Gun Safe Blues


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Sotuh11325
July 23, 2009, 10:47 PM
So I just got my new scope and base for my 10FP and am pretty eager to get it setup. This evening I went to my safe to pop it open only to find that the safe has somehow jammed! Imagine that! Now I am going to have to cut it open! :cuss:


Anyone else have problems with safes jamming up on you?

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edelbrock
July 23, 2009, 10:53 PM
That sucks. Did you call the manufacturer to see if they could help you out?

Roadwild17
July 23, 2009, 10:54 PM
Type of safe?

RoboDuck
July 23, 2009, 10:54 PM
Call the manufacturer they might be able to help.

Deltaboy
July 23, 2009, 10:56 PM
Call your locksmith.

Sotuh11325
July 23, 2009, 11:01 PM
It's a stack on. Cheap entry level safe. I have been in need of a bigger safe for sometime now and I guess this will be the push to get a better quality and bigger one.


I'm really appauled by the quality of the safe. I entered the combo a million times and tried working with the handle for a while until I figured it was jammed. I tried entering the combo in perfectly and gave it a little bit of force on the handle while holding the door all the way in and the handle literally broke off. I am pretty suprised that the handle broke off since I really wasn't pulling very hard on it...


At this point I am sure the manufacturer won't warranty the safe as I am sure they won't believe that the handle could break off so easily. I plan on cutting a hole in the mechanism and, after recovering my treasures, welding a plate over the hole and using a pad lock of some sort for a basic safe for not-so-valuable items.

Seotaji
July 23, 2009, 11:03 PM
i would say hit it with a rubber mallet.

that's how i got mine open.

Sotuh11325
July 23, 2009, 11:04 PM
Where did you hit it?

Seotaji
July 23, 2009, 11:58 PM
top right above the handle.

it was just a guess. since i held the handle in my left hand.

i just started beating on it (rubber mallet - since everyone was asleep) and the handle started to turn.

jpwilly
July 24, 2009, 12:11 AM
PUSH on the door when you turn the key. Odds are a rifle has slipped into the way of the locking mech / cam and is preventing you from opening.

Claude Clay
July 24, 2009, 12:28 AM
-----^ +1

you have to visualize what the inside of the door has leaning against it before your sawzall saws all. good luck.

Sotuh11325
July 24, 2009, 09:45 AM
Well the thing is that it has an interior wall on the side of the door that keeps them from pushing into the lock mechanism. I've tried pushing the door in pulling on it, etc while trying to open the safe. I even tried tilting it backwards a little bit to see if that would do something. It appears that the bottom bolts may be releasing a bit but the upper ones are definitely holding it shut. I'm pretty sure something broken inside the door.

peyton
July 24, 2009, 10:27 AM
Call a locksmith, way better than messing up the contents of your safe!!

a1abdj
July 24, 2009, 12:55 PM
If you want to keep from tearing anything up, call a locksmith. Since you've already damaged the safe more by trying to open it yourself, they will charge more.

If you're not so worried about the contents get a prybar/sawzall/sledge hammer and a digital camera.

Post photos of your progress.

dirt_j00
July 24, 2009, 01:05 PM
+1 for pics

cratti
July 24, 2009, 01:06 PM
If you're not so worried about the contents get a prybar/sawzall/sledge hammer and a digital camera.

Post photos of your progress. That's just mean... :evil:

ljnowell
July 24, 2009, 01:16 PM
Actually doing a break in on camera could be a really good learning experience for others.

hayes1966
July 24, 2009, 01:29 PM
That does suck. I had a safe fallover (no guns inside) when moving that messed up the lock. I had to go the locksmith route to fix.

If this is a cheaper type stack on it may be cheaper to cut it open rather than call a locksmith.

Shadow 7D
July 24, 2009, 03:32 PM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBhOjWHbD6M

There are afew other instructional videos on youtube
You don't even have to cut, you can open a cheap / thin walled with hand tools

Saw some detailed instructions, remarkably simple to open the sheet metal boxed.

Sotuh11325
July 25, 2009, 03:04 AM
Yeah I am fairly certain calling a locksmith for a safe like this would be a huge waste of time and money. And I didn't damage the safe by not having a locksmith come out from the beginning since the safe obviously has other issues to contend with in the first place. Paying a locksmith to "repair" it would likely cost more than the safe is worth. There is a very obvious mechanical failure inside since the lower bolts are releasing but the upper ones are holding solid and will not release. I also don't see how calling a locksmith is going to somehow "save" the contents of the safe when they are not in danger but I'll be sure to post a few pictures of how damaged all of the contents are when I get it open.


I intend on cutting the face of the door off to get access to the lock mechanism and pop the door open. After that I figure I'll just make this a lockable cabinet by welding a few padlock tabs on it later. With the money I will save by not having a locksmith likely perform a similar thing I am going to do, I will put it towards getting a higher quality safe that would be worth having a professional look at if I ever had an issue with it.

kermit315
July 26, 2009, 12:37 AM
updates? pics?

dcoop
July 26, 2009, 12:58 AM
Is it an actual Stack-On safe like RSC or is it one of their cabinets?

chobee143
July 26, 2009, 08:20 AM
Is it an actual Stack-On safe like RSC or is it one of their cabinets?
+1
I am thinking of buying a Stack-on Elite. If that's what you have, I need to reconsider.

Winston_Smith
July 26, 2009, 10:24 AM
Call a locksmith and ask them what it would cost to come out and open it. Then put a price on losing some privacy and showing a stranger your entire gun collection.

Now, how much did you pay for your safe?

Since you want to buy a new one, I would just open this one yourself and throw it out.

Even if it is an RSC (and not a cabinet) you should be able to open it in less than 30 min with a hammer and screwdriver.

If it is a cabinet, just look at it funny and it should open.

KenWP
July 26, 2009, 10:38 AM
If you figure the locking mec. is buggered I would drill a big hole at the top and sides and use a saws all to cut the bolts off. A metal blade in a skil saw would work to but in the house the sparks would fly. I have opened many money safes with a skil saw after somebody broke off all the dials and handles off the door. have seen the doors full of holes or part holes guys tried to drill into them when they had all weekend or even all night to work on it.

RTC
July 26, 2009, 11:24 AM
A friend passed away a few years ago and his wife did not know the combination to his gun safe. We found the original card with the combination after going through a lot of papers. The safe had a S&G key locked dial type which I was familiar with as I have a similar unit. Trying the combination in every manner possible would not unlock the safe. I worked on this safe many times over a period of weeks. Even called the safe manufacturer to check on the combination. That is not easy to do either. The last time I was trying the combination, I smacked the front of the door in frustration and something clicked inside the safe. Then the dial would turn and unlock the safe. Everything was fine after that and the safe combo worked every time. Took his guns out, inventoried everything, and finally sold the safe for his wife. So trying the smack method may help!

Sotuh11325
July 26, 2009, 12:10 PM
It is a safe, not a cabinet. I have all of the photos on my phone and I don't have my link cable or bluetooth connection on this computer. I can upload the pictures later.


The safe took all of about 5 minutes to get into- definitely not something worth having a smith do in my book. I didn't actually have to cut the face off because it turns out that all of the locking bolts retracted properly except for one (top left). I found this out by gently prying on the edges around all of the corners and noticed that the door would visibly flex at every point except for by the top left where the bolt was holding it.

This made matter very easy. All I had to do was bend the edge of the door back so I could get access to where the pin locks into the safe. After that I used a pry bar to give the bolt a push and it retracted. Done.

Zero damage to the contents. I have hammered the door back into it's shape and I intend on replacing the mechnism with some more substantial and reliable compontents. I'm also going to re-inforce that edge around the door because it was very easy to get access to the bolts.

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