Is it normal for Gold Dot ammo to be this dirty?


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eJack
July 25, 2009, 01:02 AM
I just bought Gold Dot ammo for the first time. I bought two boxes of 200gr +P .45 ammo in the 50 round LE boxes from www.ammotogo.com. When they arrived, the boxes looked a bit dingy, but I chalked that up to shipping wear. But when I opened the ammo and inspected it, I noticed a number of things.

1 - There was some sort of debris in the hallow points. Almost looked like saw dust, but it was plastered in. Some of it came out by blowing it with a dust can. I had to scrape some of it with the straw attachment to loosen it.
2 - The bullets themselves were filthy. There was a black residue on them that I was able to wipe off with a microfiber cloth.
3 - The back of most of the cases look slightly concaved inward.

Up until now, I have only bought WWB, PMC and magtech in 9mm. I have never seen ammo so dingy looking. Not sure what to think. Is this normal?

The link is to a set of pictures I took.

DirtyGoldDotAmmo (http://picasaweb.google.com/inbox485/DirtyGoldDotAmmo?feat=directlink)

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GRIZ22
July 25, 2009, 01:33 AM
I've seen thousands of boxes of Gold Dot (9mm and 40) and have never seen any dirty at all. Guess as to where this happened, at the factory, in transit, at ammotogo?

Mt Shooter
July 25, 2009, 01:52 AM
THESE ROUNDS ARE NOT SAFE TO SHOOT!

pm me as to where to send them for immediate disposal! I will safely deposit the into the closest range berm I can find! Thank god you alerted me in time.


Actually looks like normal tarnishing for the nickle on the cases and the stuff in the point looks like some of the box rubbing off during shipping. But thats my call on it as stated above send it to me I'll shoot it.

eJack
July 25, 2009, 02:13 AM
My first gut feeling was somebody's basement hand loads. I was hoping to see if anybody else had experience with A2G. I came across a number of good recommendations for A2G, so I didn't want to make any accusations or assumptions.

I've gone through a few thousand rounds of 9mm from a few different brands. Never seen crud like these. The nickle wasn't tarnished, it was nice and shinny. The bullets themselves however looked dirty. Like loose BP rubbed on them type dirty. The stuff in the HPs wasn't from the carrier trays. It was yellow, and the trays weren't scratched. After I cleaned them up, they look fine, and no I won't be sending them anywhere for disposal. :)

I just found it odd for a premium brand to be so filthy. :barf:

dsffsll
July 25, 2009, 04:06 AM
Every box of Speer Gold Dot ammo I've ever bought has had this junk in the hollow points.

It only occurs for me when buying .45 long colt and .45 acp ammo.

I've gone through quite a few boxes and every single one of them has that stuff in the hollow points.

I ordered all mine from midwayusa.

missed again
July 25, 2009, 10:46 AM
I buy all my ammo from 3 Internet sites. Ammotogo, Natchez Shooters Supply and Midway USA. No problems with any of them.

Uncle Mike
July 25, 2009, 11:02 AM
Hehehehehe... you have been snookered... the compound in the hollow point of the bullets is tumbling media more than likely.

It is a common practice with 'some' second hand ammo distributors to purchase gross lots of 'used' ammo, not reloads but maybe police turn-ins and clean them up, if you will, and then sell them.

I am NOT saying this is what you have here, but we get a customer every now and again that drags a box of ammo in that looks like what you have... after calls to ammo manufacturers this is what has been told to us.

Also, it does not take a lot of common sense to see the media and concave bases... pull a bullet and I bet you see a different color jacket from the case mouth on down.

These may have been.... tumbled.

They are probably not defective, but if your uncomfortable with them... send them back, if you even can.

Every box of Speer Gold Dot ammo I've ever bought has had this junk in the hollow points.

As I stand here opening several 'new' boxes of Speer GD 45acp... I see NO media or dust of any kind in the hollow point cavities. FWIW

The stuff in the HPs wasn't from the carrier trays. It was yellow

Corn cob media.......

Crow1108
July 25, 2009, 11:11 AM
I bought two boxes of 9mm 124 grain +p gold dots from them, and yeah, pretty much the same thing except for the bullets being dirty. The box was a little crumpled around the edges. Same with the 230 grain .45 HST's I bought from them.

buck460XVR
July 25, 2009, 12:37 PM
I use quite a few Gold Dot bullets when I reload, right out of the box, they are some of the cleanest and shiniest bullets I use. Altho I have found tumbling media in the HPs of XTPs, I have never found it in the tips of GDs. Most big name ammo makers tumble their ammo before packaging to make it as clean and as pretty as possible to the potential buyer. I suspect the ammo you got had been stored in conditions that led to the contamination you speak and thus why it was resold to the discounter. The conditions of the boxes and the junk within the boxes makes this obvious. I bet if you tumbled it again it would be pretty as a picture and put it in the same condition it originally left the factory. Unless there is obvious corrosion on the cases, it should be safe to shoot.

TX1911fan
July 25, 2009, 12:43 PM
I highly doubt that Ammo to Go bought used ammo and packaged it as new. Besides being unsafe, it would be illegal. And, where did they get all those original boxes? I doubt Speer hands out empty boxes. I think some of the other scenarios mentioned are more likely.

Uncle Mike
July 25, 2009, 09:19 PM
I highly doubt that Ammo to Go bought used ammo and packaged it as new. Besides being unsafe, it would be illegal. And, where did they get all those original boxes? I doubt Speer hands out empty boxes. I think some of the other scenarios mentioned are more likely.

It's not exactly like that TX... the ammo is not 'used', as being loaded and unloaded into magazines. Many police agencies purchase large quantities of ammo and store it for future use, after the ammo is of a certain age they(the police department) will often sell this ammo to market distributors which then will re-sell it to dealers and onto the public.

The boxes are often tattered from being stored and moved around the storage facility, shipping and so on.

It is completely legal for this to happen, we have purchased ammo directly from law enforcement agencies when it was feasible to do so, now we cannot do this because of our insurance policies but can purchase re-sell ammo from distributors.

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