Help! Iím addicted to Uziís!!


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nwilliams
July 24, 2009, 08:30 PM
So a couple months back I picked up a practically brand new IMI Uzi Model 45 in .45acp with a 9mm conversion kit for $1k. See thread: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=441701

Well about two weeks ago another Uzi came into my possession. This time it’s an IMI Uzi Model B with a .45acp conversion kit! Again the gun looks unfired, about as close to 100% mint condition as you can get. Both the gun and the conversion kit came in plastic hard cases. It also came with the manual in original plastic slip case, all original accessories, barrel shroud and the barrel is still wrapped in the original protective paper. The gun came with three 25 round and two 32 round 9mm mags, all IMI. Included with the .45 kit were two 16 round mags, one of the still brand new in the box!

The total package for the rifle along with the .45 conversion kit came to $1700.

However here’s where I made off like a bandit!

Considering I now had a Model 45 with a 9mm conversion kit and an Model B with .45 conversion kit I no longer needed either conversion kit. So I sold the .45 kit with no mags on gunbroker for $330 and I sold the 9mm conversion kit on gunbroker as well for $300.

So in the end I ended up with two Uzi’s for about a $1k each, not too shabby in my opinion, especially considering the condition they’re in and all the accessories and mags I have for each.

I took the new Uzi out to the range yesterday and put 150 rounds of Brown Bear through it and had no issues at all. Granted Uzi’s may not be the most practical guns in the world, but the are just so cool and so much fun to shoot I figured why not have two!

As always here are some pics of my new toy!

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/UziModelBkit.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/UziModelB2.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/UziModelB1.jpg

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nwilliams
July 24, 2009, 08:31 PM
And some pics of the happy new couple....

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/Uzis1.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/Uzis3.jpg

Don’t get excited with with this one, they are sadly just display barrels. It does however make me really anxious to get these guns officially SBR’d.
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/Uzis2.jpg

chuwee81
July 24, 2009, 08:34 PM
wow, nice !!!!

Shear_stress
July 24, 2009, 08:40 PM
Mazel tov!

Big_E
July 24, 2009, 08:51 PM
Awesome. I love Uzi's myself can't wait till I move. You should SBR one of them.

RatDrall
July 24, 2009, 08:59 PM
Beautiful tools!

dullh
July 24, 2009, 10:02 PM
"Beautiful tools! "

Tools?! So exactly what is the use for these "tools"? Concealed carry?

I you love them, have them...but besides the novelty of having a couple Uzi's what purpose do they serve?

And why is this thread under "Rifle Country"?

JoeMal
July 24, 2009, 10:21 PM
That's awesome...enjoy!

lipadj46
July 24, 2009, 10:25 PM
I you love them, have them...but besides the novelty of having a couple Uzi's what purpose do they serve?

This is a firearm forum, full of fire arm enthusiasts. We don't really care what purpose any firearm has. A firearm can have a purpose or can just be fun it does not matter.

And why is this thread under "Rifle Country"?

Where would you expect a post about rifles to be posted?

TexasRifleman
July 24, 2009, 10:28 PM
you love them, have them...but besides the novelty of having a couple Uzi's what purpose do they serve?

And why is this thread under "Rifle Country"?

Maybe because Uzi's (non-NFA) are rifles?

Dunno, just a wild guess.......

Where else would the thread be? :rolleyes:

jojo200517
July 25, 2009, 12:49 AM
Wow I gotta say this is the first time I have seen LONG UZI's. I thought they were all registered as hand guns. I have seen the long mac 10's and there clones before tho so I guess it makes sense. I'd assume this is why people asked why it was in the rifle part.

So the question is, if the barrel got progressively shorter at what point would it go from being a SBR to a pistol?

Float Pilot
July 25, 2009, 12:54 AM
I used to have access to a departmentral UZI sub gun that was a dream to shoot.

I have often thought about buying a carbine semi-auto version for my wife. She has a thing about Israel and that would trip her trigger. Odd since she is a German....anyway....

What type of accuracy are you obtaining at 50 and 100???

nwilliams
July 25, 2009, 01:22 AM
What type of accuracy are you obtaining at 50 and 100???

I haven't done much past 50 yards, most just 25 and 50. They are actually amazingly accurate all things considered. At both 25 and 50 yards its very easy to make fist size groups.

I've never tried shooting one off the bench but I can imagine that off a rest you could achieve some pretty impressive accuracy even out to 100 yards.

briansmithwins
July 25, 2009, 09:31 AM
I've got a Vector Uzi (semi-auto) that will do 4MOA groups at 100 yards off of sandbags. Plenty good enough for me. BSW

rs999
July 25, 2009, 09:51 AM
Are the dummy barrels real (but a felony to use), filled in, a die cast rod, or necked-down tubes?

Kindrox
July 25, 2009, 10:53 AM
Congrats on the pair, I have two in the same calibers. Once you get the hang of the peep sites, they are very accurate. My wife is deadly with them compared to me, she can put a mag darn near throught the same hole at 10 yards. Not much to some, but really good for us.

As for what good are they? I think they are usefull around the house for a defensive gun, and if ever needed, would travel very compactly.

Are the dummy barrels real (but a felony to use), filled in, a die cast rod, or necked-down tubes?

They are actually solid black plastic.

Storm
July 25, 2009, 11:02 AM
Are the dummy barrels real (but a felony to use), filled in, a die cast rod, or necked-down tubes?

I store mine with a dummy barrel other than when I'm shooting it. The dummy barrels are solid but probably not barrel grade steel.

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/479/img5722n.jpg

DMK
July 25, 2009, 11:16 AM
Nice! They are begging to be SBR'd

I never seen an Uzi with a barrel shroud before. That looks pretty cool.

heviarti
July 25, 2009, 11:27 AM
Every time you see an UZI on the A-team, it's the same UZI with a barrel shroud. You've seen it, just prolly didn't notice. There's also a mini-uzi pistol as well.

DMK
July 25, 2009, 11:32 AM
Every time you see an UZI on the A-team, it's the same UZI with a barrel shroud. You've seen it, just prolly didn't notice. It's been a looong time since I've seen the A-team. All I remember are the Mini-14s. I'll have to pay closer attention next time I watch it.

Kernel
July 25, 2009, 12:54 PM
... what is the use ...?
Making the owner smile.

(Made me grin a bit, just by looking at the pictures).

If you have to ask, you don't get it.

Prince Yamato
July 25, 2009, 01:00 PM
Every time you see an UZI on the A-team, it's the same UZI with a barrel shroud. You've seen it, just prolly didn't notice.

So true. Also, it's a Micro Uzi pistol that you see in addition to the Uzi carbine, not the Mini.

DMK
July 25, 2009, 03:38 PM
If you have to ask, you don't get it. Reminds me of the saying that the Jeep community has.

"It's an Uzi thing, you won't understand", "It's an AK thing, you won't understand", "It's an AR15 thing, you won't understand"

Some of us could probably also borrow "build it, run it, break it, repeat" :)

TexasRifleman
July 25, 2009, 04:34 PM
So the question is, if the barrel got progressively shorter at what point would it go from being a SBR to a pistol?

The long Uzi carbines can never be pistols, they can only be SBRs. It is not legal to make a pistol out of a rifle.

That happens when you get a barrel less than 16 inches long and an overall length, with the stock extended, of less than 26 inches.

The Uzi pistols must never be rifles, in other words you can't ever put a stock on them with their short barrels. Now, if you put a long barrel AND a stock on an Uzi pistol it becomes a rifle temporarily but with only a stock, that's an SBR.

So, there are Uzi's that were sold as carbines and Uzi's that were sold as pistols.

The dummy barrels are legal, they don't have a chamber and they are solid low grade steel. ATF says that when no barrel at all is installed it's OK to have the shorter length since you can't fire it that way. Having a real short barrel on one, even if you don't shoot it, is a felony without the tax stamp.

Gun laws are stupid :)

Kernel
July 25, 2009, 06:03 PM
Okay. Let me get this straight.

Some UZIs are handguns and some are carbines (rifles), based on stock configuration and barrel length (except for that, they're identical). This determination (handgun vs. carbine) was made at the factory when they were built, and the s/n's registered with whomever mfgrs register s/n's with (presumably the BATF).

It's legal, on your kitchen table, to reconfigure a pistol into a carbine by swapping out the barrel and putting a rifle stock it. Provided the barrel is over 16" long and the weapon's overall length, with the stock extended, is 26" or more.

Right so far?

However, just putting a longer barrel on a pistol, while the pistol grip is still in place, is a no-no. And just putting a rifle stock on a pistol, while the pistol barrel is still attached, is a no-no. To stay legit, you gotta do both, or neither.

A pistol can be converted into a carbine, but, it doesn't work the other way. It's not legal to convert a carbine to a pistol on your kitchen table. Doing so can get you a free orange jump suit and a date with a guy named SPIDER, surprise! - your new roommate.

What if, when you bought it, you thought it was a pistol? Filled out all the paper work for a pistol. Dealer told you it was a pistol. Looks just like a pistol. Waited the pistol waiting period. Does that make it a pistol?

Nope. It could still be a carbine. You don't get to decide. They guy who owned it before you doesn't get to decide. The dealer you bought it from doesn't get to decide. The paperwork in your hand, that says HANDGUN all over it, doesn't get to decide.

The decision, on whether it's a handgun or carbine, was made at the factory before the weapon was ever shipped to the wholesaler.

It's the same deal with Thomson/Center Contenders & Encores. The whole issue went before the Supreme Court some years ago.

Caveat emptor. Before you buy one of these firearms used, it's a good idea to call the manufacturer with the s/n and find out from them if it's a handgun or a carbine. It's the only way to be sure. Otherwise, be prepared to say, "HELLO Spider!"

Now, I either need an attorney, or a nap.

briansmithwins
July 25, 2009, 07:37 PM
Anything with a stock needs to have a barrel over 16" long and have a total length of 26" or better. Folding stocks get to get measured open.

Any shorter than 16" needs one of these:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/briansmithwins/IMG_1487.jpg

Once you have the stamp, you can use a barrel shorter than 16" and have a shorter length than 26". Let's you do this:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/briansmithwins/IMG_1491.jpg

Vector semi-auto. Had it about 18 months. Sent in the Form 1 in February. Just got the barrel back from the machinist last evening. Funny thing is, with the short barrel it handles and balances like a different weapon. BSW

nwilliams
July 25, 2009, 07:59 PM
^^^Looks awsome ^^^:cool:

I'm hoping that by the end of the year I'll find the time to get the paperwork turned in and sbr the Model B.

A guy I work with has an original 10in IMI Uzi 9mm barrel that he said he'd give to me once I get approved. He doesn't own an Uzi but somehow acquired a short barrel many years back and it's been sitting on his shelf in unused condition ever since. So I have a free short barrel just waiting to go on this new Uzi but I can't take possession of it yet:banghead:

DMK
July 26, 2009, 12:35 PM
However, just putting a longer barrel on a pistol, while the pistol grip is still in place, is a no-no. Kernel you are correct except for this one minor point. There is no law that says a handgun/pistol has to have a certain barrel length. You could put a 20" barrel on a handgun. It would be useless and impossible to handle but legal.

However, you can not put a vertical handgrip on a handgun. That makes it an AOW (Any Other Weapon) and requires a tax stamp from the ATF/IRS. I believe a horizontal handgrip is OK though (Contenders and Encores have these don't they?).

Prince Yamato
July 29, 2009, 02:52 PM
I believe a horizontal handgrip is OK though (Contenders and Encores have these don't they?).

That's because it's not a "horizontal handgrip" it's a "barrel shroud".

Pony Express
July 29, 2009, 08:13 PM
cool guns and great photography!

Kind of Blued
July 29, 2009, 10:23 PM
Tools?! So exactly what is the use for these "tools"?

Shooting things?

Concealed carry?

Why not?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Reagan_assassination_attempt_4_crop.jpg

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