[TheProf]

What do you think of this revolver concept... Imagine a .22 mag NAA mini revolver.....now make that revolver a little bigger ...not still a lot smaller than any j-frame or LCR.

Perhaps a .32 five shot double action mini revolver.

Is there such a gun in the market today? I heard that Charter Arms makes a .32 but its almost the size of a .38 j-frame. In that case, I might as well go with the j-frame.

So...what do you think of a mini .32 revolver concept?

[rcmodel]

It's still going to be a single-action that you have to take the cylinder out to reload.

.32 S&W? Not much better then a .22RF or .22 Mag.
.32 H&R Mag or .327 Federal?
Probably need to be too bigger to hold the pressure.

rc

[Ron James]

NAA already built a prototype of such a firearm. I don't know if they plan to build it but they are at least thinking about it. A very small .32 revolver.

[rcmodel]

See it here:
http://www.lesjones.com/posts/003001.shtml

Boy! Talk about Fugly!

rc

[gvass]

http://www.gazpisztoly.hu/contadatok/image/keseru/micromax/micromax_01x.jpg


http://www.gazpisztoly.hu/contadatok/image/keseru/micromax/micromax_07.jpg


(Imagine it in stainless and in .380 ACP)

[MCgunner]

Why .380? If I want a small .380 (and I'm thinkin' about it), I'll get a Ruger LCP or a KT P3AT. Kahr and Taurus are coming out with this size .380, also, as I understand it.

Me, I'll keep my .38. An NAA mini in .32 might be fun, but I'm not sure about practical, especially as a primary weapon, no thanks. I have a .22 mini I carry as an also. NAA does make a .380 auto that isn't TOO big, but a bit heavy compared to the 9 ounce options mentioned.

NAA's original project was to be a top break. That would have been novel.

[Madcap_Magician]

What I want is a six-shot J-frame .327 Federal Magnum.

[RevolvingGarbage]

Or maybe a smaller-than j-frame 4 shot .38 special. It would maybe be like 75% the size of a 5 shot version.

[rcmodel]

No it wouldn't.

The cylinder wall thickness over the chambers is the defining limit on the .38 caliber J-Frame size.

Making the cylinder any smaller around is not possible and still have any chamber wall left.

A four shot cylinder would have to be the same diameter, but it would be heavier because of the loss of one hole.

rc

[CoRoMo]

I'm not a fan of newfangled cartridges, but I've always wondered about a rimmed/straight walled magnum (or not due to case capacity) cartridge, with a bullet diameter in the neighborhood of .257, 7mm, or .30 cal.

Surely something like that was produced over the ages.

[Jim Watson]

As I recall, the NAA prototype small .32 revolver was still a single action which cuts WAY down on its suitability for MY self defense.

Maybe if S&W were to bring back the I frame in high strength materials.
Six heavily loaded .32s would be worth something.

[RugRev]

Seems to me Casull Arms when they were in business had a DA small .22LR revolver which if increased in size in a bit larger caliber would be of interest.

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/128633000/128633341/pix1017419640.jpg

Years ago Colt made a Pocket Positive which was quite small in .32 cal. Here is what Grant Cunningham had to say on his blog:

"The Pocket Positive was nothing more than a scaled-down "D" frame (Detective Special, etc.) After all, the "D" frame was just a scaled down "E" frame (Official Police, etc.) so why not go even smaller? The Pocket Positive was a tiny little gun - considerably smaller than even a "J" frame. (A cylinder on the Colt measures 1.240", while the "J" frame comes in at 1.310". What really makes the difference, though, is the frame - the Pocket Positive is a tiny, almost jewel-like gun, noticeably smaller than the popular "J".) The action is, as noted, of normal Colt design, and should smooth up as nicely as its bigger brothers.

The Pocket Positive was most commonly chambered in the .32 Colt Police round, aka the .32 S&W Long. Now the .32 S&W round isn't terribly powerful, of course, but neither is the .32ACP - a cartridge used and praised in the backup role for many years. The .32 revolver round has a significantly heavier bullet, so it should have better penetration than the .32ACP - always a good thing when shooting a "mousegun." Ammunition is still being made, though the factory offerings are limited to lead round nose.

Pocket Positives have not yet captured the collecting world's imagination, and are still available at reasonable prices. I picked one up a while back for $150, and it's been sitting in my "to do" pile awaiting some spare time. I think I'll dig that out and put it back into working order; I think it may be the answer to the need for a good backup revolver!

(Now if only someone would reintroduce it in titanium...)"

Here is a link to a picture of one:

http://www.armchairgunshow.com/images/hc-pp1296.jpg

[Claude Clay]

A four shot cylinder would have to be the same diameter

a 4 shot will actuall be wider than a 5 cause the holes are all opposite each other rather than offset--'nestled'. wall thickness being the same.

for a small 32 lets take a giant leap back in time.....


http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/3004/pict0109s.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/i/pict0109s.jpg/)

no points for this; can anyone spot what is incorrect about the picture?

[Vern Humphrey]

I'm not a fan of newfangled cartridges, but I've always wondered about a rimmed/straight walled magnum (or not due to case capacity) cartridge, with a bullet diameter in the neighborhood of .257, 7mm, or .30 cal.

Surely something like that was produced over the ages.
Yep. It's called the .32-20.

From the Hodgdon reloading manual, .32-20 (pistol): 110 grain bullet, 16.2 grains of H110, muzzle velocity 1546 fps. That's from a 7 1/2" barrel, but still impressive.

[TheProf]

What about a three round .38 mini revolver? It would be the size of a derringer...with one more shot and be double action. Would something like that be workable?

[Vern Humphrey]

What about a three round .38 mini revolver? It would be the size of a derringer...with one more shot and be double action. Would something like that be workable?
A 5-round cylinder is the smallest possible cylinder. You don't gain a millimeter by reducing the number of chambers below five.

[Molasses]

Just a passing thought while reading the comments about a 4-shot cylinder: anyone else remember the old Colt .41RF cloverleaf House Model revolver? Not the 5-shot round cylinder version that was also made, the cloverleaf.

It had interesting 4-shot cruciform, X-shaped, + shaped, 4-leafed clover-shaped or however you can picture it cylinder. And it could be carried with the hammer down between chambers, which made for a flatter carry package, which I think'd be germane to this discussion.

[Low Budget Shooter]

Gvass,

What is that? Is it real? Does that say 9mm K (.380 acp) on the side?

LBS

[NCsmitty]

no points for this; can anyone spot what is incorrect about the picture?

Claude Clay, would it be that the cylinder pin is not original?


NCsmitty

[jmabbott888@aol.com]

no points for this; can anyone spot what is incorrect about the picture?

2 different rounds in the foreground & is that a dummy round in the trigger guard? Mine has a flat cylinder release lever (for lack of a better term lol) Last thing, was it ever made in nickle?

[MCgunner]

Actually, it looks like a rimfire in the trigger guard.

[gvass]

"Gvass,

What is that? Is it real? Does that say 9mm K (.380 acp) on the side?"


No, it is a 9 mm PAK (9x22 mm) tear gas/blank non lethal slefdefence device.

European Speciality:-))

:banghead:


Entirely made of aluminium, less than 4 ozs.:p

Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohLD8BKdaEU


But sizevise it is possible to made in .380 ACP, but you need stronger material (stainless steel). It would be a great deeeeeeep concealment piece with more reliability than pocket pistols.

[.455_Hunter]

I think a scaled-up Mini-revolver chambered for .32 ACP would be just the ticket. Keep the 5-shot configuration, keep the SA operation, keep the cylinder removal for loading. A .32 S&W cylinder could be offered as an accessory.

[Joe Demko]

NAA toyed with this idea and ditched it a couple-three years ago. I'd like a truly tiny .32 revolver too; but the gunmakers do not foresee enough demand for such a piece to generate a profit for them.

[.455_Hunter]

The best thing they could do is to take the CAD files for the .22 Magnum Mini and scale everything by 1.45 (.32/.22).

Don't change anything else!

[Dr_2_B]

I think when we get that small, there's more size efficiency in the autos