Virginia - must PROVE citizenship when buying "assault rifle???"


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W.E.G.
July 22, 2009, 10:59 PM
I got sent home today because, although I had my VA Drivers License, and my county
Concealed Handgun Permit, I failed to PROVE my citizenship.

How many of you were aware that you must now PROVE your citizenship in order to
buy an AR-15 in Virginia?

Not only that, I thought we had pretty much done away with the fool notion of "assault rifle."

From the back side of the current version of the Virginia form:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/RKBA/provecitizen.jpg

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MikeS.
July 23, 2009, 04:35 AM
W.E.G., it's been that way for a few years now. All the shops in Winchester have signs up. Seen them at Chantilly gunshows too.

moccasin
July 23, 2009, 06:56 AM
You have to present something else with the same address as you DL regardless of what type of firearm you purchase in VA, why not use your Voters Registration Card and kill 2 birds with one stone? Wouldn't even have to worry about it that way. The only time I used my CHP in VA it took 4 hours to get approval, without it about 2 minutes.

inclinebench
July 23, 2009, 10:55 AM
What part of VA were you in?

chris in va
July 23, 2009, 12:02 PM
Is that something new?

JohnBT
July 23, 2009, 01:28 PM
"How many of you were aware that you must now PROVE your citizenship in order to buy an AR-15 in Virginia?"

Me, for a long time now. Some of my regular shops have even had a sign up and/or a sign taped to each gun.

John

moccasin
July 23, 2009, 02:06 PM
What part of VA were you in?

Doesn't matter, it's a state law so everyone has to deal with it.

Is that something new?

Been that way for a while, not really anything to complain about though. I bought an "assault rifle" last January and didn't even realize this law existed until recently. Since we have to show DL and a second item with the same address on it I use my Voter Registration, no problems.

Noxx
July 23, 2009, 02:20 PM
Same here in CA, you've got to cough up your auto registration or other similar "proof of residence" to complete a transaction, even a PPT. Which is kinda weird if you think about it, any doof can phony up a CA auto registration a lot more easily than a license / I.D..

Jump thru the hoops, good dog, etc.:barf:

Truthseeker
July 23, 2009, 03:15 PM
I use my voter's registration card along with the DL and I've never had any problems.

Gene

sernv99
July 24, 2009, 06:43 AM
I live in northern VA and I support the US citizenship requirement.

everallm
July 24, 2009, 07:19 AM
It's NOT a US citizenship requirement. it's a legal permanent resident requirement which includes Green Card holders.

stove6
July 24, 2009, 07:34 AM
I would just go private party and avoid the paperwork.

Shear_stress
July 24, 2009, 08:53 AM
I live in northern VA and I support the US citizenship requirement.

Yes, because why should legal immigrants be able to defend themselves?

MAKster
July 24, 2009, 11:06 AM
The Virginia requirement to be a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident to buy an "assault firearm" has been in effect since the early 1990s. It was enacted after a foreign national used an AK-47 to kill two people and wound three others at a stop light near the entrance to CIA headquarters in 1993. The law only affects illegal immigrants and people in the country on temporary work or student visas. If you have a voter registration card you're set.

sernv99
July 24, 2009, 09:47 PM
Yes, because why should legal immigrants be able to defend themselves?

more like, why should Wahid Jamal and the Jihad Funky Bunch be allowed to stockpile an arsenal in order to do a homegrown terrorist attack? You ever read up on the latest arrests of these "Islamic" fundamentalists and their intended plans to stockpile an arsenal?

if legal immigrant Joe Blow wants to defend himself, he/she can go buy a sporting shotgun. Buying an AK with multiple 30 round mags seems overkill for self defense but that's another debate:rolleyes: you don't live in a diverse place like northern VA do ya???.....Where we have an Islamic school funded by Saudi Arabia that teaches intolerance and fundamentalist rhetoric, so much that there is growing opposition to the planned expansion of this school.

Shear_stress
July 25, 2009, 01:38 PM
Uh, you do realize that by buying into this xenophobic garbage you are buying into two of the most common and illogical anti-gun arguments in existence. First, "we should make X illegal because someone might use X for illegal purposes". The corollary is "one person used X for illegal purposes, that means that X should be illegal for everyone". Collective punishment is great ain't it! How American! Second, "there exists an extra-deadly type of gun called the 'assault rifle' that requires tight regulation for civilian ownership". Thank you for using a pro-gun forum to perpetuate reflexively anti-gun statements.

if legal immigrant Joe Blow wants to defend himself, he/she can go buy a sporting shotgun. Buying an AK with multiple 30 round mags seems overkill for self defense but that's another debate

Sheesh, we gun owners really are our own worst enemies.

And, yes, I live in an extremely ethnically diverse area. Fairly ethnically diverse myself, as a matter of fact. So, please, keep your assumptions to yourself.

sernv99
July 25, 2009, 03:48 PM
Uh, you do realize that by buying into this xenophobic garbage

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10089947

excerpt: The suspects are Mohamad Ibrahim Shnewer, 22; Dritan Duka, 28; Shain Duka, 26; Eljvir Duka, 23; Serdar Tatar, 23; and Agron Abdullahu, 24. They were all ordered held without bail until a hearing on Friday.

The Dukas were brothers from Yugoslavia, Shnewer was a Jordanian. Tatar was born in Turkey. All of the men had been in the U.S. for years. Three were here illegally, two others had green cards and one was a citizen. Together, Weis said, they formed a platoon intent on taking on the army.

if this was located in VA, the one citizen COULD had bought the weapons they sought but I would rather take chances with ONE possible nutcase vs. letting the green card holders have the right to buy "assualt" rifles without proof of citizenship.


when did protecting the good ole US of A become Xenophobia?:rolleyes:

maybe read up on current events a little more?:eek:

Shear_stress
July 25, 2009, 04:59 PM
maybe read up on current events a little more?

Well, golly, I seem to recall an event about eight years ago. Biggest terrorist attack on American soil. Over 3000 killed. The weapons were box cutters and airplanes. No shots fired. Remember that one? Second biggest attack was a good ole' boy and a Ryder truck full of ammonium nitrate. Again, no shots fired. As for those six idiots who were arrested before they could try anything--in light of all the stuff that's happened (including numerous actual mass shootings done by red-blooded Americans), it's those degenerates who keep you up at night?

if this was located in VA, the one citizen COULD had bought the weapons they sought but I would rather take chances with ONE possible nutcase vs. letting the green card holders have the right to buy "assault" rifles without proof of citizenship.

It that kind of creeping incrementalist "logic" the anti-gunners use to argue for banning all sorts of different guns. "If we could just save one person, then it would all be worth it". In other words, you use an extremely unlikely or uncommon event to deprive rights from a chunk of the population. There are three hundred million people in this country and by far the leading causes of death are heart disease, cancer, and stroke, in that order, according to the CDC. Terrorism--especially terrorism involving guns--ranks somewhere near lightning strikes as a cause of death (which average about 80 a years, again according to the CDC--see link). Hell, the ratio of annual deaths due to car accidents to that caused by international terrorism is 142:1 in the U.S.--and even that number is high because the study spans 1994 and 2003 (see link).

http://wonder.cdc.gov/wonder/PrevGuid/m0052833/m0052833.asp
http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/11/6/332?HITS=10&sortspec=relevance&hits=10&maxtoshow=&andorexactfulltext=and&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT&fulltext=terrorism&searchid=1&RESULTFORMAT=

Again, what you're talking about is collective punishment. Might work in boot camp, but that's not how we do things in the "good ole USA". It's just anti-gun paranoia masquerading as "public safety".

Funny that some of the people who wave the flag the hardest are the most eager to deprive others of rights for the flimsiest of reasons. It's classic "divide and conquer": get one group behind depriving rights for another, thinking that such laws would "never" come back to bite them in the butt. Right.

There are a couple of other reasons I find your rationale so, uh, interesting. First, "assault weapons" are essentially a way to have the government in the business of defining exactly what guns they think you should be allowed to own. Just what we need, more beaurocrats obsessing over the "shoulder thing that goes up". Second, by supporting an AW ban, you are acknowledging that you think gun control works. I mean, think about it, a person who had no qualms about killing a bunch of folks probably wouldn't concern themselves with going through legal channels to get guns.

JohnBT
July 25, 2009, 07:24 PM
"Well, golly, I seem to recall an event about eight years ago."

Well, dang, I reckon I dint hear about that un.

Weren't you discussing the CIA shooting? Why change subjects?



" think about it, a person who had no qualms about killing a bunch of folks probably wouldn't concern themselves with going through legal channels to get guns."

There's no need to make it easy for them to get guns either.

Okay, so you have to be a citizen to buy an AR in Virginia. That's a hardship on which American? Not a one.

John

JohnBT
July 25, 2009, 07:29 PM
"We the people of the United States"

...of the United States. Not visitors to, not intruders in, not anybody but "...people of..."

The Constitution is really interesting if you sit down and read it. It's all about the rights of Americans. :)

Shear_stress
July 25, 2009, 07:31 PM
Weren't you discussing the CIA shooting? Why change subjects?

If you look at my posts I never mention it. That was one shooting out of how many every day? I should care more about it than other shootings why? The subject is fear versus rational risk assessment. People have a lot of the former because they are not very good at the latter. So much fulminating about terrorism, so little actual risk. If someone believe that every shooting merits additional (and no doubt awesomely effective ;)) government regulation, than I don't see how their perspective differs from that of the anti-gun crowd.

Okay, so you have to be a citizen to buy an AR in Virginia. That's a hardship on which American? Not a one

Great attitude. Good thing natural rights only apply to Americans. The Constitution begins with "we the people" not "we the citizens of the United States".

It's all about the rights of Americans.

Funny, the word "American" never actually appears in the Constitution.

Art Eatman
July 25, 2009, 08:43 PM
Well, now that polly ticks has become more the subject than the original subject, it's nighty-night...

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