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Boneszee
July 24, 2009, 09:48 PM
Hey everybody, I'm looking for a cheap bolt action rifle to order online to shoot for fun. My budget is about $200 max. I'm new to owning guns and I'm also wondering what licenses I need in order to own a rifle.

Thanks

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armoredman
July 24, 2009, 09:58 PM
Legal stuff is where you live, here in AZ, if you are 18 and not a prohibited possessor, (felon, Lautneberg), you go to the store, plunk your money down, fill out the paperwork, suffer a 15 minute check, and walk out with it, and any ammo/accessories you want to get.Check with your locla gun shop to see what you need, and don't fudge it.
Now for cheap and good, if milsurp there is always the ubiquitous Mosin Nagant, I reccomend the 91/30 for nothing but range, the M-44 with attached pigsticker for fun. The sticky bolt phenomenon is pretty easily cured with a dril chucked with a 20 gause brush and some heavy degreaser sprayed in the chamber after firing abotu5 rounds, otherwise the bolt can be REALLY sticky to open with cheap surplus ammo.
Another favorite is the British Enfield No4Mk1*, but factory ammo is not cheap, I reload all mine, great rifle.
Or, hit the pawn shops and see what's out there, Savage usually is had cheap, good solid rifles.

NCsmitty
July 24, 2009, 10:13 PM
What kind of rifle were you thinking of getting? A 22 rimfire or a centerfire?

NCsmitty

Boneszee
July 24, 2009, 10:20 PM
Thanks for the info armoredman, I'll check around some surplus shops around my area and maybe I'll find one a Mosin.

@NCsmitty: I'm not sure what the difference between those is. Honestly as long as the rifle is bolt action, accurate, and a good price, I really don't care about bullet size.

C-grunt
July 24, 2009, 10:27 PM
Then I would suggest a Savage Mk II .22lr from Walmart. Its pretty darn accurate, in your price range and .22lr is the most inexpensive round you can get. 550 rounds for under 20 bucks is awesome.

The synthetic stock ones are cheaper but for 200 I think you could get one with a nice looking wood stock.

greyling22
July 24, 2009, 10:40 PM
maybe find an old savage at a pawn shop? don't forget that you'll likely want a scope (minimun 50 bucks, rings, 10, scope bases 10) as far as caliber, .22's are $15 for 500 or so. most other calibers are $15 for 25 or so. if you do get a .22, I really really think you will want a semi-automatic. you might find a ruger or marlin semi-auto at walmart for under 200. I know many people's budgets are tight, but if you are willing to strech your budget just a bit you can get a better gun.

52grain
July 24, 2009, 10:54 PM
I have 2 Savage Mark IIs in .22 lr. They are good guns for the money and widely available. A lot of people think that they are cheap guns, but they are really a good gun on a cheap stock. Assuming that you are new to shooting as well, I really recommend .22 lr. The ammo is cheap which is really important when you are learning. After all the only way to learn is to practice.

Mark IIs are available with open sights that will do you the first couple of times at the range, but you will want a scope pretty soon.

Have fun, but remember safety.

rangerruck
July 25, 2009, 02:57 AM
if cost is your number one priority, then a 22lr is the way to go. any of them should be under 150 , new, for a marlin or savage . and ammo is way cheaper, than even a mosin for a centerfire. if you go to a gunstore, or a pawnshop, you can get a used rifle, anywhere for 50 to 100 bucks used.
a box of 50 rounds, of 22 lr ammo , is usually from 1.50 to 4 bucks a box.
Mosin ammo, which is about the cheapest centfire ammo you can get, is about 7 to 10 bucks a box, for 20 rounds. same with a 762x39 ammo, maybe a dollar or so cheaper for a box of 20.
so if you are not a shooter, or have not ever shot, or are very inexperienced in shooting, do yourself a favor, and start on a 22, and get good and comfortable, and shoot a whole lot, for a little money, then you can allways move on to a centerfire later.

Sunray
July 25, 2009, 03:14 AM
"...I'm not sure what the difference between those is..." If you don't know that, you're not ready to buy anything at any price. Go to your local public library and read every firearm related book they have.
Then go buy a used .22. If you find you don't like shooting, you won't be out a pile of money and you can easily sell whatever rifle you buy. Learn the basics first.

Quiet
July 25, 2009, 03:54 AM
For a rimfire rifle...
You can get a (semi-auto) Marlin Model 60 + 1000 rounds for around $200.

For a centerfire rifle...
If you shop around, you can still get a Mosin-Nagant 91/30 and 440 rounds for around $200.

natman
July 25, 2009, 04:07 AM
If you are new to guns you should get a bolt action 22. Ammunition is cheap, recoil is not an issue so you can afford to practice until you learn trigger control, breath control, aiming, etc.

Once you've mastered the 22, then think centerfire.

Boneszee
July 25, 2009, 02:27 PM
Thanks for all the responses everybody.

@Sunray: No thanks, that sounds boring. I don't need to know the difference between centerfire and rimfire because I'll just be shooting milk jugs or other targets in my back yard anyways.

Dazen
July 25, 2009, 02:46 PM
Sunray did give you good advise... It sounds as though you are relatively new to fire arms and if so Learning the basics needs to come first IMHO.

dubbleA
July 25, 2009, 02:51 PM
@Sunray: No thanks, that sounds boring. I don't need to know the difference between centerfire and rimfire because I'll just be shooting milk jugs or other targets in my back yard anyways.


Bonezee, are you for real? :what: From your OP it sounds like you dont have a clue, that is sound advice that Sunray gave. ;)




....and by the above quote that reinforces my thinking :banghead:

iiranger
July 25, 2009, 03:15 PM
PLEASE, go find a NRA training course. City? "Safe gun handling." "Gun Handling for Women" SOMETHING. If you don't know the difference between a centerfire and a rimfire, you are not ready to handle a gun, let alone shoot it.

Or hang out in a gun shop and ask lots of questions. Like a few other passtimes, this one can get you killed EASILY if you make just one BIG mistake... JUST ONE! KILLED!

"Read all the books in the public library..." Yeh, both of them... Hopefully a "Gun Digest" with a whole lot of guns pictured in the back to help you "get acquainted." LUCK.

Boneszee
July 25, 2009, 04:16 PM
99% of the time the gun will be sitting in my room looking badass. Sorry but I'm not spending my Saturdays at the library. I know how to handle a gun safely.

natman
July 25, 2009, 04:31 PM
99% of the time the gun will be sitting in my room looking badass. Sorry but I'm not spending my Saturdays at the library. I know how to handle a gun safely.

Please do not buy a gun until you're mature enough to recognize good advice when you get it.

dubbleA
July 25, 2009, 04:46 PM
Maybe you should start with a airsoft gun, some as you say look "badass" and that's all that really counts.:banghead:

Watch out with them, they can still put your eye out.:scrutiny:

gidaeon
July 25, 2009, 04:58 PM
I apologize if the questions seems odd to the OP.. I've learned over time to not make assumptions... but how big is your backyard? Will you have a suitable backstop in place? How far is the closest neighbor? Seriously.
(I enjoy all my firearms collecting\buying\using but I'm only on 2.5 acres which is why am I starting to look at target air pistols so that I can someday appropriately use something here for fun.)

As long as you absolutely know the 4 rules inside, outside and upside down then ask away on anything here. But those are a non-negotiable beginning to buying, owning, and using any gun :)

+1 on pursuing a rimfire bolt action. I have a number of semiauto rimfires but I still want a nice bolt action.

Floppy_D
July 25, 2009, 05:57 PM
99% of the time the gun will be sitting in my room looking badass.
Based on this, I'd recommend something in the 6mm plastic pellet caliber. Air-something, they call it.

I know how to handle a gun safely.
A lot of people who have had negligent discharges have, too. Training is always a great idea. You make mistakes when you "know what you're doing," too.

It might be a good idea to get out to a range with someone you know who is a firearms enthusiast, and try out a few things. It really sucks to spend a lot of cash on something that sits in your room doing nothing. +1 22lr for a first gun.

Jmacalpine
July 25, 2009, 06:22 PM
!!!!

Jmacalpine
July 25, 2009, 06:24 PM
please

Ratshooter
July 25, 2009, 06:32 PM
Ya'll have at it. I ain't touchin' this one.

addavis
July 25, 2009, 06:44 PM
Boneszee, go buy a BB gun if all you want to do is shoot cans in your back yard( if you can do so safely ). You are responsible for where your bullet ends up.

theotherwaldo
July 25, 2009, 08:04 PM
Wanting to buy a gun without knowing the difference between center fire and rimfire is like wanting to buy a motorcycle and not knowing the difference between a dirt bike and a chopper.

Do some surfing, guy. Wikipedia, even.

PS: I don't think that 19-year-olds can get any firearms in Sycamore, Illinois.

jpwilly
July 25, 2009, 11:39 PM
More like the difference between a moped and a sport bike.

http://www.otherwhirled.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/troll3.jpg

Boneszee
July 26, 2009, 12:32 AM
PS: I don't think that 19-year-olds can get any firearms in Sycamore, Illinois.

Creepy, and untrue. Anyways, like I said earlier, I don't care what size/type the ammo is as long as the rifle is bolt action. So all this discussion about rimfire and centerfire seems irrelevant to me. If anyone else knows any cheap bolt action rifles please keep posting. On the other hand, if you want to call me immature for not wishing to go to the library and study guns, please refrain from posting. The only things that matter to me is the price and that the rifle is bolt action.

Thanks

P.B.Walsh
July 26, 2009, 12:51 AM
Get a Savage Mk I or Mk II, and learn EVERYTHING about the rifle, and please I know rifles can look "badass", but don't get it for that one and only reason.

I did the same thing, I made a Remington 700 look "badass", and it dosent look so hot if you cant shoot worth a darn.

P.S., don't hate on advice, take all of the advice you can get and be grateful that you are getting the advice, because you are going to need it (don't we all need advice).

theotherwaldo
July 26, 2009, 01:43 AM
Not intended to be creepy, just intended to show why we're careful about advice.

The net is not really anonymous. Advice given out to the wrong people can be used against you.

That said, get a Mosin Nagant 91/30 if you want a badass wall decoration. Cheap, manly, a real main battle rifle with all of the trimmings. And you can shoot it if you're feeling macho. A seriously powerful center-fire rifle.

If you want a fun to shoot .22, well, they're all over. Savage Mk I or II would do, although most companies make good, cheap ones. Just learn to use them safely.

By the way, I'm a librarian. I don't advise you to go to the library for this kind of information. Most libraries don't have much good information on guns.

General Geoff
July 26, 2009, 01:59 AM
Anyways, like I said earlier, I don't care what size/type the ammo is as long as the rifle is bolt action. So all this discussion about rimfire and centerfire seems irrelevant to me. If anyone else knows any cheap bolt action rifles please keep posting. On the other hand, if you want to call me immature for not wishing to go to the library and study guns, please refrain from posting. The only things that matter to me is the price and that the rifle is bolt action.

All of this is very relevant.
You NEED to know calibers, because if you don't, you may inadvertently chamber the wrong cartridge in your rifle, and it will blow up in your face.
You NEED to know calibers for purposes of safe backstop construction (if you don't live at the base of a mountain), as well as for known suitable ranges.


First off. You said you'd be shooting at jugs and such in your back yard, that's cool. How big is your back yard? How long of a range are we talking? 25 yards, 250 yards, a thousand yards?

Arkel23
July 26, 2009, 02:17 AM
My posts get locked up and their about simple things, but this crap here99% of the time the gun will be sitting in my room looking badass. nothing against Bonsezee, but this forum and it's SOME administrators are bull****.

P.B.Walsh
July 26, 2009, 02:22 AM
Arkel23, I agree that this should be closed, but unless you have anything to add, then dont post.

juk
July 26, 2009, 02:22 AM
looks like gecko45 finally came back...

fireman 9731
July 26, 2009, 02:45 AM
Creepy, and untrue

Google is your friend... looks like The Hulk is too.

Seriously though, read up on things before you buy a gun. Wikipedia can do wonders.

Boneszee
July 26, 2009, 02:38 PM
I'm gonna stop posting cause you all seem like creepy hillbillies. Next thing I know I'm gonna get a phone call from cletus from the simpsons. Thanks for the help from those of you who provided it.

theotherwaldo
July 26, 2009, 03:25 PM
Hmmm... The Hillbilly Librarian...

Ya know, I LIKE that one! ;)

jackdanson
July 26, 2009, 03:39 PM
I'm gonna stop posting cause you all seem like creepy hillbillies.

Squeal?

Get a bolt action .22. Many options, even at walmart. Get the one you like, savages are cheap/accurate. Ignore high-falutin guys on this forum. No need to go to the library, just know these rules.

1. Don't ever point a gun at anything you aren't willing to destroy.
2. All guns are always loaded, even if you've checked it. Many accidents are caused by people who said "oops, I thought it wasn't loaded".
3. Be sure of what is behind your target, even a .22 will go through more than you think, make sure you have a nice sand or dirt berm behind where you are shooting.
4. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire.

That's all you really need to know, especially if you are just going to be plinking with a .22 for fun.

99% of the time the gun will be sitting in my room looking badass.

hah, just noticed that. hmmmmm

Boneszee
July 26, 2009, 05:05 PM
1. Don't ever point a gun at anything you aren't willing to destroy.
2. All guns are always loaded, even if you've checked it. Many accidents are caused by people who said "oops, I thought it wasn't loaded".
3. Be sure of what is behind your target, even a .22 will go through more than you think, make sure you have a nice sand or dirt berm behind where you are shooting.
4. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire.


Seems pretty much like common sense but appreciate the tips.

Schleprok62
July 26, 2009, 05:20 PM
For what it's worth...

Your comment about not caring whether it's a centerfire or rimfire boggles my mind... Whatever rifle you end up getting, you will need to know what ammo that is safe to use in said weapon... there are SOME bolt action 22LR's that will shoot 22 shorts, longs, and long rifle ammuntion, and there are some that the manufacture warns against it... For instance, my Browning T-bolt... the manual say not to use anything but long rifle ammunition... But both of my Marlins are marked for s-l-lr...

Know what you're buying when you buy it, read the manual when you get it home. Give it agood cleaning and inspection before you shoot it... and always follow all safe handling procedures, regardless of how "dumb" they may seem...

Cheers...

theotherwaldo
July 26, 2009, 05:25 PM
Just another video game commando.

"Any ammo you pick up will fit in any gun."

Trolls are more fun.

P.B.Walsh
July 26, 2009, 05:50 PM
Can a moderator PLEASE close this thread!!

jackdanson
July 26, 2009, 05:54 PM
Seems pretty much like common sense but appreciate the tips.

Yeah, they are. It's harder than it seems though. I've been shooting 20 years and I've still swept my muzzle across someone on accident. I also nearly shot a deer that was behind a 200 yard target on a 600 yard range. I noticed at the last second... "hey somethings moving behind that thing", it was a really close call, if I would have fired I probably would have accidently hit the deer.

MacTech
July 26, 2009, 05:59 PM
Just to give you an example of why knowing the caliber (and what it's capable of) is important...

lets use two examples
Savage Mark II bolt action .22LR
Mosin Nagant M-44 bolt action 7.62x54R

The .22 has an effective range of 1.5 miles if shot in the open
the 7.62X54R has an effective range of 3+ miles if shot in the open

a backstop that works for .22 *might not* stop a 7.62X54R

a High Velocity bulk pack .22 (39 grain Federal bulk pack) has a muzzle velocity of 1,280 FPS
a 7.62X54R cartridge with a 180 grain bullet has a muzzle velocity of 2,493 FPS and the cartridge pressure when firing is 48,504 PSI

a high velocity .22LR is a relatively quiet cartridge, the 7.62X54R is exceptionally loud and has a prodigious muzzle blast

a .22 *can* be shot in the backyard (as long as you have an appropriate backstop), if you use CB Longs (primer-only rounds, no gunpowder at all) the .22 is no louder than a pellet rifle, a M-44 can only be shot in the backyard if you live out in the countryside and have few neighbors, it's far safer to shoot a M-44 at an actual rifle range

a .22LR has practically no recoil, a M-44 has a rather stout recoil, combine that with a loud report, and a steel buttplate on the back of the stock, the M44 can be a punishing rifle to shoot

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