue with an xd 9mm being "snappy" heck my .40 service model isn't unless i am shooting defense loads through it or reloads, loaded to replecate defense rounds. after shooting my .40 xd for so long every once in a while i pick up a 9mm xd and i feel like i am shooting an airsoft gun.

David E
July 22, 2009, 12:25 AM
I still maintain, however, that do what you may, the trigger will NEVER even approach that of my Les Baer TRS.

You're comparing a high end, worked over 1911 to a box-stock factory gun.

If you'd ever handled a XD trigger that has been worked over by Rich Dettlehouser of www.canyoncreekcustom.com you wouldn't have made that comment.

I have 3 of them worked over by him, one with a reliable 2# trigger pull with a reset that rivals my best 1911's.

CPshooter
July 22, 2009, 04:05 AM
They're striker fired, so any labeling of the trigger either way is just semantics on the part of the company's marketing department. That said, even the best of striker fired triggers (and the XDm is up there) isn't going to come close to an SAO like a 1911, or even a decent quality hammer-fired DA/SA.This isn't necessarily true. Double action refers to the trigger pull performing a "double" action, meaning while you pull the trigger back it is retracting the firing mechanism (whether a hammer or striker system) and releasing it to fire off a round all in one pull. The Glock and XD are both striker fired, but the Glock is more of a double action mechanism because the striker is only partially cocked before pulling the trigger. When you pull the trigger on a Glock, the striker is fully retracted and released. The XD, on the other hand, has a FULLY cocked striker, which is more of a single action mechanism.

Which is safer? I don't know. The Glock isn't technically fully cocked, so it supposedly can't ignite a primer without the trigger being pulled to fully cock and release the striker. The XD is fully cocked and the striker has enough tension to ignite a round, but the firing pin safety block, along with a grip and trigger safety make it a rather safe gun to handle. It's safe to say that both will go bang when the gun is gripped and the trigger is pulled.

As for the trigger feel of the XD. It stacks towards the end just like a Glock does, but it's a little "spongier" and the reset is a little longer when compared to a Glock. However, the actual ergos of the trigger FEEL better against your finger. The break of the XD trigger is very predictable and it has a positive feel to it, so "spongy" isn't the best description when actually shooting it. Overall, I'd say the XD trigger pull is unique and very nice for what it is. As good as a 1911? No, but then again nothing is!

9mmepiphany
July 22, 2009, 04:28 AM
i've always been taught that if a pull of a trigger doesn't do more than release the striker/hammer...it's a SAO trigger

the Glock qualifies as a DA trigger, but shouldn''t a DAO trigger have a 2nd strike capability?

That said, even the best of striker fired triggers (and the XDm is up there) isn't going to come close to an SAO like a 1911, or even a decent quality hammer-fired DA/SA.

i can only believe that you are speaking as someone who hasn't had a chance to handle a tuned XD trigger. it can be tuned to rival many a 1911, the only thing you'd be giving up is the ability to slap through the trigger like you can on a tuned 1911.

i had a chance to put some rounds through one of Rob Leatham's XDs, and believe me, it doesn't feel anything like a stock trigger

ScareyH22A
July 22, 2009, 04:37 AM
Stop looking at it like a lawyer. :p Glocks were designed them so they're "technically" a DAO but if you handed a Glock to an old timer that's never shot one before, he'd say it's SA for all intents and purposes.

wbwanzer
July 22, 2009, 10:29 AM
Thanks for all the input guys. I'm digesting it all.

rhoggman - I too, don't like snappy guns. And as far as CZs go, I've had a P01 and do have a 75B and don't shoot very well with either. I like the pistols very much, just can't do well with them. I know it's not the guns though, it's me.

Madcap_Magician
July 22, 2009, 10:41 AM
I shot an XDm 9mm and was surprised, it felt like a .22. Didn't seem snappy to me at all.

LancerMW
July 22, 2009, 04:35 PM
first off you cant compaire it to a 1911 trigger, just cant happen. XD triggers for me are odd feeling, i shoot a lot of Glocks and the XD just dosent have even close to as good as a trigger reset as the Glock, or even the M&P for that matter

9mmepiphany
July 22, 2009, 05:05 PM
first off you cant compaire it to a 1911 trigger, just cant happen.

i see you've drunk the kool-aide

deALPHAmale
July 22, 2009, 05:08 PM
"BAH!" to the XDM, says I, "BAH! Humbug."

When it comes to Glock styled handguns, I'm a purist. The Glock 19 is my favorite amongst the crew.

Personally I'd go for a Sig P239 if you want a good 9mm, but the Glock 19 is on par IMO. I just like the feel of the Sig better.

wbwanzer
July 22, 2009, 05:30 PM
I've already got a good 9mm in the SIG 229. I'm looking for another good 9mm.

Zerodefect
July 22, 2009, 07:05 PM
The XD's trigger works fine for any practical CCW use.

Better than a stock Glocks trigger, not as good as a modded Glocks trigger.

The 1911's trigger is completely different, no point in even makeing that comparison.

Fishman777
July 22, 2009, 08:34 PM
Springfield Armory advertises the XDm as having the shortest trigger travel and reset on any stock polymer pistol. While this trigger is probably the best on a polymer pistol, that doesn't mean that it is as good as a 1911.

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