Help me think of compact 9mm's to consider (with preferences)


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southriseagain
July 25, 2009, 10:38 PM
recently i caught myself looking at 9mm's (the way ammo costs are going)
and since 9mm's feel rather tame to me i started thinking that i really could use/am in need of a "pocket" compact.

i'm looking for something in the walther ppk/sig p232 size category, only i want it to shoot 9mm.

what are my options?

my only preferences are a bit old fashion:

i dont care much for polymer
i dont care much for striker fired
DA/SA preferred
must be good looking

i think it goes with out saying at this point but glocks need not apply

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Avenger29
July 25, 2009, 10:46 PM
I don't know how small they go, but Kahr makes a 9mm with a metal frame. DA. Never seen one in person, as the shops around here only carry the poly ones.

Like you, I am not a fan of polymer. Had a Glock. sold it out of frustration. Going back to steel and alloy frame revolvers and autos. They just "feel right"

Lonestar49
July 25, 2009, 10:52 PM
...

SA EMP SAO 9mm 1911 9+1

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc306/Lonestar49/emp6.jpg


Ls

usp9
July 25, 2009, 11:03 PM
Get a 9mm Rohrbaugh.
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i24/raydbonz/guns/Bose2026.jpg
borrowed pic

southriseagain
July 25, 2009, 11:22 PM
thats a bit too small...

if memory serves me right a ppk is about 6.2"L 4.2"H and a p232 is about 6.5"L 4.5"H
both of which feel really good to me, so thats the size range i'd like to stay within if possible (length between 6 and about 6.7 height between 4 and 4.7 ballpark).. if only the 232 were a 9mm.

that there rohrbaugh is wayyyy small

colt1903
July 25, 2009, 11:36 PM
The Springfield EMP is on class act, but if you are not partial to single action then try:

Kahr MK9
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll17/colt1903/Kahr%20MK9/032.jpg

SIG P239
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll17/colt1903/002-1.jpg

Smith & Wesson CS9
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll17/colt1903/0112.jpg

The CS9's Big Brother Smith & Wesson 3953
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll17/colt1903/019-2.jpg

Para Ordnance PDA (with their LDA double action trigger)
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll17/colt1903/Para%20PDA/004-8.jpg

benderx4
July 25, 2009, 11:44 PM
The venerable HK P7 - best 9mm EVER made! IMHO

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2672/3705331320_27c8d9a703.jpg?v=0

usp9
July 26, 2009, 12:04 AM
Kahr K9
6.0" length
4.5" height

TheWarhammer
July 26, 2009, 12:14 AM
+1 for the Kahr K9 or MK9! I have a K40 and it's an awesome gun. 13 years of stone axe reliability!

bigfatdave
July 26, 2009, 12:14 AM
I'm very happy with my PPS (Walther)
Walther also makes the P99 in a compact size
MrsBFD likes her Springfield Armory XD9sc, and it is about the same dimensions as the PPS, except thicker. It also has a lot more round capacity, with the doublestack mag
Kahr makes a nice small 9mm in metal and poly frames, I think
SA makes the EMP, pricey but reported to be very nice
HK P7, if you can find one and a few mags
Rohrbaugh is expensive and tiny
Boberg will someday make a tiny high performance 9mm, maybe
Kel-Tec makes small light 9mm pistols, some love them and some hate them
Taurus makes a 9mm the same size (height/length) as our XD and PPS, but a bit thicker

What you need to do is get to a rental range and find out what's happy in your hand. Also, "pocket-sized" means different things for different people, for me, that XD just barely fits, I went with the PPS for IWB because it is so slim, but it fits a pocket nicely. For you, pocket size, body shape, and hand size might mean only the Rohrbaugh could fit in there and have a decent draw time.

southriseagain
July 26, 2009, 12:15 AM
that kahr is a bit square for my taste, and i dont think that trigger would agree with me.

look how sexy these are...
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r89/PlayboyPenguin/SIGvsPPK.jpg
no one makes a 9 like one of these?

maybe i'm just picky but:
sig 239 too big and balanced funny
kahr too glock-like
smith cs9 never seen one in real life
p7 big $$ and no mags
para/springfield a compact 1911 9mm is sacrilege
rohrbaugh small enough to belong on a keychain

Geneseo1911
July 26, 2009, 12:16 AM
CZ75 PCR or P-01?

4.5"x6.5"

1)All metal
2)hammer
3)DA/SA
4)beautiful (of course, beauty IS in the eye of the beholder)

3" barrel, still way more accurate than my fullsize SA 1911.

http://images2.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp535%3C4%3Enu%3D333%3A%3E%3A53%3E648%3EWSNRCG%3D3239%3B87559%3A%3A6nu0mrj

http://images2c.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp53647%3Enu%3D333%3A%3E%3A53%3E648%3EWSNRCG%3D3239%3B87559%3A%3A7nu0mrj

You might prefer the lines of the PCR:
http://www.fishkind.com/collection/images/cz75_13.jpg

Claude Clay
July 26, 2009, 12:35 AM
imagine this;

a post that all the answers were right

---some , the EMP are righter than others, but this ain't an animal farm.

juk
July 26, 2009, 02:07 AM
Cz 75d pcr.

30mag
July 26, 2009, 02:34 AM
+1 for the CZ line.

sidheshooter
July 26, 2009, 04:59 AM
This thread is of great interest to me, since I'm in much the same boat. I'd also like a single stack mag, in addition to southrise's requirements.

Please keep the ideas coming.

Quiet
July 26, 2009, 05:10 AM
Para-Ordnance Carry 9
http://www.para-usa.com/new/images/product_photo/CWX79Rphoto.gif

Para-Ordnance PDA 9
http://www.para-usa.com/new/images/product_photo/CSX89Rphoto.gif

r3volv3r
July 26, 2009, 12:24 PM
Anyone have an executive level connection at Sig?

tell them to make the 232 in 9mm. I'll take 2 and i'm pretty sure the OP would get one too, I've been searching for that gun (or similar) for a long time.

the walther p5c might be worth a look but has all the $$ and mag availability problems of the hk p7

rs999
July 26, 2009, 01:25 PM
232 in 9mm

Hmm, something like that would basically be an HK P7, but without all the decocking gadgetry. If someone makes one though, I would buy it.

Morrell
July 26, 2009, 01:26 PM
Can't believe no one has said the P64. Its a ppk clone that fires 9x18. Known to be a good, solid firearm. Its what I cc.

rs999
July 26, 2009, 01:30 PM
How about a CZ Rami 2075 in 9MM http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-2075-rami/

colt1903
July 26, 2009, 01:41 PM
I think you are looking for the "perfect" pistol which just does not exist. Maybe you should wait for the Boberg XR9
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll17/colt1903/BobergXR9.jpg

www.bobergengineering.com

southriseagain
July 26, 2009, 01:44 PM
tell them to make the 232 in 9mm. I'll take 2 and i'm pretty sure the OP would get one too, I've been searching for that gun (or similar) for a long time.

if anyone could swing that, you can put me down for 2 as well.

in the mean time i've been trying to convince myself to like the 380 as a primary.. i guess some european police forces think its plenty adequate (been working on my google skills).. perhaps i'll start a new thread to hear from 380 fans.

How about a CZ Rami 2075 in 9MM http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-2075-rami/

by the numbers that is an interesting one. although i havent seen one in person (or heard of it till now)... guess i'll be reading up on/trying to find one of these as well

usp9
July 26, 2009, 01:55 PM
The closest thing you may find is the Walther PP Super, which fires the 9X18 Ultra. Here's one with a regular PP.
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p94/laurent_013/WaltherPPs-2-web.jpg
borrowed pic

modifiedbrowning
July 26, 2009, 03:02 PM
Bersa Thunder 9 Ultracompact.
www.bersafirearmsusa.com
www.bersatalk.com

wojownik
July 26, 2009, 03:13 PM
Limiting it to 9x19:

Sig p239
CZ75 compact
CZ P-01
CZ RAMI

earlthegoat2
July 26, 2009, 03:14 PM
Definitely a HK P7. You can get them for around 625. Less than most of the others. How many mags do you want or need. Get 2 or three and it will be 725. Still less than most of the others.

armoredman
July 26, 2009, 03:38 PM
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/czbath.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/PCR3.jpg

colt1903
July 26, 2009, 04:22 PM
If you want to step down slightly to the 9X18mm there are plenty of police surplus CZ 82's that have recently hit the country:
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll17/colt1903/CZ%2082/0122.jpg

Morrell
July 26, 2009, 05:21 PM
Nice cz82. I like the new finish. The grips from Marschal grips?

colt1903
July 26, 2009, 05:29 PM
Indeed they are. Worth the wait.

Phydeaux642
July 26, 2009, 06:22 PM
I think you are looking for the impossible. At least it seems impossible to me since I've been looking for the same thing for a while now. I bought the CZ RAMI. It's a great gun but a little big for pocket carry. I thought about Kahrs but I still think they are overpriced. I still walk around with my S&W 642 in my pocket. It's not an semi-auto or 9mm but it sure is comfortable.

pogo2
July 26, 2009, 06:54 PM
I would second those who suggested the Sig P239 in 9mm. It meets your spec of no polymer and DA/SA with a hammer. It is also good looking:

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o25/pogo2/SigP23940.jpg

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o25/pogo2/SigP239Holster21.jpg

Morrell
July 26, 2009, 06:58 PM
/cough p64. /cough

bigfatdave
July 26, 2009, 06:59 PM
9mm and .380 are very different guns. Most .380 are direct blowback, which simplifies their design and production, while most 9mm pistols are delayed blowback, generally with a tilt barrel, which enhances reliability and durability, in addition to allowing them to handle the 9mm round.

9x17 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.380_ACP) (AKA .380 Auto, 9mm Browning, 9mm Corto, 9mm Court, 9mm Kratak, 9mm Kurz, 9mm Scurt, 9mm Short, 9x17mm) - mostly small pocket pistols. .380 is a decent round, there are some old venerable guns chambered in it and some interesting new designs. If I was going to carry a .380, I would pack a Kel-Tec. (but then, if I was going to CC a KT pocket pistol, I would buy a P32)
9x18 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9x18mm_Makarov) (AKA 9mm Makarov, 9mm Soviet, 9mm russian, 9mm Mak, 9mm PM) - slightly larger than the .380 - slightly larger surplus pistols in this caliber are quite inexpensive and concealable.
9x19 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9x19mm_Parabellum) AKA 9mm Luger, 9mm NATO, 9mm Parabellum, 9mm Para, or simply "the nine" - full power pistols, almost all with John Browning tilting barrel designs. 9mm pistols in smaller sizes are more expensive, more finicky, and often higher maintenance.
There are a plethora (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9mm_caliber) of other 9mm diameter rounds out there, but those are the most common.

If you really must have a small and slim 9mm pistol, the Kahr (http://www.kahr.com/), Kel-Tec (http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/products.htm), Walther (http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10002&catalogId=13152&categoryId=43326&top=Y), and Taurus (http://www.taurususa.com/) lines all have a model or two, but they are all marginal for pocket carry. Rent a few and see what you like, and then work your carry method around that. There is a reason that IWB carry is so popular, it is well concealed even with larger guns, the weight is on the belt and spread out more than in a pocket, and the draw isn't hampered by a pocket overfilled with gun, hand, holster, and the mouth of the pocket. The only true pocket 9x19 guns I can think of are the Rohrbaugh (http://www.rohrbaughfirearms.com/) (expensive!), and the Boberg (http://www.bobergengineering.com/xr9%20images.htm) (not on the market yet)

You may have to get over your dislike of polymer if you want a small pistol in a heavier caliber. Have you even shot any of these pistols you dismiss out of hand without real consideration?

Hawaiian
July 26, 2009, 07:57 PM
Alot of the gun mentioned here are pretty big for pocket carry. I pocket carry a Kahr PM9 and that is about as large as I would want to go.

jocko
July 26, 2009, 08:03 PM
have no problems pocket carrying my PM9.have done so for 3 years 24/7.

TheProf
July 26, 2009, 08:58 PM
Ge the Kahr PM9. Yes...it's a 1/2 polymer...but you said you needed a "pocket" gun....and being a pocket gun not only involves size but weight as well. "polymer" = less weight

Phydeaux642
July 26, 2009, 09:20 PM
have no problems pocket carrying my PM9.have done so for 3 years 24/7.

So, you sleep in your pants?:neener:

Jed Carter
August 25, 2009, 06:00 AM
Cz 75d pcr, its a compact not a subcompact, if you want to hit what you shoot at first shot, follow up shot... 14 follow up shots. Shoots better than many fullsize auto's and all subcompacts, imho. Fits a man's hand perfectly, imo.

Pilot
August 25, 2009, 08:21 AM
Cz 75d pcr, its a compact not a subcompact, if you want to hit what you shoot at first shot, follow up shot... 14 follow up shots. Shoots better than many fullsize auto's and all subcompacts, imho. Fits a man's hand perfectly, imo.


Couldn't have said it better myself. I carry a PCR daily.

Starcheck55
August 26, 2009, 04:52 AM
HK P7
CZ PCR or P01
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everything else

searcher451
August 26, 2009, 03:00 PM
+1 on the Walther PP Super.

A Walther P5C also would be an excellent choice, although they are a bit on the pricey side and not always easy to come by. Still, it's a tough gun to top at any price.

CJ
August 26, 2009, 03:11 PM
Well, got beat to it, but the two that sprang to mind on you criterion were the CZ RAMI and the Sig p239.

It's too bad your limiting the choices so much as you're ruling out the majority of options that fit your size criterion (e.g. Kahrs, Walther PPS, Kel-Tec PF9 or P11).

shameless
August 26, 2009, 04:25 PM
1911 9mm or Sig 239 9mm.

Both are great for CCW, and conceal easily.

m2steven
August 26, 2009, 05:22 PM
I'm going to recommen the Kahr PM9. It's MOSTLY metal and the trigger is the best anywhere around. You will not find a better shooting small pistol. It' s very easy to get used to and you'll be driving tacks within moments from your first shot. Don't let the square profile fool you. You'll love the feel of this pistol. It's substantial yet diminutive. Worth the money. Skip on any of the 'night sight' options and you've got a bargain.

oldhack62
August 26, 2009, 07:01 PM
Ditto the Bersa 9UC, also known as the Firestorm Mini 9mm:
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If you can find one -- popularity and scarcity have made it a 'tough get' -- you'll love it within a couple of trips to the firing line.

The Lone Haranguer
August 26, 2009, 09:24 PM
S&W 3913, CZ PCR. Both of these have metal (aluminum alloy) frames, are compact and have DA/SA operation.

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