Who likes 380 ACP? Anyone like it as a primary?


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southriseagain
July 26, 2009, 02:36 PM
i've been looking into sub-compact 9mm's lately with the intention of doing cheap plinking, and to fulfill my need for a compact/subcompact/pocket.

Looking at the little guns i found the 9's to be a bit clunky, off-balance and ugly compared to the similar 380 acp's. So at the moment i find myself unintentionally considering a 380. (still open to the right 9 but i have another thread about that.)

i'm not a cop so quite frankly i will never carry 2 guns simultaneously.. i've never even needed the first one so 2 would definitely be overkill.


Do any of you use a 380 as your primary/only gun?
Do people laugh at you if you point it at them? (joke)
what will a 9mm do that a 380 wont? (i guess about a couple hundred ftlbs and fps but... practically?)
Where did all the 380 ammo go? is it coming back?


anyhting else interesting?

thanks

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Runflat
July 26, 2009, 02:46 PM
I am looking at getting a .380 as a primary for summer carry because I just cannot conceal anything else well on my body. I would rather have a smaller caliber in a super compact carry gun then carry a larger caliber that I will not be able to control while shooting because of the small grip and recoil. IMHO it is more about shot placement then the size of the hole.

A well placed .22 will ruin someone's day as well as a poorly placed .44 magnum.

It's a comfort thing.

rcmodel
July 26, 2009, 02:50 PM
I own 25+ handguns, and carry a Kel-Tec P3AT more then any other gun I own.
It will do any job I envision getting myself into.

Witness all the new .380 Micro-guns coming out lately.

Of course there was the first, the Kel-Tec P3AT.
Then the Ruger copy of it, the LCP.

Also the NAA Guardian and Seacamp have been around for awhile.

And Walther PPK's and Bersa's, while not Micro-guns, have been very popular for many years.

But now, we are seeing Taurus, SIG, Kahr, and others also bring out Micro size .380's as well.

I think the scarcity of .380 ammo is because a whole bunch of other people feel the same as me and bought, or are buying a .380.
And they ain't buying them for plinking at beer cans I betcha.

Ammo will come back eventually, after all the Obama scare ammo hoarders and first time gun buyers get stocked up and the factories catch back up.

rc

earlthegoat2
July 26, 2009, 02:55 PM
First of all you are going to get the people who dont like the 380 and say it is too weak. Then you are going to get the crowd that says "I wouldnt volunteer to get shot by one" Then you are going to get the ones who say "Yeah but I am not volunteering to get hit by a baseball bat either but I am not carrying one for self protection I am carrying a gun" And on and on and on.

I like the 380 but I hate this new fad of pocket gun all being chambered in 380 and everyone jumping on the bandwagon to make one (who can blame them they sell, right). If it says 380 and it will barely fit in your hand because it is so small, all the gun magazine readers want it. I would be happy to make the 380 my primary in a Beretta 84. That would be a good controllable gun that you could get rapid multiple shots off in short order. Add that to the fact that it would be a pleasure to shoot every week at the range.

Since the 380 is mainly a pocket gun for most I am going to quote from another post here by another member in another thread:

Originally posted by mljdeckard: I USED to say that a .380 is the bare minimum to carry, particularly for people who absolutely must have a deep-carry piece. (NOT for regular guys who are just too lazy to adjust their wardrobe and lifestyle to carrying the weapon they shoot the best.) But then in about 1995 I think, I was blown away by the sub-compact Glock. Suddenly, it was possible to carry a tiny gun in 9mm, .40, .45, or .357 SIG. WOW. concealability AND power. These were followed by a lot of other sub-compacts in bigger cartridges. Now there are Kel-tecs, Ruger, Rohrbaugh, etc. in 9mm that are quite reliable. I've never heard anyone give a convincing reason to carry a .380 INSTEAD OF one of these options.

This is sound advice especially the part about the lazy people. Obvioulsy this doesnt apply to everybody but still I know many will take offense and if this is what happens then I humbly dont care.

If I need deep concealment I am reaching for a 38 Snubby in steel construction. A Smith Model 60 or Colt Detective Special.

Ammo situation: See rcmodel's post above. That is the long and short of it. It has maybe a little to do with Obamanation or whatever but conspiracy theories aside it has to do with everybody and their brother buying 380s because that is what is fashionable these days. There are 5 times as many 380s out there than there were 2 years ago and ammo manufacturers have not stepped up production and probably still wont since 9mm is still more popular.

You will probably be able to wait a year and then you will be able to buy all the 380 pocket guns you want because all the first time buyers will have gotten bored with them and the used market will be flooded.

For more reading on the subject: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=5779864#post5779864

usp9
July 26, 2009, 03:26 PM
Do any of you use a 380 as your primary/only gun?

I did for years, a Beretta 84, primarily because it was a great gun that I shot very well and it was approved as a duty weapon.

Do people laugh at you if you point it at them? (joke)
:uhoh:

what will a 9mm do that a 380 wont? (i guess about a couple hundred ftlbs and fps but... practically?)

Go through a windshield. Some 9mm won't either.

Where did all the 380 ammo go? is it coming back?
Hoarders. If any event demonstrated that a huge number of people carry the .380, it is this. Yes it will be back.

sidheshooter
July 26, 2009, 04:15 PM
An ammo opinion first: .380 has not been made in the same length production runs as 9mm in my memory. Therefore, .380 has always tended towards more expensive, especially now. That said, if there is one thing we can bank on it is the profit motive. With all the .380s that have been bought, back ordered, and featured on the covers of industry journals and rags recently, I'd look to see .380 ammo production increasing. It ain't happening this year, but we'll see some reasonably priced plinking .380 down the road. I'd bet a dollar on it. ;)

We should all do our parts though. Buy a .380.

(I'll get a sig p232 if you'll get whatever floats your boat the most...)
:D

That said, I'm following your 9mm advice thread with real interest. I've already got a couple of .380s. Like you, if I can find a single stack 9 that meets my needs, I'll get it.

Walkalong
July 26, 2009, 04:17 PM
There was a very nice Beretta .380 at the gun show today. Model 84 I think? Anyway, $375, and me cash poor right now. :(

It's all good though, I spent it on a 29-3. :D


Anyway, .380's area all the rage right now. I still toss my .32 Seecamp in my pocket a lot. (I am so under gunned :rolleyes:)

.380 in a .32 size makes tons of sense. It is no wonder folks are buying Kel-Tecs and Rugers like there is no tomorrow.

sidheshooter
July 26, 2009, 04:25 PM
ps. Maybe you should consider getting a CZ 83 in 9x18 mak and having a good smith work it over. Not a money maker, but it might be a good compromise... just a wild thought.

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Comparisonof9x18mmMakarovetc.htm

Surefire
July 26, 2009, 05:13 PM
I have a Beretta 85 (Cheetah), and I LOVE it.

It is a breeze to shoot with good triggers, outstanding ergonomics, and is big enough to shoot comfortably but small enough to carry.

100 percent reliable, and has fired thousands of rounds with no problems.

While I would never choose a .380 as a primary, I would feel well armed if it was all I had on me.

Charshooter
July 26, 2009, 05:21 PM
I used to carry a Walther PPK in 380 because it was compact and being a big fella, I figured that was all I would need if some criminal tried to hold me up at a late night gas station. I think it all depends on where you are, myself, I had not been around dangerous areas in many years. Now I do not carry unless I am taking a trip then I take my only pistol, a Sig P220.

2RCO
July 26, 2009, 05:25 PM
+1 The old Keltec goes everywhere it legally can on my person. When clothing permits I may carry a 1911 variant or a J frame Smith. The KelTec is just so easy to conceal and light enough you barely notice it.

I prefer situational awareness as my primary defense and consider the gun to be last/worst case defense. If I draw the .380 it's because there is NO other option.

I survived 5 years in a job that resulted in multiple death threats without any firearm at all (don't get me wrong I would have preferred to had a gun). I'm pretty good at de-escalating situations and know when to walk away/ run. The gun is for situations when all options are eliminated.

earlthegoat2
July 26, 2009, 06:14 PM
I survived 5 years in a job that resulted in multiple death threats without any firearm at all

Repo Man??

stevemis
July 26, 2009, 06:15 PM
If you're considering a 380, you also need to consider ammo availability .... or in the current case, lack of availability.

The finest gun on the planet, chambered in the most effective caliber, with an empty magazine is as effective as a $5 hammer.

bigfatdave
July 26, 2009, 06:30 PM
Try these threads:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=464173
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=463075
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=463762
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=461075

This question has been hashed out countless times already.

2RCO
July 26, 2009, 06:36 PM
Repo Man??

Consumer Lending and I had to collect on my own protfolio--including the task of repossession --from motorcycles to Houses -- people don't enjoy it.

You can give them every oppurtunity in the world to make a payment, give them extensions whatever. When you have to go into foreclosure the Banker is always guilty somehow. --Glad I'm out of it...I never enjoyed having to repo anything.

Guns and more
July 26, 2009, 07:06 PM
1. Do any of you use a 380 as your primary/only gun?
Yes.
2. Do people laugh at you if you point it at them? (joke)
Not when the shooting starts. (joke)
3. what will a 9mm do that a 380 wont? (i guess about a couple hundred ftlbs and fps but... practically?)
Not too much, that's why .380 is a 9mm. short. A little less power.
4. Where did all the 380 ammo go? is it coming back?
I don't know how people can be hoarding it if it's never for sale anywhere. Is it coming back? Sure, the demand is high and that's what capitalism does best.

You might consider a Kahr PM-9 if you're on the fence. Smaller than many .380's and it's a 9mm.

6x6pinz
July 26, 2009, 10:53 PM
I have 15 380 pistols. I carry my sig P230sl or walther ppk/s and sometimes my P64 (although in 9x18).
380 ammo is getting very easy to find around here. For a short time it took some looking but it seems to be getting much more available now. Even some of the internet stores have it in stock.
Don't know about most people but I use my cc's for sd not as an aggressor. That being said I don't for see a reason to shoot a BG through a windshield. If he is behind a windshield either he is leaving or has not yet arrived. Most SD shootings come within 10ft and at that range there really is not a big enough difference. If you are one of the vid game players who thinks they are going to take a BG at 50yds with your pistol then in my book that would make you a BG and very easy to put behind bars in any court.

MICHAEL T
July 26, 2009, 11:32 PM
Colt Mustang in pocket as I sit here

Ballistic Mule
July 27, 2009, 12:03 AM
Got a Markarov 380 .I guess it's mid sized , it's my carry gun if I feel I must. Had to buff t
he ramp a little but it works well

The main difference between 9 and 380 seems to be penatration, kinda feeble compared to 9mm.

When the guns come out,no one's laughing.

KegCommando
July 27, 2009, 02:45 AM
Do people laugh at you if you point it at them?

If the guy can tell from the muzzle end, a couple feet away, in a blink of a second what caliber you are pointing at them, then hand him your wallet. That kind of parlor trick deserves to be paid for.

COMPNOR
July 27, 2009, 03:36 AM
Originally posted by mljdeckard: I USED to say that a .380 is the bare minimum to carry, particularly for people who absolutely must have a deep-carry piece. (NOT for regular guys who are just too lazy to adjust their wardrobe and lifestyle to carrying the weapon they shoot the best.) But then in about 1995 I think, I was blown away by the sub-compact Glock. Suddenly, it was possible to carry a tiny gun in 9mm, .40, .45, or .357 SIG. WOW. concealability AND power. These were followed by a lot of other sub-compacts in bigger cartridges. Now there are Kel-tecs, Ruger, Rohrbaugh, etc. in 9mm that are quite reliable. I've never heard anyone give a convincing reason to carry a .380 INSTEAD OF one of these options.


My preferred method of carry is pocket carry. I'm comfortable carrying a LCP. I shoot it well enough that i trust my life with it. Why does this make me lazy? Why must I carry a bigger gun?

PX15
July 27, 2009, 10:49 AM
Me.....:)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_0145_01.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_8023-1.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_6811_01.jpg

If you can't successfully cc a Seecamp you should never leave the nudist colony. :evil:



Jesse

benderx4
July 27, 2009, 11:56 AM
Primary carry weapon: Seecamp LWS380 (Hard to find, but worth it!)

Thinking about: Rorhbaugh R-9

MikeBoyd
July 27, 2009, 01:41 PM
When ammo gets more readily available for my little .380, I will be pocket carrying it again soon. But for now, I am stuck lugging around a heavy .40 S&W which is difficult to conceal when you are walking around on 100 degree days in shorts and a T-Shirt.

Now I will have to shop for one of those SeeCamps, it looks so much easier than the PPK, how reliable and accurate is it?

VeggieH
July 27, 2009, 01:56 PM
my wife carrys a lcp 380 in a uncle mikes belt holster as primary, back-up is a .22 mag derringer.

benzuncle
July 27, 2009, 02:30 PM
My first carry piece was a NAA Guardian 380. I still carry it when the slacks I wear don't allow me to hide one of my 45's or 357SIG pieces. It is my Sunday-go-to-church piece also.

CZ223
July 27, 2009, 02:41 PM
Three part answer.
1) Do I like the 380- Yes I do.
2) Do I like it for primary carry- No I don't
3) While I don't like it for primary carry I will occassionaly carry just my LCP. I much prefer my G23 on my right hip with the LCP in my left front pocket. It is always there. Hey it beats a sharp stick in the eye.:evil:

As for your other questions:

1) What will the 9mm do that the 380 won't? It will will penetrate deeper and cause more damage. It will also cost you less at the check out.

2) Where did all the ammo go? I have a different take on this than a lot of people, I think. If you have spent any time in places like Cabellas over the last 9 months or so, you will realize that a lot of people were buying lots of guns. A lot of these people were new to owning any guns and, a lot of them wanted something that wouldn't kick a lot. I saw lots of Bersas, Kel-tecs and, LCP's flying off the shelves. That was the first part of the problem. The second part of the problem is that there are several good, relatively new guns out there chambered in 380 like the ones already mention. The 380 had languished over the past 10 or 20 years so manufacturers weren't producing a lot of it. Part three is that everyone was hording ammo. Part four is that components for ammo are also in high demand. Up until recently at least, manufatures probably sold 10 boxes of 9mm ammo to every box of 380 that they produced, so the bullets and the primers were used in the production of 9mm rather than 380.

3) Will it come back? Yes, I believe it will. As the demand for 9mm and other ammo levels out I would be willing to bet that manufacturers will refocus there attention on the production of 380 ammo? Why wouldn't they? The demand is obviously up due to the reasons allready mentioned and, they can charge more for it than 9mm, while there costs are the same or slightly less.

PX15
July 27, 2009, 02:43 PM
MIkeBoyd:

How reliable and accurate is the LWS380?

Ok, here ya' go.

All Seecamps are designed strictly as close up and personal self defense weapons. They have NO external sights, by design, and I think most of us agree that the Seecamp pistol is one "carried a lot, shot a little"..

Seecamps, ONCE you find the fodder it prefers is absolutely reliable, or certainly as reliable as anything made by man can be. I trust mine with my life and carry it daily.

As of 7/23/09 the "recommended" ammo for the LWS380 is: Hydrashock jhp, or Silvertip jhp. Not saying other jhp ammo won't work just fine, but these are the two rounds Larry has tested sufficiently and found has the least variance in tolerances from box to box. Having said that I use Speer Gold Dots in both my LWS32 and LWS380 and "so far" have experienced 100% reliability.

The shortage of 32, and particularly 380 cal ammo right now is actually affecting Larry's ability to sufficiently test each pistol prior releasing them to his customers, and he will not sell a gun until he has tested it to insure proper functioning.

As to the accuracy of the LWS380?

Well, I only practice with my Seecamps from 3 yards, often less. I use a point and shoot technique and the target below shows the results of the first mag fired thru my LWS380 from that distance.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_0068-1.jpg

When I practice with my larger caliber firearms my personal self defense distance is from 7 yards or less.. I'm not an expert marksman, and I'm of the opinion that at further than 7 yards I have an opportunity to turn tail and head for the woods as a preference to shooting someone.

I've had NAA Guardians/KelTecs/Beretta's and found the NAA/KT pistols to be very, very good. The difference between the Seecamp pistol and the others, IN MY OPINION, lies in the absolute top quality of the Seecamps when compared to the others.

I don't say you have a better concealed carry choice in a Seecamp vs a Guardian or KelTec. I just say you have a higher quality firearm in construction and materials (IMO), and in the Seecamp you have a top quality firearm you will want to "pass down" to your heirs...:)

I'm of the opinion that Seecamp pistols are the best of the best, and that's why I have two, and my wife has one..

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_6901_01.jpg

Nothing wrong with the others, just personal preference..

To sum it up, IMO, and in my experience Seecamp pistols will do the job, both in reliability and accuracy if the shooter will do his/hers by choosing his/her ammo properly and practicing sufficiently to become proficient with his/her Seecamp pistol. Once a person has confidence in both his/her Seecamps reliability and his/her own competence in shooting the weapon I believe there is no finer mousegun choice than a Seecamp, be it the LWS32 or LWS380.

Hope this helps.

Best Wishes,

searcher451
July 27, 2009, 02:45 PM
I've carried a Walther PPK/S in .380 ACP for years and have never felt like I wasn't properly protected. It's a solid round with a solid track record, IMO. The trick these days is in finding ammo to run through a .380. I've found one box of Remington ball, 50-round box, since December, and that's it. It's a good thing I had a decent supply, but that is currently running lower than I'd like.

conw
July 27, 2009, 02:58 PM
if the guy can tell from the muzzle end, a couple feet away, in a blink of a second what caliber you are pointing at them, then hand him your wallet. That kind of parlor trick deserves to be paid for.

post of the year.

Flopsy
July 27, 2009, 05:59 PM
I carry only my Beretta 84F on a regular basis.

It holds 13+1.

I put a stainless barrel in the blue frame as an upgrade.

Nobody laughs at me.

WRGADog
July 27, 2009, 07:39 PM
The gun I choose is dependent on where I am going and clothing. The three guns are:

1. S&W 340PD, 357 mag. Great gun weight wise, caliber, and easy to conceal, but absolutely brutal to shoot.

2. Kahr PM9, easy to conceal, good weight, accurate, minimal recoil

3. Kahr P380, tiny gun, very light weight, very little recoil, accurate, and superb concealability. I love this gun and carry it often.

I give the edge to the PM9, based upon caliber alone, but I am completely comfortable and confident in the P380.

bigfatdave
July 27, 2009, 09:17 PM
if the guy can tell from the muzzle end, a couple feet away, in a blink of a second what caliber you are pointing at them, then hand him your wallet. That kind of parlor trick deserves to be paid for.I agree, conwict, KegCommando summed the answer to Q#2 up nicely.
To be serious, the barrel of anything identifiable as a gun is pretty impressive when viewed from the wrong end. Even a little .22 pocket gun can be a deterrent ... but it still isn't the best option.

southriseagain, what have you actually shot? What have you actually attempted to conceal? You would be surprised what can hide under slacks/jeans and an informal buttoned shirt. Add in how little attention people are actually paying to your beltline, and you can CC even a duty-size 9mm IWB. Perhaps you would save a lot of time and trouble if you took a try with a merely compact pistol, rather than insisting on a lilliputian pocket pistol.

southriseagain
July 27, 2009, 10:02 PM
southriseagain, what have you actually shot? What have you actually attempted to conceal? You would be surprised what can hide under slacks/jeans and an informal buttoned shirt. Add in how little attention people are actually paying to your beltline, and you can CC even a duty-size 9mm IWB. Perhaps you would save a lot of time and trouble if you took a try with a merely compact pistol, rather than insisting on a lilliputian pocket pistol.

i've shot 357 38 9mm 40 45 (not including rifles and shotguns)

i've carried 357 40 9mm and 45 (not in public, just woods)

i've concealed carried... car keys and chewing gum


from what ive read and been able to see on the online (havent seen one in person yet) i think i might like the cz 2075 in 9mm.

problem is i made the mistake of picking up a sig p232 and cant get it out of my mind... its like a walther pp only a little more butch and modern (it really should have been a 9mm), probably the best looking/most ergonomic firearm i've had my mitts on.

Since 380 is new to me i'm a little concerned about getting a new caliber based on the platform as opposed to the other way around (i.e. wanting a 357 and getting a smith vs wanting a p232 and ending up with a 380)

bigfatdave
July 27, 2009, 10:26 PM
southriseagain, you can CC a lot of gun if you are willing to go beyond pocket carry. Not to knock pocket carry, other than purse-guns, there aren't a lot of options that allow you to have your hand on the grip ready to draw whenever you want, and not draw attention. (side note to self ... invent mitten-carry, and market mitten/gun set to public!)

Personally I went with a PPS-9 thinking of the possibility of pocket carry, but beyond trying it out at home I've felt no need to bother. IWB is less hassle, faster to draw (and I have BIG pockets) if starting with hands at my sides. What works for me might not work for you, but if you insist on a pocket-sized gun, you will get pocket-sized performance.

Mags
July 27, 2009, 10:39 PM
Oops wrong 380 post

mongo4567
July 27, 2009, 11:25 PM
I pocket carry a Keltec P3AT most often, especially in the hot summer.

conw
July 27, 2009, 11:35 PM
Who likes 380 ACP? Anyone like it as a primary?
i've been looking into sub-compact 9mm's lately with the intention of doing cheap plinking, and to fulfill my need for a compact/subcompact/pocket.

Looking at the little guns i found the 9's to be a bit clunky, off-balance and ugly compared to the similar 380 acp's. So at the moment i find myself unintentionally considering a 380. (still open to the right 9 but i have another thread about that.)

i'm not a cop so quite frankly i will never carry 2 guns simultaneously.. i've never even needed the first one so 2 would definitely be overkill.

1. Do any of you use a 380 as your primary/only gun?
2. Do people laugh at you if you point it at them? (joke)
3. what will a 9mm do that a 380 wont? (i guess about a couple hundred ftlbs and fps but... practically?)
4. Where did all the 380 ammo go? is it coming back?


I think you should really give some honest thought to changing your wardrobe, and//or giving an honest try to bigger guns. I carry an "ugly" 9mm (Keltec p11) just fine; in fact the premise of the thread seems somewhat flawed, if you are rejecting a carry gun based on appearance.

9mm do that a 380 won't? Wellll, typically, with the same shootability, cheaper cost, and same recoil, it offers more power and a better chance of ending a lethal force situation when used properly.

I'm 6'/195, athletic, and can carry my 9mm with NO HOLSTER OR BELT in friggen gym shorts and a tank top with a belt clip. I just see no need to switch to a smaller gun.

As for 2 guns being overkill, I would definitely carry another P11 if I had it, and if the outfit allowed. Much more efficient than a reload, and if you need one gun you probably need two. Sure, chances are low that you need one gun, but if a situation is that bad the extra assurance of a second gun is probably worth it.

Dr_2_B
July 27, 2009, 11:44 PM
One thing we tend to overlook in these discussions is the launching platform. Now you give me a .380 with a 4 to 6 inch barrel, and I wouldn't consider the round to be anemic. But in the teeny tiny guns we usually see available for .380s, some of which I own and carry, a 380 isn't exactly howitzer-esque.

oak1971
July 27, 2009, 11:45 PM
I have 45's and 44's 357's 9mm and a p3at in 380. A 380 does not make me feel under gunned. I might try strapping on a 3 inch 629 this winter.

huntsman
July 28, 2009, 12:31 AM
Who likes 380 ACP? Anyone like it as a primary?

Since I only own 2 centerfire handguns and both are .380 I guess one would be "A Primary" and the other is a secondary.

But both are secondary to my shotguns and rifle:)

Clifford
July 28, 2009, 01:48 AM
I own two .380 handguns an AMT backup S.A. And a Colt mustang. Normally my carry weapon is a Colt compact .45. But due to the heat in summer here in AZ my mustang is often the gun in my pocket (during summer). No I don't feel "undergunned" with a .380. That said I still prefer a larger weapon for pure control reasons.

zombienerd
July 28, 2009, 03:30 AM
I use my Bersa Thunder .380 as my primary carry gun. It is small enough to fit in a pocket, or comfortably IWB.

The 380 has a proven track record of being "just enough" for self defense. I don't feel undergunned carrying my 7+1 and an extra mag with my Bersa.

That being said, I also have a "fullsize" 9MM that I open carry on occasion, but the 380 is what I use for EDC.

Dr_2_B
July 28, 2009, 07:56 PM
I'm amazed at all the people I hear about who open-carry. On the one hand I wish I could do that. But OTOH, I think most of us are better served if the bad guys don't know we're carrying.

1858rem
July 28, 2009, 11:43 PM
so how about .380 vs 9mm mak in a nice east german makarov?


whats .380's advantage to 9 mak?

1858rem
July 28, 2009, 11:46 PM
self defense distance is from 7' or less..


do you really mean 7 FEET? i was thinking yards maybe.

DrLaw
July 29, 2009, 11:58 AM
In a land far, far away, and a time long, long ago, I used to carry a Mauser HSc in .380 (Interarms import) as an off-duty gun and never felt undergunned with it. Today, I would feel undergunned in view of the number of bad guys that are out there with bigger things, but then, never a worry.

I also never had to use it. ;)

Fortunately, I live in Illinois, one of the two non-concealed carry states left in the US. I know I am safe because my State Police don't want anybody in the state to have a concealed carry gun, and I know the criminals NEVER EVER have guns, because they are not supposed to. :banghead::fire::cuss: (friggen corrupt Illinois politicians)

However, if you feel comfortable with a .380, go with it. Remember, it is your preference to use what you feel good using. If you are confident, you'll be happy.

The Doc is out now. :cool:

GrayGhost
July 29, 2009, 02:27 PM
I have a Browning BDA in .380 it was my primary carry for years, love the gun and would never part with it. With the double stacked mag it will carry 13 rds and I've never felt undergunned. I recently purchased a S&W compact M&P 40 and now rotate between the two.

southriseagain
July 30, 2009, 10:29 PM
I think you should really give some honest thought to changing your wardrobe

with all do respect, no way. I own my guns, they dont own me.

conw
July 31, 2009, 01:29 AM
Dude, you can lose 10 pounds or go to a tailor for alterations, and carry a much better gun choice, rather than choosing your gun based on your wardrobe. The lose 10 lbs thing isn't meant as a dig on you, I don't know you. I just mean that you are obviously serious about carrying and defending, so why not do it with the most effective tool possible? This is like choosing a 4WD because of a rough spot in your driveway. Is it easier to fix the rough spot or get the car that would suit your general purpose better?

PX15
July 31, 2009, 08:41 AM
1858rem:

Yikes....

Thank you very much for bringing that error to my attention... I should have said 3 yards and 7 yards, not feet.... :eek:

Hey I'm an old fart, quasi-dyslexic, semi-senile, short term memory loss, accompanied by increasing long-term memory loss, and an enlarged prostate. Other than that I'm doing great!

Thanks Again!

Best Wishes,

Jesse

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