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TheeBadOne
October 24, 2003, 06:26 PM
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-crime/2003/oct/24/515778288.html

Today: October 24, 2003 at 11:26:22 PDT

Carjacking spree ends in shootout, suicide

By Dan Kulin
and Jace Radke

LAS VEGAS SUN

A man killed himself this morning after stealing several cars, including two police vehicles, getting into a shootout with Metro Police officers and killing a police dog, officials said.

The series of five carjackings in northwest Las Vegas started just after midnight and police had major roads closed this morning for the investigation, causing a rush-hour traffic jam.

The crime spree ended when the man apparently shot himself in the head while driving a stolen patrol SUV along U.S. 95, Metro Lt. Tom Monahan said.

It all began with the carjacking of a sedan in the 1500 block of West Bonanza Road, near Martin Luther King Boulevard, Lt. Les Lane, a Metro watch commander, said. Two suspects stole the car by force and drove off.

About an hour later, he said, the car crashed at the Suncoast. The two suspects got out of the wrecked car and one fled on foot, Monahan said.

The other robbed a car from an elderly couple, then saw a Toyota Rav4, abandoned the stolen car and carjacked the sport-utility vehicle, Monahan said.

In the area of Lake Mead Boulevard and Buffalo Drive the lone carjacker attracted the attention of a Paiute tribal police officer, who was off duty but in uniform and in his patrol car, probably on his way home, Monahan said.

The officer approached the suspect, who pulled a gun on him, took the officer's weapon and stole the tribal police car. He ordered a female passenger out and drove off.

The woman flagged down two Metro K-9 officers who were finishing a dinner break nearby. They saw the tribal patrol car heading east on Lake Mead Boulevard and gave chase, Monahan said.

Between Buffalo Drive and Tenaya Way, the man bailed out of the stolen patrol car, which continued moving several hundred yards before it crashed to a stop, Monahan said. The man started firing at the K-9 officers with a gun in each hand, Monahan said.

One officer returned fire and drove around to get into a better position, Monahan said. The other stopped and took cover behind his patrol car, an Expedition sport-utility vehicle, he said.

When the second officer tried to get back into his SUV to move, the gunman shot out his driver's side window, Monahan said. The officer took cover again, and the gunman jumped into the patrol SUV and took off, he said.

It's only the second time in his 19-year career Monahan could remember a patrol car being stolen.

"We're trained to get out of our cars," Monahan said. "The last thing you worry about when you're taking fire is whether the car is still running."

At some point in the stolen K-9 vehicle, the man shot the police dog, who was muzzled, to death, Monahan said. He drove the SUV onto U.S. 95.

Other officers joined the chase on the freeway.

"The evidence suggests that the suspect shot himself once in the head while driving at freeway speed," Monahan said. The SUV continued about half a mile along the freeway, then crashed into the concrete barrier, he said.

The gunman, who had not been identified this morning, was pronounced dead at the scene, Monahan said.

Monahan said the gunman appeared to have died of a gunshot wound in the head and did not appear to have other wounds, but an autopsy, to be conducted Saturday, would determine the official cause of death. Toxicology tests also will be done, Monahan said.

No one other than the gunman and police dog was harmed, Monahan said.

Monahan said it was lucky that the series of chases occurred late at night.

"Were this to happen at 2 in the afternoon instead of 2 in the morning, we probably would have had bodies all over Lake Mead," Monahan said.

The multiple police scenes caused Lake Mead Boulevard from Buffalo to Tenaya to be closed during the rush hour, as well as part of U.S. 95. The freeway was opened about 8 a.m. Lake Mead reopened about 10:15 a.m.

About 8:30 a.m., police started letting people walk across the streets to the many shops and businesses in the area near the shooting.

"I'm a little surprised that this happened in this neighborhood, but it doesn't sound like it started here. I guess these things can end up anywhere," said Dina Anderson, a nail technician at Destination Garden Spa, 7331 W. Lake Mead Blvd.

At nearby Cimarron-Memorial High School, Principal Janice Rowland said as a precaution the school locked the gates leading to the parking lot during first period.

"We did that so that we could make sure we knew who was coming in and out of campus," Rowland said. "Other than that, it's been business as usual for us, with the exception of a lot of tardies this morning."

Stacey Fishberg, a massage therapist who works with Anderson, worried about how the street closures would affect the business.

"We're going to be losing hundreds of dollars today. Fridays are our big days and make our week for us," she said.

But the two spa employees said the thing that most upset them was the news that the police dog had been killed.
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Sounds like one less really bad dude out there. Glad he didn't hurt anyone else. Goes to show what can happen if caught in condition white. :eek:

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Bill Hook
October 24, 2003, 06:37 PM
I like how this thread is titled that a dog was "murdered" when this happened to be a police dog and not a family pet.

Sounds like some bias is showing, to use a catchphrase.

As to the article, it is despicable when any animal is killed senselessly.

Standing Wolf
October 24, 2003, 09:15 PM
A man killed himself this morning after stealing several cars, including two police vehicles, getting into a shootout with Metro Police officers and killing a police dog...

At least he managed to do one thing right.

AUTIGER04
October 24, 2003, 10:07 PM
Our Local Police dog "Narco" was also "Murdered" in the line of duty. 4 Meth suspects were arrested and the shooter got 28 yrs and so many months in the Federal Prison System. According to the local Sheriff he will spend 85% of his prison sentence. Two others also got Stif prison Sentences in the Federal Prison system. 10-18 yrs. Im not sure about the other guy. In my neck of the woods they take this very seriously.;)

http://www.valleytimes-news.com

Might have to search the archives.

JohnKSa
October 24, 2003, 10:50 PM
Not murdered, killed.

Murder is a crime against a human being.

Sergeant Bob
October 25, 2003, 02:10 AM
I like how this thread is titled that a dog was "murdered" when this happened to be a police dog and not a family pet.
Yes, interesting indeed. As if someone was trying to elicit a certain type of reply in response to previous threads about "civilians" dogs being shot by police officers.

Orthonym
October 25, 2003, 06:54 PM
One right thing done: A Schweinhund or "pigdog" was killed. Hope the critter didn't suffer too much.

As one may guess, this subject is one of my hot buttons. I loathe, abhor, and abominate the very idea of training a dog to injure, or even interfere with, a human being in any way. I've always despised Bill Sherman as an evil man and a war criminal, but his men got one thing right when they were raping through Georgia:They shot all the human-chasing dogs they saw. (Even in one case a poodle, "because it might grow up to be a bloodhound")

Bird dogs are cool, shepherd dogs and terriers are sometimes useful, but Rottweilers, German Police Dogs (the REAL name for "German Shepherds")
and most especially Doberman Pinschers would, if I were king, all be exterminated. ( Doberman was a tax collector who bred his eponymous neurotic ugly monsters for one and only one purpose; to terrorize humans)

Let's hear a cheer for pit bulls! If bred true, they'd rather die than make a mark on a human, but would (and could) bite the head from any of the Teutonic pigdog breeds.

MountainPeak
October 25, 2003, 07:35 PM
Orthonym, dog gone. What a post!

capt. Nemo
October 25, 2003, 07:36 PM
Damned glad you AREN'T King...or Queen. Court jester might be appropriate.

p35
October 25, 2003, 07:58 PM
Uh, like the GSD who's sleeping under my chair right now, having worn himself out roughhousing with my two small boys? You'd break their hearts. Good thing you aren't in charge.

Shane
October 25, 2003, 08:21 PM
shepherd dogs and terriers are sometimes useful, but Rottweilers, German Police Dogs (the REAL name for "German Shepherds")
and most especially Doberman Pinschers would, if I were king, all be exterminated.

Judging a whole breed based on bad individuals is misleading, IMO.

Out of the dozen or so Rottweilers I've known or worked with, only 2 had questionable temperments. IMO, how they are bred (breeding two dogs that are not mentally stable is a recipe for disaster for example) and raised (beating or mistreated a "good dog" can make it bad) is more important than the breed.

Heck, I know several Shizt-STu (those small Japanese Rat dogs) that will bite the hand that feeds it. Does that mean its a bad breed?

Just IMO, YMMV.

J Miller
October 25, 2003, 09:06 PM
k9 murdered
Sorry you can't murder a dog. Kill it, yes. Murder it no. Even a police K-9 is just a dog.
I'm offended and angered when anything like this is said. Especially since all things LEO have been placed in a higher status quo than regular civilian citizens.
There is too much abuse of power by govt agents of all kinds, and giving the police K-9 human status is one of the biggest abuses I can think of.

The worst crime anyone should be convicted of if they kill a police dog, is destruction of city property.



Orthonym, I agree with you 100% when you say; "I loathe, abhor, and abominate the very idea of training a dog to injure, or even interfere with, a human being in any way."
However I can't agree with exterminating all dogs of perticular breeds. Just the ones trained as above.

J

Orthonym
October 26, 2003, 02:10 AM
As a matter of fact, a Dobie bitch, Cricket by name, was responsible for getting me the best job I ever had. Her human had doubts about hiring me until she got up on my lap and started licking my face.


Edit: I still reserve the right to make a distinction between the the general and the particular in any or all cases.

agricola
October 26, 2003, 03:59 AM
I regard the Police dogs by viewing that criminals both hate and fear them -so they must be doing something right, and if I had a pound for the amount of times the dog has found someone we all thought was long gone then one would be able to have a decent night out on the strength of it.

Over here we have German Shepherds and a few Malinois doing general dog work, as well as some other dogs used for detecting explosives, drugs and other stuff (they can even smell out money).

Hopefully the dead man will ATM being chased around hell by a frenzied pack of satans' finest eager to avenge their mortal brother.

c_yeager
October 26, 2003, 04:42 AM
Any creature that willingly puts itself on the lines to make the world a better place is A-OK in my book. be that human or animal makes little difference for me. They are doing a job that i woulndt do and for that i thank them and mourn their loss.

12-34hom
October 26, 2003, 05:56 AM
I get a warm and fuzzy feeling when i get a carload of dopers stopped = all pro claiming that "there ain't no drugs in this car officer"

Then the sheriffs department shows up with with thier drug sniffing cannine = then they all start filling thier pants .... ;)

These are the real "Schweinhund". Make no mistake about it.

12-34hom.

igor
October 26, 2003, 06:23 AM
Orthonym, I heartily disagree. A trained protection dog is no more than a tool, subject to its human handler's will, every bit as your firearm. And a darn effective one when it comes to that.

What is your malfunction? Scared by a mean East-German Schweinehund when you were little? :cuss: :barf: :scrutiny:

444
October 26, 2003, 07:43 AM
"Bird dogs are cool, shepherd dogs and terriers are sometimes useful, but Rottweilers, German Police Dogs (the REAL name for "German Shepherds")
and most especially Doberman Pinschers would, if I were king, all be exterminated."

Explain to me if you will how this thought process differs from that of Himmler ?

What an obnoxious, ignorant, and offensive statement. Let me tell you what would happen if I was king; you would be playing with your computer somewhere else.

Shane
October 26, 2003, 12:18 PM
Any creature that willingly puts itself on the lines to make the world a better place is A-OK in my book. be that human or animal makes little difference for me. They are doing a job that i woulndt do and for that i thank them and mourn their loss.

Well said, well said. I agree completely.

Kaxter
October 26, 2003, 12:55 PM
I think that killing a dog should be much more punishable than just destruction of property. Then again, I tend to like animals MORE than I like people.

Jeeper
October 26, 2003, 02:33 PM
I think that killing a dog should be much more punishable than just destruction of property. Then again, I tend to like animals MORE than I like people.

I couldnt agree with you more. I thank it is a real sham that someone could kill your dog and only owe you a few hundred bucks in most cases. I look at it the same way as an irreplacible piece of property. You wouldnt let me burn every picture you have of your dead parents and only give you $100 would ya? Even if you consider them property they are definately irreplacible.

Shane
October 26, 2003, 03:21 PM
I couldnt agree with you more. I thank it is a real sham that someone could kill your dog and only owe you a few hundred bucks in most cases. I look at it the same way as an irreplacible piece of property. You wouldnt let me burn every picture you have of your dead parents and only give you $100 would ya? Even if you consider them property they are definately irreplacible.

I also agree. Dogs especially become part of the family (unlike cats which mostly come and go as they please). A monetary settlement against someone that kills a family dog is an insult, IMO.

WheelMan
October 26, 2003, 03:53 PM
You know Orhonym.. that sounds an awful lot like...


As one may guess, this subject is one of my hot buttons. I loathe, abhor, and abominate the very idea of building a gun to injure, or even interfere with, a human being in any way. I've always despised John Browning as an evil man and a war criminal....

Single Shot .22s are cool, Over and Under shotguns are sometimes useful, but handguns, Evil Assault Rifles (the REAL name for "AR15s")
and most especially Short Barreled Shotguns would, if I were king, all be Destroyed.


Somebody had to say it :)

c_yeager
October 27, 2003, 03:04 AM
Hating things simply because they scare you or serve no practical use is a REALLY dangerous precident.

Kobun
October 27, 2003, 06:47 AM
You beat me to it WheelMan. :)

Bread knifes are good. Folding knifes are baaaad. :rolleyes:

Orthonym
October 27, 2003, 01:22 PM
Guess I'm just not a dog person. I prefer cats; they don't follow orders worth a Divine Condemnation. My cat comes when I call him: Not because he thinks it's his duty, but because he likes me. As I mentioned in my second post above, most dogs seem to like me ok, but are a little too sociable for my tastes. ( As are most humans - I've been known to compare some humans I disliked to Cocker Spaniels)

Of course I'm not angry at the poor dogs! It's the bad humans who bred that bad behavior into some of them. I recall some silly woman getting upset with me one time because I was playing with her D. Pinscher pup and the critter was being friendly and cheerful with me. I think she WANTED it to be "shy-sharp" or passive-aggressive, or what-you-call-it.

Oh, to make this gun-related: Where I wrote "bird dogs" above, please substitute "gun dogs.":)

Andrew Rothman
October 27, 2003, 02:15 PM
I am quite happy with the title of the thread.

In journalism school, I learned that a headline should tell the most significant aspect of the story.

In this case, a faithful public servant was killed by a bad guy. That's the lead.

That this useless piece of human crud offed himself is worth little more than a footnote indicating that he saved the state the expense of trying, convicting and incarcerating him..

In some states, it IS legally murder to kill a police dog. In NV it is not, but it is a class C felony.

NRS 574.105 Mistreatment of police animal and interference with duties of police animal or handler unlawful; penalties; exception.

1. A person shall not willfully and maliciously...Torture, mutilate, injure, poison, disable or kill a police animal.

2. A person who violates...is guilty of(,) If the police animal is totally disabled or killed, a category C felony and shall be punished as provided in NRS 193.130.

http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-574.html#NRS574Sec105

(c) A category C felony is a felony for which a court shall sentence a convicted person to imprisonment in the state prison for a minimum term of not less than 1 year and a maximum term of not more than 5 years. In addition to any other penalty, the court may impose a fine of not more than $10,000, unless a greater fine is authorized or required by statute.

http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-193.html#NRS193Sec130

KMKeller
October 27, 2003, 02:26 PM
The same penalty should apply when police kill citizen's pets.

Bill Hook
October 27, 2003, 02:41 PM
The same penalty should apply when police kill citizen's pets.

Exactly.

Orthonym
October 27, 2003, 03:04 PM
I concur wholeheartedly! I estimate my cat, walnut-sized brain and all, more highly than I do the vast majority of what passes for human in this town.



Edit: The kitty's getting old and slowing down a bit; his teeth are going, too. Not so many rat corpses in front of the door when I go out in the morning as there used to be. Can someone here help me teach the silly critter to shoot? (has to be gun-related, dontcha know):p

AUTIGER04
October 27, 2003, 03:32 PM
Remember Its your Tax money down the drain when someone kills a Police K9.:rolleyes:

Bill Hook
October 27, 2003, 04:51 PM
Remember Its your Tax money down the drain when someone kills a Police K9.

And it's directly my money, and the emotional cost, should a cop blast my dog for some ill-conceived reason.

Moreover, a lot of these dogs are purchased w/o clear need (includes sniffers), so when, exactly, did my tax dollars start to go down the drain?

Orthonym
October 27, 2003, 04:53 PM
Shouldn't this thread be in "Legal and Political"? I really had to stretch to make my posts gun-related.

Orthonym
October 27, 2003, 05:10 PM
I believe you asked how my thinking differed from that of Himmler. I'll tell you.

Himmler started out as a farmer, stockbreeder, and (ugh!) schoolteacher. Like most farmers and stockbreeders, he encouraged the reproduction of critters with desirable characteristics, and culled the other ones, either by sterilization or slaughter.

Unlike ol' Hank, I think that humans are different from other animals, and we shouldn't apply cold-blooded stock-breeding methods to each other.

I vehemently urge that we notice that ALL the breeds of dogs we now have, as well as our other domestic animals, came to exist because our ancestors bred (and "culled") them the way the Reichsfuehrer and his buddies wanted to breed humans.

444
October 27, 2003, 05:17 PM
So then you realize that your logic is the same.
You just consider animals to be a lower life form than humans.
With some animals lower than others.

Similar to the way Himmler viewed humans.
And others that we would consider to be humans that Himmler considered to be sub-humans.
With of course the races/breeds not meeting his/your requirements or agenda being exterminated.

Orthonym
October 27, 2003, 05:29 PM
I have no qualms about stomping a roach, and I get real joy from killing a mosquito. I'm partial to mammals, though I understand that some of them use their big brains to make unnecessary trouble.:p

auschip
October 27, 2003, 05:45 PM
And it's directly my money, and the emotional cost, should a cop blast my dog for some ill-conceived reason.

And you know, police officers carry a quota on loving pets killed a month. If they don't blast 3 dogs, 2 cats, 9 goldfish, and either 1 parakeet or 2 hampsters a month they go on double secret probation.

I'm not saying that officers don't make mistakes, but I don't believe they are actively out trying to kill pets.

Bill Hook
October 27, 2003, 06:24 PM
I'm not saying that officers don't make mistakes, but I don't believe they are actively out trying to kill pets.

Nope, but there are some morons in the profession who get their jollies doing stuff like this and the attempts to sweep it under the rug or minimize the effect are really hard to fathom. They should be collecting unemployment, lest they push the limits elsewhere in performance of their duties. Killing an animal that is weaker than you is likely symptomatic of a need to exert authority.

Orthonym
October 27, 2003, 07:07 PM
I.e., "Every German a friend of animals". (Sorry if I got genders and cases wrong, it's been a while.)

Has anyone besides myself noticed that the people who are kindest to animals are the nastiest to humans, and vice versa?

I read an account (sorry, can't remember exactly where) of something that happened in one of the Nazi death camps: One of the guards had a, you guessed it, German Shepherd (Alsatian?) which he'd trained to be very mean, nasty and OBEDIENT.



He'd walk his dog up to some poor Jew, Gypsy, Russki, Polack, smartass, whatever, and say to the dog," Mann! Dieser Hund Arbeitet nicht!" ("Man, this dog isn't working!" He addressed the dog as a human and referred to the human as a dog.) Then he'd sic the dog on the human who, if he survived the immediate attack, was automatically, immediately doomed on account of being horribly messed up and no good for working. THAT'S what I meant about good dogs being bred for bad purposes by bad humans.


So: I believe some forms of life are higher than others.

I believe some INDIVIDUALS are better than others.

I believe some lower life forms are morally BETTER (individually, of course)
than some of us hoity-toity critters. (I hope I'm never in the position of deciding between taking the life of a good dog and that of a bad human)

Higher vs. Lower and Better vs. Worse are different categories.

Shane
October 27, 2003, 10:31 PM
I have no qualms about stomping a roach, and I get real joy from killing a mosquito. I'm partial to mammals, though I understand that some of them use their big brains to make unnecessary trouble.

Insects that irritate me (flys, mosquitos, wasps, especially) are likely to be dead if they get in my way. Its hard to feel compassion over an insect....yes, I KNOW they each occupy a niche in the environment and are useful, but that doesn't mean I have to like them. ;)

As far as animals that have detectable individual personalities and are "pet animals", I'm a dog person first. Always have had dogs, always will. Every dog I've had (including a 95 lb Rottweiler I owned a few years ago--cancer ended her life) has shown unconditional love for me, and most people I bring over. None of MY dogs have been aggressive toward people that visit.

I also like birds to some degree.....have had a few pet parrots before and they are social creatures like dogs (with the one exception being that a lot of parrots prefer one person, most dogs can get along with most people).

Housecats....never understood them. When I try to pet cats that some friends have, they will be nice for a few minutes and then suddenly flip over and start biting and scratching my hand. Its unnerving to be attacked for simply petting an animal--that is suppose to be "domesticated". While there are some exceptions, I'd say that 90% of cats I've known act as if they are still wild animals (and not domesticated). Thank goodness housecats are only 10 lbs or so, if they were the size of a medium dog I'd predict there would be a LOT of severe injuries on people.

Andrew Rothman
October 27, 2003, 11:48 PM
there are some morons in the profession who get their jollies doing stuff like this

Really? Where?

Orthonym
October 28, 2003, 12:06 AM
Sounds like you're trying to get too familiar, too soon, for too long a time with the kittys. Think of them as guys you meet in a redneck bar: Don't let them get to the point of saying, "Hey, you lookin at me?"

Bill Hook
October 28, 2003, 12:37 AM
Really? Where?

Cookeville, TN.

cordex
October 28, 2003, 12:54 AM
Liking/disliking certain breeds of dog does not a Nazi make.

Slaughtering a whole breed doesn't strike me as terribly thoughtful, though.

Agricola,
I regard the Police dogs by viewing that criminals both hate and fear them -so they must be doing something right
Oh? Much like weapons carried by potential victims? :)

c_yeager,
Any creature that willingly puts itself on the lines to make the world a better place is A-OK in my book.
Will has nothing to do with the actions of police dogs. They are trained to do what they do on command without thought. They have no choice.
What happens to a police dog who doesn't do his job, hmmm?

444
October 28, 2003, 12:57 AM
"They are trained to do what they do on command without thought. They have no choice."

BS
This shows a total lack of knowlege of dogs or dog training.

TheeBadOne
October 28, 2003, 12:59 AM
origionally posted by: cordex

What happens to a police dog who doesn't do his job, hmmm?
Since you asked, they get retired. That means they are given to a comfy home. My Mother-In-Law aquired a large white German Shepard who didn't make the grade as a Police K9. The reason he didn't make it is he was not aggressive enough (in fact, not at all, afraid of his own shadow). He has, however, made an excellent house dog.

cordex
October 28, 2003, 01:27 AM
BS
This shows a total lack of knowlege of dogs or dog training.
Oh?
I admit, I'm not the most knowledgable in this area. But obviously you can enlighten me.
So ...
Dogs get to choose to become police dogs?
They can decide when they want to quit?
They can refuse an action they feel is immoral (and have a basic sense of our sociological morals)?
Who decides the targets of a police dog?

TheeBadOne
October 28, 2003, 01:38 AM
Oh?
I admit, I'm not the most knowledgable in this area. But obviously you can enlighten me.
So ...
Dogs get to choose to become field dogs?
They can decide when they want to quit?
They can refuse a retrieve they feel is immoral (and have a basic sense of our sociological morals)?
Who decides the targets of a field dog?


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BluesBear
October 28, 2003, 03:27 AM
I loathe, abhor, and abominate the very idea of training a dog to injure, or even interfere with, a human being in any way.

Well I guess there's no watchdog at your house. :scrutiny:

But that's OK since your sweet kitties will surely prevent any rascals from retreating into the night with any of your belongings.


I am glad you got a good job because a dog licked your face. However, I am sure, to the dog it was just another in a long line of as......... naw.... I won't sink down your your level no matter how many laughs the rest of this remark would get.:neener:

Andrew Rothman
October 28, 2003, 01:10 PM
there are some morons in the profession who get their jollies doing stuff like this

Really? Where?

Cookeville, TN.

(Oh, the family bulldog story.)

Give me a break. You can argue that an officer used poor judgement or exhibited ignorance, but exactly how do you conclude that the officer shot the dog for fun?

Bill Hook
October 28, 2003, 01:32 PM
Give me a break. You can argue that an officer used poor judgement or exhibited ignorance, but exactly how do you conclude that the officer shot the dog for fun?

That the family said he had a smirk on his face (biased, yes) and (more importantly) that he'd done this 2 times before. Sounds like he enjoys it, since the majority of officers don't even kill a dog once, let alone 3 times.

TheeBadOne
October 28, 2003, 01:42 PM
So by that logic if an Officer has been involved in other shootings and has shot more than one person that means that Cop enjoys shooting/killing people for fun... :confused:

Bill Hook
October 28, 2003, 01:49 PM
It might. Time for a psych evaluation.

Daniel T
October 28, 2003, 01:53 PM
I don't know TBO, would it if they cut off people's fingers too?

Bill Hook
October 28, 2003, 01:58 PM
Oh, didn't the officer in question wok for Nashville first, where he shot the other dogs? Seems that there is a reason he doesn't work there anymore, which may not be public record.

My scenario: Sadistic, psychologically unstable cop get jollies shooting dogs, behind cloak of authority. His dept, after the second time, finds, after review, that they've hired a sociopath and terminate, but w/o disclosure. sociopath gets hired at tiny town w/ no resources to check the guy out and he gets more leeway to abuse his authority.

cordex
October 28, 2003, 04:37 PM
TBO,
I don't think you got the point of my post.
Field dog, police dog ... the occupation they desire is immaterial to us. Humans bend them to act however we like. They do not make the choice (unless they simply lack the ability or cannot be forced to act in a given manner).

All I was saying is that police dogs don't really make a concious decision to become police dogs. Hence, I think that the original comment about critters who willingly work to make the world a better place being "A-OK" is silly.

Justin
October 28, 2003, 04:46 PM
More heat than light.

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