how to bury a gun and ammo-and how to do it right.


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Skillet
July 26, 2009, 03:18 PM
this is an interesting article i came across online a few months ago.
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Bury a gun and ammo
for 15 years
(and be assured everything still works when you dig it up)

By Charles Wood


Back in the early 1990s the outlook for the nation in general and gun owners in particular seemed rather grim to many people. A few years earlier in 1986, Congress had banned civilians from owning newly manufactured machine guns. There was ever more strident talk of banning semi-automatic weapons or so called assault weapons. Many of us regarded a semi-automatic rifle as the foundation of a home defense battery. Many of us believed that more laws banning ever more types of guns were imminent. About that time I acquired a Ruger Ranch Rifle through a private sale. I decided to stash it away in a safe place just in case my worst fear was to materialize, another gun ban.

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The general location of the pipe after the logging was done. It would have helped if I had had a better method of locating the pipe.


First order of business was to decide how I would prepare the gun for long-term storage and where I would store it. I decided that for maximum security I needed to bury it. This would keep it safe from all but the most determined government goons. I set about finding an appropriate location. I live in a fairly remote, wooded rural area in the northeast. One day as I was walking in the woods I noticed a hemlock tree had blown down and been uprooted by a recent windstorm. There was a small crater about eight feet across and three feet deep where the root ball had been torn out of the ground. It occurred to me that this would be a good spot for my rifle.

Since I now had the location, I began preparing the rifle for storage. I bought a piece of 6-inch diameter schedule 40 PVC pipe, end caps, and PVC solvent from a hardware store in another town where I had never done business before. Being in a rural area where everyone knows everyone I didn’t want to arouse any suspicions about what I was up to. I then disassembled the rifle and completely coated every metal part with a rust preventative oil intended for storing unused machinery in damp locations. This oil dries to form a waxy coating. I was extra careful that the bore was completely coated. I wanted to vacuum-pack the rifle as extra insurance against rust. As it turned out my employer had just taken delivery of a mainframe computer that happened to be wrapped in a large

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Here is the top of the pipe uncovered with the noose and winch attached.

aluminized mylar bag for shipping. This proved to be the perfect material for my purpose. I discovered that with a warm iron I could fuse the edges of this material into a custom-fitted airtight bag for the rifle. I placed each individual component of the partially disassembled rifle in its own custom-made mylar bag with a small bag of silica gel desiccant to absorb any moisture present. Using my shop vac and an iron I managed to produce a professional-looking vacuum-packing job. The barreled action, stock, trigger assembly, hand guard, magazines, scope, and mounts all went into individual bags.

Since the rifle was so heavily preserved I knew I would need something to degrease it with when I finally retrieved it so I included two small cans of 1-1-1 Trichlorethane in the package. Also, since a rifle is of little use without ammunition, several thousand rounds of .223 were included. Because every well-maintained rifle needs to be cleaned and oiled occasionally, I added a cleaning rod, patches, Hoppe’s #9 solvent, gun oil, grease, and owner’s manual. A set of reloading dies was included as well. If dire circumstances required me to retrieve my rifle I wanted to be sure that I would have everything at hand necessary to put it into service. All of the individually wrapped components were sealed together into a larger mylar bag custom-made for the purpose along with a couple more medium-sized bags of desiccant. A few bags of ammo were taped to the side of this bag and the entire thing was wrapped in duct tape. Additional ammo was packed into zip lock freezer bags.

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The pipe was carefully sawn open to reveal that it remained watertight after 15 years underground.


With everything prepared I was ready to load the pipe. I first put in a large bag of desiccant followed by several bags of ammo, followed by the bag containing the rifle and supplies. Since there was some empty space surrounding the rifle, I dumped in some loose ammo just to fill the voids. More bags of ammo were then added to fill the pipe. Since I had a tank of nitrogen available, I also purged the air from the tube with the nitrogen before sealing it. This was undoubtedly overkill but I had it available so I used it. I took extreme care while using the PVC solvent to insure that the caps were perfectly sealed and watertight. Finally, I painted the pipe black, and at this point, 15 years later, I’m not sure why.

I loaded the sealed pipe in the back of my truck and drove up into the woods to the downed hemlock tree previously selected. With a post hole digger I dug a hole about six feet deep and a foot in diameter in the center of the crater left by the root ball of the tree. After gently placing the pipe in the hole, I carefully pulled the tree upright using a chain attached to my truck. By this time the tree had died and most of the needles had fallen off. Once returned to vertical it was pretty stable and a little dirt and debris shoveled around the edges did the trick. In any healthy, well-managed forest there are always a few standing dead trees, so this one would not arouse the curiosity of anyone who hunted or hiked there.

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The contents of the pipe, still in the protective wrapping.


I never told anyone what I had done and I didn’t write down the location anywhere. About five or six years later I had a timber harvest. I had my consulting forester mark the tree as a wildlife tree so it wouldn’t be disturbed by the loggers. It was, after all, popular with the Pileated Woodpeckers. It has been 15 years since I buried the rifle and I have recently had another timber harvest. The tree was quite rotted by this time and it didn’t survive the harvest. I had been keeping an eye on it, so when it finally fell I marked a nearby tree so I could find it again after the loggers left. Even careful logging causes quite an upheaval in the forest and it can be difficult to locate a specific spot after all the landmarks have been changed. After the logging crew had left it took me several days with a shovel and a rake to locate the rifle. In hindsight, I should have had some additional way of locating it. Since the top of the pipe was about three feet below ground level, my old metal detector wasn’t much help. I decided that it would be interesting to retrieve the rifle and see how well my storage plan had worked.

I managed to locate the very rotted stump beneath the logging debris and started digging. Once I located the top of the pipe I excavated around it about a foot on all sides and to a depth of about a foot below the top of the pipe. I attached a noose of polypropylene rope and used the winch on my truck and a convenient log to slowly pull the pipe out of the ground. After all these years the soil was still very loose around the pipe and it was relatively easy to pull it out. I could have accomplished it without the winch had it been necessary. After removing the pipe, I filled the hole with logging debris and covered it up with some loose hemlock boughs to prevent someone from falling into it.

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All components were individually wrapped and sealed. The contents show no adverse affects after spending 15 years underground.


Back at the house I hosed off the mud and prepared to saw the pipe open. Using a handsaw, I very carefully cut completely around one of the caps. I didn’t want to damage the contents by being too enthusiastic.

With the cap removed it was immediately obvious that no moisture had gotten into the pipe. I carefully slid the contents out on to a table for examination. After unwrapping the duct tape and removing the outer bag, it was obvious that all was OK. All of the individual packages were unwrapped to reveal the contents were as good as the day they were packaged.

So if you think it is necessary, you can store a rifle safely for long periods in harsh environments. A little attention to detail, some scrounged materials, and a few dollars in supplies are all it takes.
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from- backwoods home magazine, the writer takes full credit for the idea, i just copied it on here to share. here's the link-http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/wood115.html

i am sure that you can do the same with pistols and shotguns as well. you might need alot of pipe! i am sure that if a gun ban would ever arise to a forefront in the current administration's mind :fire:, this would be something that you might need to prepare for. :D

i know the quote-"when it's time to bury it, it's time to take it out". or whatever it is, but the thing is is that for the people that have safe queens and guns that won't work for practical self defense and what not like a blackpowder rifle or a very special gun that you want to not get damaged, this would be a way to store it. now, i wouldn't bury it that deep, in a area like that because of earth movement that might crack the pvc. what would you want for tactical purposes? a semi auto pistol or rifle.

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mm1ut1
July 26, 2009, 04:09 PM
Wonder if it would work with cigarettes?

DMK
July 26, 2009, 04:28 PM
Paranoia is so funny. :D

Cool time capsule though. Look how everything is different today.... or not. :uhoh:

oneounceload
July 26, 2009, 06:02 PM
Now there will be a run on 6" PVC pipe!!!!!!....:D

DRYHUMOR
July 26, 2009, 06:05 PM
Schedule 80 PVC is more robust.

Avenger29
July 26, 2009, 06:23 PM
Even careful logging causes quite an upheaval in the forest and it can be difficult to locate a specific spot after all the landmarks have been changed.

Take careful note of this. We had our land logged several years back. Complete change in what the woods looked like. Complete change. Familiar trees are gone, the equipment really moves earth around and tears stuff up (nothing catastrophic for the environment- it just changes it) and soil gets washed around and eroded.

Skillet
July 26, 2009, 06:31 PM
Avenger 29, that's why i recommend schedule 80 pipe and that you should bury it horizontally, not vertically, and bury it at about 3 feet. since it is desert where i live, i have some more leeway when it comes to earth upheaval. i would not put it in a forested area, because of risk of very big roots and to much torsion in the earth. a flatter, brushy and good soiled area would be the best bet.

and if you have a GPS, i would recommend plotting it on there so you don't forget. use a name for the plot like GB09- gun, bury, 2009.
that way you won't forget it and only you can know what your "code" would stand for.

The Deer Hunter
July 26, 2009, 06:42 PM
Paranoia aside, it's a good excuse for buying a new gun.


"Hunny, yes, it's another one. I can explain. It's an experiment! I'm going to bury it, and in 15 years we can dig it back up and have it."

Zoogster
July 26, 2009, 06:43 PM
That may be fine if the person is never subject to an investigation, (say for perhaps not turning in guns known to have been sold to them in such a situation.)
When the federal government or many state agencies do a thorough investigation, especialy if weapon violations are suspected they comb property owned or used by the individual with metal detectors.
Most firearms have significant quantities of metal, yet those detectors can detect a coin or a ring buried with ease.
They can also be adjusted to alert on different quantities of metal with different levels of sensitivity. If you want it to ignore coins, but still alert on items the size of small firearm receivers you can do that.


If they actualy anticipate buried contraband they rent a local earth mover and dig up the yard.


So don't get disillusioned about burying them behind your house in the backyard. Combing even a couple acres with a high quality metal detector takes a relatively short time. You could comb every backyard on a street of your average suburb within a day.

Now if there is lots of random metal, metalic plumbing, various lines, metalic garbage everywhere within the ground etc then the process of locating with a metal detector is much more difficult. Locating arms in such an area would be much more expensive, and if covering extensive area would require subsurface imaging devices.


http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2003/of03-254/
http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2003/of03-254/images/fig1_sm.jpg

There is even more detailed examples of modern ground imaging equipment that gives very clear images on a scale perfect for searching for contraband.

There is even companies that do it for a living:
http://atlanticsubsurfaceimaging.com/

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Concrete scanning

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Finding and locating underground utilities (wires or pipes often smaller than a firearm.)

http://atlanticsubsurfaceimaging.com/pics/golfscan_s.jpg
Scanning an entire golf course and finding where every single piece of irrigation pipe is located.

http://www.maverickinspection.com/Services/GroundPenetratingRadar/tabid/61/Default.aspx

Maverick Inspection Ltd. has provided information to various policing agencies regarding the use of Ground-penetrating radar for locating objects ranging from stolen goods to murder weapons and missing persons.

Examples are endless.


In fact such equipment is used to remove unexploded ordinance or other weaponry left on military land that is turned over for civilian use.
Here for example is a patent for scanning large areas in such a way from the air or ground using subsurface imaging radar:
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7561096/description.html

Here is portable versions for sale:
http://www.subsurfaceimaging.net/cobra_400_broshure.pdf

"Locate tunnels, bunkers, hidden weapons and drugs.
Find land mines and unexploded ordnance (UXO)."

Even massively improving similar technology for the widespread use in combating insurgents with the technique is discussed. The type of people gun owners resisting disarmament would be. Also consider our military practices disarming neighborhoods and civilians in entire areas on a daily basis in foreign lands. Many members of the military then return home and join law enforcement with those experiences. So such actions are certainly not foreign to large numbers of people who would be tasked with carrying them out if ordered.


http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fiel5%2F9896%2F31518%2F01469542.pdf%3Farnumber%3D1469542&authDecision=-203
Summary: The proliferation of strategic subsurface sanctuaries has increased the need for enhanced remote sensing techniques providing for the accurate detection and identification of deeply buried objects. A new ground penetrating radar (GPR) concept is proposed in this paper to use subsurface radiators, delivered as earth penetrating non-explosive, electronic "e-bombs", as the source of strong radiated transmissions for GPR experiments using ground contact or airborne receivers. Three-dimensional imaging techniques for deeply buried targets are being developed based on two-dimensional synthetic aperture radar (SAR) data collection techniques. Experiments over deep mine shafts have been performed to validate the 2D SAR processing algorithms. WIPL-D models have been used to verify the significant enhancement in the received signal-to-noise ratio obtained by burying the transmitter under the surface of the earth. Simple ray-tracing techniques have also been used to confirm the enhancements.

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fiel5%2F8824%2F27938%2F01247206.pdf&authDecision=-203
Summary: This work presents a rigorous mathematical derivation of an effective approximate solution to the near-field 3-D inverse scattering/imaging problem for a system where the coherent signals are transmitted, and the scattered signals are subsequently received at individual transmitters and receivers. Potential applications of this technology include a variety of sub-surface imaging modalities such as: UHF foliage penetrating SAR, ground penetrating radar for land mine detection, and electromagnetic millimeter-wave scanning for concealed weapon detection.

There is literaly hundreds of examples of the technology in use, and further advancements in accuracy and detail happen every year.

PT1911
July 26, 2009, 06:43 PM
as far as relocating your burial spot, you can get a magellan GPS quite cheap and just save it there... or any other GPS for that matter.... do this in addition to any other method you have for locating it...

alex9328
July 26, 2009, 06:43 PM
Hello, A cheap GPS, metal detector, couple of ironrods to create some reference points and big rock buried near items. GPS will get you within a couple of meters or so ( 10 ft. )

Item was worth read, thanks for posting.

Skillet
July 26, 2009, 06:51 PM
zoogster, that's why you bury it wayy out in the boontickies. on land that you know won't be developed for a hundred years. like where i hunt, or in the surrounding area, where you personally only know where it's at. you have gotta make it invisible.

Skillet
July 26, 2009, 07:02 PM
zoogster, but this is the thing. it's a PVC pipe! ground imaging is just going to show something that is so ordinary that nobody would think of it being in there. i'm pretty sure that if jimmy hoffa has escaped for soo long underground dead and buried, you can hide an everyday pvc pipe. that's why it is soo genius. it's hiding in plain view! you can make it look like it is hooked onto your sprinkler system (if you choose to bury it in your back yard) and even if metal detecors are used, when they dig it up and see that it is PVC connected bluntly to a blocked off sprinkler system, they will move on. you can escape the water by just capping it internally and make a T in the sprinkler setup and wala! you can escape a metal detector by putting some random metal object next to it like a metal plumbing pipe.

Skillet
July 26, 2009, 07:14 PM
one more thing. if i bury it out away from my house, it will be impossible to find unless you know where it is. i would bury it on desert land (owned by none other than BLM) that would require some hiking and a GPS to get to. government goonies aren't going to go search thier own land in places (that you can only hardly reach to on foot) with ground penetrating radar.

they aren't gonna spend that much money on every gun owner in america that decides to hide thier guns.

kilo729
July 26, 2009, 07:17 PM
Good stuff. I hope he does a boating accident article soon :P

Zoogster
July 26, 2009, 07:33 PM
zoogster, but this is the thing. it's a PVC pipe! ground imaging is just going to show something that is so ordinary that nobody would think of it being in there.

It can be done, but I was pointing out it is not as simple as burying something in your backyard in a pipe and expecting it not to be found.
Technology makes locating a lone pipe out of place rather easy. You may think it is plastic and might even blend in, but the metal firearm inside is going to really stand out in some wavelengths of ground penetrating radar.

JImbothefiveth
July 26, 2009, 07:40 PM
What was the rust preventative? Is it explosive? I hate rust, and I don't want it to explode when I fire..

you also should stash rolls of tin foil Why? I've covered my entire house with tinfoil. Probably a little paranoid, I know, considering that my house already has tin walls.

Only the old foil will be an effective barrier. Actually it's a matter of who's mind control rays you want to guard against, and everyone knows mind control rays are created by congress. Tinfoil made right now will be great in a few years.

SaxonPig
July 26, 2009, 07:43 PM
This comes up so often I have made it #74.

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How do I bury a gun and ammo?

74. I assume this question is asked by people planning on trying to hide guns from the authorities in case of massive confiscation. In the first place I doubt that burying guns in a plastic box or PVC tube will really be all that effective with modern technology. A trained dog could probably detect a buried gun from any depth a person might wish to dig the hole and modern scanning and metal detection devices would likely be impossible to defeat. Secondly, in my opinion burying a gun is no different from surrendering it. You bury your guns and you are giving up immediate control over them and in effect they are as good as confiscated. If anyone ever comes for my gun they will find it... in my hands.

Zoogster
July 26, 2009, 08:12 PM
While people make fun of anyone that anticipates any confiscation (mentioning of tinfoil etc) it would be wise to always consider it a possibility.
It has been done in most nations of the world.
The British attempting to do it is what started the widespread support of the insurgency that would lead to the Declaration of Independence, our Constitution and Bill of Rights and the creation of the United States of America.
When soldiers under the orders of General Gage were sent to disarm.



While many may picture armed individuals going house to house, that is less likely except in areas with widespread rebellion. Or "insurgent hotspots".
If the nations of Australia and the UK, with similar legal histories are anything to go on, that would not happen.
Instead the population is given the order to voluntarily turn in thier firearms or face stiff punishment. Most of thier populations complied.
That leaves only a small percentage to focus resources on.
They use registration, gun licenses from the federal (tax stamps) or state (CCW license, hunting licenses, or individual firearm licenses) or local (police issued licenses or permits) levels, and other documentation to determine who still has known firearms. That is especialy easy if the "gun show loophole" better described as the ability to legaly transfer firearms privately has been closed.

For those that still manage to go under the radar, they simply can never legaly use them or be found in possession. They may have them hidden someplace, but if they ever use them in self defense or otherwise they will be found out. If they have them in a vehicle and are pulled over, get into a car accident and they are found, they have a medical accident and go to the hospital with one they go to prison.
If thier home has a fire and government personel come in to put it out, or authorities come in to deal with something unrelated and they are found they are in trouble.
At that point the person is punished with years in prison while the media makes them out to be a nutcase society was saved from.

We have even had that happen here in California. People have had house fires, earthquake damage, floods, landslides etc after never being convicted of a single crime in thier life. Unregistered "Assault Weapons" located by rescue personel or peace officers, and the person sent to prison with a felony record. Even weapons perfectly legal to purchase only years before.
It would be no different, except for many other forms of weapons at the national level. Much like it is in Australia or the UK when someone is found with an unregistered weapon left over from when they were legal. That person goes to prison, whether they used it in self defense, it was just merely found, or it was located some other way.

geekWithA.45
July 26, 2009, 08:19 PM
Don't forget the Mossberg ready-to-bury JIC 500:

http://www.mossberg.com/JIC.htm

Seriously, though...the day folks feel the serious, imminent need to bury their guns is really the day they should be wiping them down and loading them up.


We're Americans. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ.

brett30030
July 26, 2009, 08:33 PM
Are the pics from when you buried the gun?

Skillet
July 26, 2009, 08:37 PM
the seal that you use for pvc pipe that comes in a can is used to seal off pvc joints and t's and caps. it glues it as well as seals it, making it water and airtight.-the substance looks blueish.

no, i did not bury a gun, it was the author of the article. i was just sharing the idea around.

Oyeboten
July 26, 2009, 10:09 PM
Too, any stount Metal Trunk or Ammo Can, having a close fitting lid, or old Military Steel Cases of various kinds with waterproof seal Lids already...the exterior coated liberally with Tar, or, layers of Tarred Muslin...can be buried indefinitely without any problems to the contents.


Similarly, any heavier gauge 30 or 55 Gallon Drum when treated likewise.



Moister climes, one could coat all well with Wax, finally, after the Tarred Muslin layers.


Done right, one could dig it up in five hundred or a thousand years, and the contents would be fine.


Same with 20ft or 40ft containerized Cargo Containers...


Plain Axel Grease and Muslin works fine for long term preservation/storage of Arms also.

Warm the Arm...Melt Grease and apply 'Hot' with a Brush...wrap the Arm in Muslin while cooling...lightly coat the tightly wrapped Muslin, wind with String...it'll be good for-ever...

sniknah
July 26, 2009, 10:33 PM
thats the great thing about this site....you never know what someone will post! Not flaming just saying..:)

Loanshark
July 27, 2009, 12:28 AM
THR Rules!! I'm entertained and I learn at the same time.

RP88
July 27, 2009, 12:50 AM
It's good to know. But yea, burying it in the boonies is the only way to ensure it stays undiscovered.

smithmax
July 27, 2009, 03:31 AM
If you use axle grease and muslin, what's the best way to clean it off? I'll probably never do this, but inquiring minds want to know!

Oyeboten
July 27, 2009, 03:53 AM
Kerosene...Gasolene...Acetone...or about any usual/common Solvent...

Machinery or related items...for long storage, once properly covered in Grease and Cloth...still need to be sealed from any prolongued exposures to Water or Moisture...so...still has to go into something...into a tight Box in an Attic, or Wall, or depending...

danprkr
July 27, 2009, 07:34 AM
The guys method for storing the gun in mylar bags, vacuum packed with desiccate inside the tube is also recommended for the long term storage of food. I've seen video of rice stored for 10 years. You might want to leave off the grease.

Just FYI

Blackbeard
July 27, 2009, 12:59 PM
Seriously, though...the day folks feel the serious, imminent need to bury their guns is really the day they should be wiping them down and loading them up.

There's always a couple people who post this in the 'how-to-bury' threads. There are other reasons to bury besides national confiscation. How about the guy from NJ who said the police took all his guns because his mother got a RO against his father who lives in the house? He didn't have time to bury them. I suppose he could have used them against the cops who came to take them, because if it's time to bury them it's time to use them, right?

Gryffydd
July 27, 2009, 01:40 PM
In my own very humble opinion, it is a horrible idea to bury guns rather than to preserve the Constitution.
Seriously, though...the day folks feel the serious, imminent need to bury their guns is really the day they should be wiping them down and loading them up.
Why not do both? Nobody is suggesting you bury your only gun. This is just one more layer of preparedness. What's wrong with having a backup?

geekWithA.45
July 27, 2009, 03:52 PM
There are other reasons to bury besides national confiscation. How about the guy from NJ who said the police took all his guns because his mother got a RO against his father who lives in the house? He didn't have time to bury them. I suppose he could have used them against the cops who came to take them, because if it's time to bury them it's time to use them, right?


Nice conflation artistry.

LRaccuracy
July 27, 2009, 04:06 PM
I know one of my friends who lived in Sharon, North Carolina buried a Mini-14 and a few hand guns in the early 90's. They were preserved as described in the article above. When recovered it was reported to me that they were like new.

HKUSP45C
July 27, 2009, 07:27 PM
Could you seal the pipe and stash in your hot water heater? Seems like it would probably fly under radar there, I assume a metal detector would just see it as a big chunk of metal. I also assume that the JBTs wouldn't be tearing the place apart looking for "possible contraban" just giving the place a good once over.

conw
July 27, 2009, 08:20 PM
Cool article.

Will be interesting to see what new members this article brings to our community via google :p

BHP FAN
July 27, 2009, 08:27 PM
A freind of mine had several Moisen Nagant carbines oiled up with 30wt,and ammo in sealed bags stashed around his property in sealed sections of sewer and drain pipe.Not really ''buried'' one was in detrius in a stump behind a barn,one was in the pump house with some other sections of PVC pipe,only one was ''buried'' at all, just off the trail in the bank of the hillside, up above his place,covered in soft loam.All together I think he had three old milsurp rifles readily accessable,with forty rounds of ammo each.The idea being if he was out and about on his property,and trouble developed down at the house,robbers trying to break into his place or what ever,he had something more serious than his 1911 to handle it,all for I think $49.99 each,back then...

elrod
July 28, 2009, 12:09 PM
Could you seal the pipe and stash in your hot water heater?

Do what??? Howyagonnaget it in, and still have your HWH make hot water? Then get it out??? Methinks a little more thought needs to be used in your plans. Just MHO, now.:confused:

TX1911fan
July 28, 2009, 03:34 PM
You know, hiding them in plain sight is not a bad idea. If you have a pool, add another set of pipes to the pump works. It will look just like it belongs, but it will be sealed and contain a firearm. Plenty of metal around to mess up a metal detector. The sprinkler system is probably not going to work, since it it too big a pipe for a residential sprinkler. Water heater, water softener might work though. Just locate it close to a place where metal would be anyway.

I also get tired of the "when its time to bury, it time to dig them up" crowd. Taking precautions if it looks like confiscations are on their way is not a bad idea.

rbernie
July 28, 2009, 05:14 PM
Guys - let keep this on The High Road. Discussions of ambush of government agents and confiscations and such may work elsewhere, but not here. I've edited the thread and removed several posts; I'd rather not have to do more.

This thread is allowed to remain open insofar as it discusses legal means by which a lawful gun owner might want to cache a firearm and supplies for later retrieval and lawful use. The fact that the quoted article had a specific intent in mind (circumventing a gun ban) is not carte blanc for us to engage in like dialog.

That's it.

Nickotym
July 29, 2009, 12:27 PM
I would not rely on GPS to locate a buried rifle, if things get bad enough you need to dig it up, the GPS system may not work or could be blocked.

jakemccoy
July 29, 2009, 01:36 PM
There's always a couple people who post this in the 'how-to-bury' threads. There are other reasons to bury besides national confiscation. How about the guy from NJ who said the police took all his guns because his mother got a RO against his father who lives in the house? He didn't have time to bury them. I suppose he could have used them against the cops who came to take them, because if it's time to bury them it's time to use them, right?

That's a good point.

Also, cops in California and other states tend to confiscate and ask questions later. They could be totally out of their right. That doesn't matter. They'll figure it out later. Meanwhile, the confiscation would be a prolonged pain in the ass for the gun owner. Also, your pristine firearms will no longer be so.

Skillet
July 29, 2009, 05:59 PM
the Moderator is somewhat right guys. although i know that what i am posting is completly legal because there is no odd ban on burying your guns or something, and since i don't know what might happen in the future, this post is just an IDEA. i am not suggesting that you need to do anything illegal, but if the government does do a ban THEY have done the illegal thing, not me. burying has been used for centuries to keep treasures and items hidden, and it seems like the only foolproof way of doing so even today. i am sure, that a full outright ban would be met more more contestation than just the private citizens. our militaries boys would be outraged, and something that has been enwoven into a societies culture such as guns have is sure to be met with huge consequences if taken away.
just be cautious.
and remember, we are the good guys.

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