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SharpsDressedMan
July 22, 2009, 03:59 PM
Anyone else finding the writings, topics, and pictures better on the forums than in the gun rags? I find that too many of the magazine writers are full of themselves, and are basically rehashing topics, or giving "glory" to new guns or manufacturers. More honest stuff is found in these columns. There was a day when the great gun writers ruled, but now the almost "interaction" and grassroots reviews and thoughts are better than ever. What's your opinion?

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22-rimfire
July 22, 2009, 04:16 PM
I still like Gun Mags. I subscribe to a number of sporting magazines that include specifically guns.

Zundfolge
July 22, 2009, 04:17 PM
Even though I have a little netbook I just can't bring myself to forum while on the toilet.

Gun magazines have their place.

Hk91-762mm
July 22, 2009, 08:32 PM
I get several every month -Sadly they are thinner and more ads -! But I like to read before I fall asleep and I keep all the new ones at work for--Slow times !

jcwit
July 22, 2009, 08:48 PM
Amish people!

Tim the student
July 22, 2009, 08:49 PM
I like magazines of all types. As much as the internet makes life easier in many ways, it is not a substitute for feeling paper between your fingers.

As has been said, I also will not bring my computer into my bathroom, but I do have a collection of magazines in there.

Old Fuff
July 22, 2009, 08:53 PM
Some writers offer genuine expertice in their field. The same can be said about some Internet forums, but the forums also have some outrageously bad information mixed in with the good stuff. Some magazines are better then others, but I think there is still a place for the printed page...

Besides the bathroom. :neener:

Avenger29
July 22, 2009, 08:54 PM
I get several every month -Sadly they are thinner and more ads -! But I like to read before I fall asleep and I keep all the new ones at work for--Slow times !

More ads? They are all ads.

I don't subscribe to any, but me and my buddies do pass them around.

ConstitutionCowboy
July 22, 2009, 08:54 PM
I subscribe to 5. I find them indispensable. I actually read them! And yes, there is always the throne room...

Woody

ctlee
July 22, 2009, 08:56 PM
It seems to me there is nothing new under the sun: Hence the reason for the re-hash of old favorites like cocked and locked carry with a 1911 model or some DA pistol. Or, the most versitile rifle ever 30-06 and why everyone should have one.
I stopped getting gun mags (except American Rifleman) on a regular basis a long time ago. I still pick up a few a year to read up on "new" offerings.

By the way; Does anyone else think the "new" 6.8 cartridge is just a .270 in a shortened case?

Geno
July 22, 2009, 09:01 PM
I like life’s simple pleasures. I like to write long, and well-detailed letters with my fountain pens. I like blue-black ink, on home-made cloth-paper. I appreciate the natural elegance of a woman who wears minimal make-up, stockings with that line in the back, and whose clothing leaves much to the imagination. I like cars and trucks with manual transmissions, no air conditioning, and an unrefined ride. I like the roaring 20s, home-cooked meals, single-shot firearms and simple conversation with good friends. On a Sunday evenings, I like to kick my feet up, light a bowl of TC Downtown Special and peruse the pages of a good hunting or shooting magazine. You can call me old-fashioned; I retort simply that I like life’s simple pleasures.

Geno

oneounceload
July 22, 2009, 09:02 PM
I have found in the last few years, that the "gun tests" the regular mag writers perform always seem to result in a positive accolade for the gun and its maker (advertiser). I am letting all but one lapse. I WILL keep my subscription to Shooting Sportsmen - very goos honest reviews of shotguns, gorgeous eye candy, and good tips on technique

John Wayne
July 22, 2009, 09:10 PM
I would love to find a gun magazine worth reading, but most of the time I can tell you what's in it before I even see the cover. Generally speaking, they are overpriced fliers full of ads. I'll save my $7 and put it towards ammo.

Books, on the hand, are a different story but again, good gun books are few and far in between. Most I've received as gifts have had several errors and cost waaaay too much. If I buy a book it ought to at least be free of errors, otherwise what's the point?

browningguy
July 22, 2009, 09:47 PM
Forums are moderatly more useful I think, but only if you already know enough to seperate the facts from the other stuff. The problem with gun mags is they have a hard time being critical of their advertisers, but the forums are full of stuff that is just flat out wrong.

alemonkey
July 22, 2009, 09:53 PM
Not just gun mags, but I think magazines in general have become a joke. Look at pretty much any of them anymore and they're nothing but ads and biased product reviews.

MedWheeler
July 22, 2009, 09:57 PM
Internet filters on workstation computers often block sites related to "weapons", which is true where I work. However, we have no policies prohibiting carrying weapons-related print material into the station; I even had one in the ambulance with me today, flipping through it while riding shotgun (yes, pun intended!) in traffic..
There will, for quite a while longer, be a place for print material...

Judicator
July 22, 2009, 10:55 PM
Gotta have some pretty pictures to look at when you're on the john

candr44
July 22, 2009, 11:01 PM
The only magazines I find useful are Shotgun News and some of the Guns and Ammo special publications. The spelling is also better than forums and no petty arguments, paranoid tin foil hat lunatics, or outraged fanatical purists.

Having said that, I find more useful information and resources in gun forums than magazines. Forums are far more useful for doing research on a particular gun and a good place to exchange information.

bigalexe
July 22, 2009, 11:07 PM
I need some way to load rounds into semi-auto firearms and the Magazine seems to be the way to do it.

Oh wait... are we talking about those periodicals sent through the mail? Yeah i don't subscribe to those.

DoubleTapDrew
July 22, 2009, 11:17 PM
I have a subscription to American Rifleman, and occasionally will buy a gun mag if it's got a review of a gun I'm interested in somewhere inbetween the 3 full tests of so-and-so's new 1911 that I can't afford. I wonder if the writers all work in the same building or something because the reviews from several different gun mags will cover the same models in the same month pretty often. Or maybe the manufacturer's just send out press release guns to multiple writers at the same time.
There's something about the feel of a magazine...especially in the throne room. Or an airport gate area (you almost feel wonderfully evil reading them there).

Savage99
July 22, 2009, 11:20 PM
Sharps,

I spend quite a bit of my time reading gun talk on forums and I read magazines of any kind these days very little.

I still get the American Rifleman and the American Hunter as my son and I are life members. I don't read all of the articles in them either.

Yes the internet has taken over for me.

CajunBass
July 23, 2009, 06:20 AM
Nobody ever told me I couldn't read both. So I do.

22LRFan
July 23, 2009, 06:44 AM
I stopped buying the magazines when I found out they have the same articles on there websites for free. I've gotten to the point where I would much rather read a book on the throne than an overpriced advertisements.

22-rimfire
July 23, 2009, 06:49 AM
I have several books going on at any one time. I often do not open a magazine, and other times will read them cover to cover. I buy magazines at the newstand and subscribe. Some get read more than others. I find reading on a computer screen uncomfortable for anything other than short periods of time.

Looking forward to the day I buy my first Kindle however. Looks like a great idea which makes reading from the little montior almost as comfortable as reading from a hard copy. The price is what keeps me from buying one.

jackstinson
July 23, 2009, 07:24 AM
I find that too many of the magazine writers are full of themselves, and are basically rehashing topics, or giving "glory" to new guns or manufacturers.
Yep, we never see any of that sort of behavior on gun forums. ;)

peyton
July 23, 2009, 07:45 AM
No, you need both, as I thumb through the American Rifleman July 2009 issue. The forums are challenged by photos being blocked. by the military Namely photobucket(might see a naked girl in there and offend someone). However, the forums give an honest assement of what is on the street, versus the vaporware that the magazines write about.

Just One Shot
July 23, 2009, 08:04 AM
They have an added benefit. If your ever caught without T.P. they can be usefull to wipe with.

:eek:

Lets see you do that with a P.C.

:neener:

:D

MagnumDweeb
July 23, 2009, 10:03 AM
I'll take it a step farther. Once every couple of weeks I like to get a Latte', yeah yeah say what you will, and sit down with a copy of the Shotgun News, Combat Handguns(the Masad Ayoob publication), The Economist, Wall Street Journal, and maybe a book I'll read parts of. For a couple of hours and the cost of Latte'($4.02) I'll read through ten bucks or more of periodicals. Sometimes I'll get a particular publication like I just picked up the Shotgun News that has building a real Semi-Auto VZ (I have two kits sitting around I haven't built yet, and a built VZ would be a nice addition to my Romy G, AMD65, Yugo 70), but I'll usually just put them back. No periodicals sitting around my house to take up space, and I save money for more ammo.

Forums are just for fun when I'm at school and all the notes the professor is handing out are in the book that I've already read and typed up in my study notes. When I'm posting on here I'm also usually day-trading. Yesterday I made more than $200 just sitting on my rump.

Sav .250
July 23, 2009, 10:06 AM
No doubt some things have changed. The inter-net has changed the way folks get there information , plus it`s a lot quicker. :)

AirForceShooter
July 23, 2009, 10:13 AM
I feel the same way about movie reviewers.
Who needs them?

AFS

scottaschultz
July 23, 2009, 10:21 AM
Anyone else finding the writings, topics, and pictures better on the forums than in the gun rags?
Ewe meen da writin on theez fourems be bettur den da writin in dem megazeenz??

searcher451
July 23, 2009, 10:53 AM
At least two groups of folks still require gun magazines of the reading variety:

1. The publishers, editors, photographers, staff members, and others who work at the gun magazines and rely on them for their livelihood;

2. The advertisers who rely on them to get their message out to the buying public.

I still read a handful of the gun mags from time to time; must say that I often find the information therein more credible than I do on some of the gun boards. :)

seanie!
July 23, 2009, 01:05 PM
I still get my copy of American Rifleman every month, and usually I pick up the annual buyer's guides.

mcdonl
July 23, 2009, 02:59 PM
I read 'em in the can, in the car when my wife is driving, at camp, anytime I am not at a computer... which is all but 40 hours a week.

candr44
July 23, 2009, 08:52 PM
Gun forums are far more entertaining. Where else will you find Gun Kid and his assault wheel barrow or the original Mall Ninja taking out the bad guys at the Orange Julius.

.38 Special
July 23, 2009, 09:08 PM
I enjoy a few good gun magazines. Handgunner has some good writers and a great photographer. They put out an enjoyable magazine, even if I don't learn a bunch of new stuff from each issue. And Double Gun and Single Shot Journal is another very classy magazine with some extremely knowledgeable writers, interesting subject matter, and great photography. I don't know where to find that sort of thing online. Certainly not in the chatrooms/forums.

Now, the chatrooms/forums do have value, and I do enjoy participating in them, but as has been pointed out, there are a lot of really stupid opinions floating around in them, often presented by barely literate half-wits with chips on their shoulders. That can get old quick, so a nice, professionally written magazine with pretty pictures can be quite a pleasant diversion.

JWF III
July 24, 2009, 06:37 PM
When you live out in the boonies, and lose power, you'll really appreciate having something to read. I used to subscribe to several of them. With times as slow as they are, I'm getting by with American Rifleman & Hunter. Both from Lifetime Memberships, no more payment neccessary.

Wyman

HKUSP45C
July 24, 2009, 06:44 PM
Even though I have a little netbook I just can't bring myself to forum while on the toilet.

Gun magazines have their place.

It gets a little less "creepy" as you do it more often.

My net book stays in the head now. I just never know what I'll miss if I spend a few minuets away from you fine folks.
:cool:

RDCL
July 24, 2009, 06:59 PM
Back in the old days (before I discovered the internet) I read Guns & Ammo and Shooting Times EVERY month. I have not read either in years.
It just don't make sense anymore for me to subscribe or pay for a magazine when all the info and general gun reading entertainment I need is on the web.

That being said, I do miss Jeff Coopers column in Guns & Ammo. I always enjoyed Mr. Coopers articles and advice regarding the 1911 pistol. There are many writers I miss from both magazines. Elmer Keith...Skeeter Skelton....Bob Milek, just to name a few. Sadly, these gentlemen are no longer with us.

Russ

ArfinGreebly
July 24, 2009, 08:58 PM
There I wuz . . . sittin' in a doctor's office . . .

And on the little table, there wuz all these old, outdated forums, just lyin' there.

You'd think a doctor could afford to put newer forums on his tables.

ezypikns
July 24, 2009, 09:20 PM
gun mag writers give you their real name. And ostensibly they're responsible for the views and statements they make in magazines.

I've gotten some really good advice in this forum.

But I've also seen some really bad advice tendered here.

And nobody giving the advice had to give their real name.

jerkface11
July 24, 2009, 11:46 PM
I don't bother with them anymore. They just rehash the same old nonsense over and over again. Repeating the same misinformation they've had for decades.

wvshooter
July 24, 2009, 11:53 PM
They spend too much time writing about custom 1911's that cost $3,500. I ain't into that. Kinda like the kit airplane magazine with a cover story about a jet airplane kit that sells for $550,000. Who cares? If I could afford a half million dollar airplane I wouldn't need a silly magazine to tell me where it could be found.

JohnKSa
July 25, 2009, 12:02 AM
In general, no matter what your source of information, you're going to get bad and good. The difference is in the ratio of the "good" to the "bad". It's been my experience that while there is a lot of good information on the forums you pay a much higher price in terms of sorting out the good from the bad on the forums than you do while reading a typical Gun Rag.

I'll be the first to point out that Gun Rags are filled with errors. The difference is that the people making the errors put their names/reputations and careers/income on the line when they write something and have it published. They don't always get it right--no human does--but they have a lot more invested in getting it right than 99.9999% of internet posters.

macro01
August 10, 2009, 11:27 AM
you can check the sports and recreation section of this website, they have tons of publications related to firearms


http://www.magazinesubscriptionsonsale.com/

jackstinson
August 10, 2009, 11:46 AM
One still needs paper for when the parrot poops.......
Although 90% of what I read on forums should probably be put at the bottom of a bird cage.

Quentin
August 10, 2009, 12:09 PM
Back in the old days (before I discovered the internet) I read Guns & Ammo and Shooting Times EVERY month. I have not read either in years.
It just don't make sense anymore for me to subscribe or pay for a magazine when all the info and general gun reading entertainment I need is on the web.

That being said, I do miss Jeff Coopers column in Guns & Ammo. I always enjoyed Mr. Coopers articles and advice regarding the 1911 pistol. There are many writers I miss from both magazines. Elmer Keith...Skeeter Skelton....Bob Milek, just to name a few. Sadly, these gentlemen are no longer with us.

Russ

I'd say Russ nailed it right there. If those guys were still around I'd still be buying gun magazines. But it's a different world today, you can't say anything bad about the advertisers, you tend to tout whatever you're reviewing and you have to be politically correct.

Sure Internet forums also are full of misinformation but they're a lot less boring. If you read carefully you'll find many people who do give the straight scoop and can learn a lot.

.38 Special
August 10, 2009, 09:50 PM
Yabut... most gunwriters seem to get "better" after they're dead. Granted, Cooper was a living legend, but he's an exception, I think. We've got some live gunwriters right now that will achieve Cooper/Skeeter/Jordan status after their deaths, IMO. Mas Ayoob is great on handguns and self-defense. John Barsness really does a bang-up job on rifles and optics. And Ross Seyfried is one of the most knowledgeable writers -- on most all aspects of the game -- that has ever lived, IMO. For the most part, if you want to read any of the three you'll need to buy some magazines.

EvanWilliams
August 10, 2009, 09:54 PM
Most are useless rags. I find gun tests informative.

420Stainless
August 10, 2009, 10:03 PM
I don't subscribe to any, but I buy them off the rack occasionally. I like to read most any articles by current and retired law enforcement folks - particularly Ayoob. And while I don't like their literary style too much, guys like Venturino and Taffin always seem to write about guns I like. Most of my reading comes here at THR a few nights a week.

Logos
August 10, 2009, 10:10 PM
Oh.....I thought this thread was about clips.

I need some.

bearmgc
August 10, 2009, 10:16 PM
Well, I don't have a computer in the bathroom....

Winston_Smith
August 10, 2009, 11:11 PM
I like them for airplanes and the doctors office. If I am done with it, I will stick it at the bottom of the pile for a lucky patient.

Quentin
August 11, 2009, 01:16 AM
I also like Mas Ayoob but it's hard to justify buying a magazine for one column. I do have a few of his excellent books though. He's been around as a writer a long time and even hobnobed with a lot of the greats that have since passed on.

SeekHer
August 11, 2009, 03:48 AM
SharpsDressedMan -- Who Needs Gun Magazines Now that We Have Forums
Anyone else finding the writings, topics, and pictures better on the forums than in the gun rags? I find that too many of the magazine writers are full of themselves, and are basically rehashing topics, or giving "glory" to new guns or manufacturers. More honest stuff is found in these columns. There was a day when the great gun writers ruled, but now the almost "interaction" and grassroots reviews and thoughts are better than ever. What's your opinion?

My wife and I are catalogueholics! We collect catalogues—we also throw them out as we’re not hoarders…Order A to M odd years and N to Z even years so we’re never more then a year out of date when we have to research something…Be that something for her work, archaeologist, mine, tourist trade or just our reading pleasure for our work of an about to be, future, budding Internet retailer (site being worked on as I write this)…

I have subscriptions to nearly every gun, hunting, knife and outdoor sports magazines...I get all the primitive learning ones as well as homesteading...some other outdoor pursuits, canoe, kayak, boating, sailing, rock climbing, camping, RV trailers, archery, fishing and fly fishing but I'm selective on those...between my wife and I and our six remaining at home daughters, we get 90 magazines delivered to the door and I may buy 12 to 15 more if there is something I really want to read about…They’re stored in stacked on their sides milk crates in the basement…the fire three years ago destroyed 20+ years of Outdoor Life, Sports Afield, Field and Stream, Guns and Ammo, Knives, etc complete, every issue…

Albeit the topics are more diverse (Duh) the information provided in the Forums is usually so full of fecal matter that it isn’t worth the time to read to find out it is full of it…The greater percentage of material presented -- that should be vastly greater – is so incorrect, so biased, so filled with misinformation, erroneous figures and formulas and so full of “mine is better then yours and you’re an idiot if you think differently” that it’s actually, in many cases, dangerous to follow the information…

I’ll read the magazines because I can at least understand what they’ve written, they have used proper grammatical punctuation and usage, spelled it correctly and more importantly, they know what the Hell they’re talking about and have excellent research assistants to provide them with the info and usually from printed or some E-books but seldom from the Internet except from the makers’ sites and of that ilk…

Yes, they promote the “new” guns and ammo because that is what they are paid to do and their corporate Code of Ethics states that they will…For all the glowing reviews, I’ve also seen lots that lambaste the product and some sufficient enough to have the product taken of the market…What difference does it make if some blogger reports to you XYZ Co. just made a new dohickey or a magazine from whence he undoubtedly got the information from in the first place…

I can assure you that any of the periodicals will receive the press releases well before “Bubba’s Big Boo Boo Blog” gets it (No insult intended if there is a Bubba’s blog of that name (No Google for it)…They test it and they like it (or not) and they say so…So they like more then one calibre, more then one type of action, more then one maker—Guess what? So, do I! Are there makes I dislike, of course and for them to prove themselves better, in my eyes, they have to go a long way to achieve it…"It’s harder to fall from grace” as my Nanna used to say…

The instant part of Internet is what scares and fascinates me…some one says something, and like reporters the world over, the information is taken out of context and next thing you know, Jim Zumbo is out of a job for saying something that I agree with -- Assault, battle rifles, those Evil Black Devils aren’t great “big game” hunting arms even if you change the upper on an AR to anything, anything at all, from .223/5.56mm…Too many angles and things sticking out/up/down that get hung up on the brush…Open prairies or for varmint, fur taking or rodent control is another matter altogether…

Have they gotten thinner, well that’s a Yes and a No answer…No, because most magazines have actually added more pages, yes of advertising too/also but that pays for the magazine to be made but also of articles or columns—and primarily to compete against the Internet…I can get all of mine on downloads if I want and I foresee that happening, to do away with paper and that’s where the Yes comes in…The magazines are using a different bond/weight/style of paper, quite a bit thinner so that means a thinner publication of the same page count…

Like Zundfolg – I do not like taking my notebook or laptop into the reading room (toilet) or when using public transportation (buses) to and from appointments…I live outside the city and I drive to the edge of the city, park in a mall parking lot and get on a “Park and Ride” bus and for $6, I get to four places, don’t hassle for parking metres ($4 hr) or parking tickets ($60 or $90), towing ($120), outrageous parking lot fees ($8 hr or portion) and no wear and tear on any of my vehicles…I especially like reading big bold firearm titled mags—stir up the hoplophobes with Guns, Guns & Ammo, Rifle or American Rifleman or whatever else I have with me…

Once upon a time the gun rags were great and the writers legend – Elmer Keith, Skeeter Skelton, Wes Jordan, Col. Townsend Whelan etc. just like you said, but the problem I’m seeing far too often, is that no one is going back and reading their articles or their books (Even on line) and all sorts of erroneous claims are attributed to them…Mrs. Jack O’Connor shooting an elephant dead with one shot of a .30/06 or that you can’t hit a target with a handgun beyond 100 yards etc…

It was a sleepy(ing) lion backed with four big boomers and ALL of the old pistoleros did it routinely even out to 600 yards! — Keith et al...

Will printed magazines go the way of the Dodo bird? Definitely, for sure, you betcha! When—probably within 5 for sure 10 years! Too much of an environmental impact! Will the Internet put magazines out of business? No way in Hell! They’ll just go digital so bloggers and forum members can more easily post copy written material and plagiarize the authors’ work to their little hearts content and pose the same question, worded slightly differently, thirty times in a half year because they're too stupidly lazy to do a search… Please put quotes and note the source(s) when using someone else's words--thank you!

How many times have you seen the same topic, worded slightly different, ten, five, even two posts below it...Topics like Ruger 10/22 vs Marlin 60, .308 vs. .30/06, Mossberg 500/590 vs. Remington 870, Is the .22LR, .25 ACP, .410 Gauge an ideal defensive round, ad nauseum...Sorry, about the rant, venting my spleen but it really irks me to no end! You want to tell them where to go and what to do when they get there but you answer nicely because they're newbies!

JohnKSa
August 11, 2009, 04:12 AM
Jim Zumbo is out of a job for saying something that I agree with -- Assault, battle rifles, those Evil Black Devils aren’t great “big game” hunting arms even if you change the upper on an AR to anything, anything at all, from .223/5.56mm…First of all, that's ancient history, since then Mr. Zumbo has apparently broadened his horizons a bit and seems to be the better for it. I think he was able to take the incident and do something constructive with it. He also has his job back (or at least some of his jobs).

Second, he didn't simply say that they weren't good for hunting and no one misrepresented his words or took them out of context, they were posted on the web for all to see. What got him into trouble wasn't simply voicing an opinion that AR-15's weren't good for hunting but his comments about them being "terrorist rifles", the implication that anyone who used one would be "lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them", and his statement that "game departments should ban them from the praries and woods."

Since you seem to believe they are ok for "open prairies" you don't agree with him at all--and it seems obvious that you're ranting about what happened to him without even knowing what he said.

For what it's worth, I agree with the general sentiment of your post. You have to wade through a LOT more garbage on the web to find the worthwhile nuggets of information.

scotthsi
August 11, 2009, 06:19 AM
Even the articles are nothing more than advertisements these days...

Bopleo
August 11, 2009, 08:40 AM
Gotta have something to read when you gotta go. I guess you could take the laptop.

rbernie
August 11, 2009, 08:47 AM
One word - iPhone. :)

22-rimfire
August 11, 2009, 09:13 AM
I think forums are a bit "too instant" and seemingly anonymous which leads to quick shoot from the hip statements. I think many of us would be better off typing any long reponses to a thread topic off line, reviewing it, and then pasting it into the forum reply. That includes me especially when I allow emotion to take presidence over intelligence or experience.

You generally will not see this in the sporting print media as there are editors who usually go over every article prior to publication. So the information is likely more accurate and better written.

AR-15Nutt
August 11, 2009, 10:24 AM
Jeff Cooper, Elmer Keith...Skeeter Skelton....Bob Milek, Neal Knox, P.O. Ackley, and many more, sadly, these men are no longer with us. and that is why i do not buy or read the mags they regularly wrote in, my favorites now are SWAT, SAR, Tactical Weapons and Weapons for Military & Police i rarely ever notice who the author is except for "Mad Dawg" Mike Getty, who is a personal friend of mine.

Lakeshore
August 11, 2009, 04:30 PM
I subscribe the 4 (soon to be 3) gun mags. I still enjoy them but it seems the reviews are becoming less objective and more like infomercials. Like a previous poster I am a Mas Ayoob fan; his stuff comes across as highly credible. Anyone noticed that the gun rags have mostly tiptoed around the ammo shortage situation? I figure it's because they don't want to offend advertisers.

Wil Terry
August 11, 2009, 05:41 PM
You are giving credence to folks hear who have no provenence, post under phony names, and basically operate as a bunch of spoiled brat blowhards. SO, are there folks here who do indeed know their way around a sixgun or autoloading pistol ??? THERE CERTAINLY ARE !!! But you have no way of knowing who they are and you will never know because they'll run and hide before you get too close to figure out who they are, let alone what they are.

Zak Smith
August 11, 2009, 05:49 PM
I've been writing shooting-related articles on the internet since 2004 and for print magazines since 2006. Let me see if I can relate some of my experience in the form of responses to comments already posted to this thread:



More ads? They are all ads.
The problem with gun mags is they have a hard time being critical of their advertisers,
Even the articles are nothing more than advertisements these days...
I can see both sides of this issue. From an author's (ie, my) perspective, he is getting paid by the publisher, not the manufacturer. If he wants to retain some level of credibility, he better accurately criticize or praise the products. That is what I attempt to do. But what an author writes is not necessarily what will show up in print. His editors have final say and it's not uncommon for a few things to be changed - or omitted - from time to time.

On the other hand, a freelance gun writer makes almost no money writing articles. On average, if he produces one great article a week with good artwork and data/testing behind it, he'd make about as much as someone working full-time for $12/hour. I find it takes me 4-8 weeks to put together a really good article, from first getting the equipment to finishing the article. Subtract out necessary expenses like ammo, tools, fuel, range fees, targets, whatever, and it's even less viable. So this excludes freelance gun writing as a true profession and we are left with people who do it on the side almost as a hobby. It's easy to see how a gun enthusiast who gets to write articles from time to time could become enthralled by the steady stream of demos and hesitant to criticize them. I've seen some examples that were so bad I was embarrassed for the writer.

I’ll read the magazines because I can at least understand what they’ve written, they have used proper grammatical punctuation and usage, spelled it correctly and more importantly, they know what the Hell they’re talking about and have excellent research assistants to provide them with the info
This is true, however, the quality of writing in gun magazines is often lacking when compared to other print media. As for research assistants: the majority of authors of gun-magazine articles are freelance (ie, not under contract) and have no assistants.

I can assure you that any of the periodicals will receive the press releases well before “Bubba’s Big Boo Boo Blog”
Being able to say, "I'm going to review this for XYZ Magazine" is a huge help in getting demos and information out of a manufacturer. In the last couple years, they have warmed up to online media especially if they've heard of you before. However, even if both parties get the information at the same time, the internet media guy has a huge advantage in that he can get readers as soon as his article is together; the print-media guy has to wait until that huge machine chomps on his article for months. By that time, it's "old news" to everyone who is paying attention.

Zak Smith
August 11, 2009, 05:51 PM
But you have no way of knowing who they are and you will never know because they'll run and hide before you get too close to figure out who they are, let alone what they are.
The flip side to this is that I believe people who regularly research things on the internet have a better-developed ability to judge the likely level of truth of things they find. I find that people without internet experience as more like to simply "believe something because I read it."

CoRoMo
August 11, 2009, 06:19 PM
I think there are too many forums.

earlthegoat2
August 12, 2009, 12:40 AM
I think there are too many forums.

Ditto that.

Also with magazines at least there is some credibility to the writer because the author does appear under the title of the article. Also there are sometimes pictures of the author taking a few shots or running tests. Here in the forums everyone is an expert with little to no real credibility. Yup, even me.

Having said that the only gun mag I get is American Rifleman and even though that has some good political information and other RKBA stuff and I know the money I paid for it is going to a bigger cause than just the magazine I still find myself tossing it in a bin before reading it. Its just more of the same drivel.

Erik M
August 12, 2009, 06:29 PM
I sometimes flip through an outdated copy of Shooters Bible to look at the pretty pictures. I cant find a magizine that doesn't scream tacticoolio when im in front of the magizine rack at BookLand.

That and

Well, I don't have a computer in the bathroom....

federalfarmer
August 12, 2009, 11:36 PM
Gun Mag's when I want a good opinion! I like reading on here BUT I do not know you and have to take everything with a grain of salt. No offense!

macro01
August 20, 2009, 10:52 AM
Forums are excellent sources of tips, you can ask and expect a reply from fellow members.. :) But for people like me who loves to read, I still get good magazines once in a while. My recent purchase is Shooting Times (http://www.magazinesubscriptionsonsale.com/Products/Shooting%20Times.html) and bought it from this magazine coupon site (http://www.magazinesubscriptionsonsale.com), great buy! :)

9mm+
August 20, 2009, 11:22 AM
I like both forums and magazines. The forums are very helpful but are usually lacking in "gun porn". Nothing like an 8x10 glossy photo of a firearm to get you drooling.

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