If foreigh milsurp ammo is being blocked from entry, can this be changed?


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Ignition Override
July 26, 2009, 09:23 PM
Being not only a late-bloomer with guns, my so-called knowledge of issues discussed on these forums is vague and frankly very 'entry-level', at best.

Yesterday at a small town gun show I asked a couple of sellers whether imports of some foreign .303 surplus is being blocked by Customs or other appointees of our new Administration and these gents had either read or heard that it is seriously hindered. Maybe overall supplies of certain old calibers really have simply dried up due to consumption.

Along with other problems for the NRA, do they have the finances and staff to try to keep such imports of POF .303 etc open, assuming that other countries want to sell it, versus destroying it? As for other surplus ammo, there is either a huge amount of former Warsaw Pact x54R ammo stored by US distributors, or it is still imported now and then.
Or is this situation not the case? I've read about the west. Euro organization which sends Euro taxpayer dollars to subsidize destruction of vast numbers of eastern European AKs etc, keeping some out of the hands of weapons merchants, hindering deliveries to insurgent/rebel war lords in Africa etc.

Maybe part of the problem lies within our State Dept.
As a different type of example, the foreign airlines which are approved to operate into US airports by the FAA is covertly influenced by our State Dept relations. The FAA safety "mantra" often reflects only proper documentation, which does not always equate to airworthy aircraft systems or flight ops cultures focused on safety, in the western mold.
Is this a critical factor for which countries can export ammo to us, i.e. from Pakistan, India or other regions? Just bought my second Lee-Enfield yesterday.

Public pressure last spring stopped the DOD (hidden Obama Cabinet manipulation?) from planning to destroy all once-used 5.56 brass, so that it could not reach the civilian suppliers intact.
Can foreign ammo imports also be increased by more concentrated public pressure? I look forward to reading comments of those who are well-informed about these issues and hope that my impressions from rumours and hearsay are mistaken.
This must all pale in comparison to the insidious attempts to heavily tax or ban all ammo and components etc, or what some in the Kalifornien Demokratischen Republik would like to legislate. It just seems as if foreign surplus or newer low-cost ammo might be the last good deal, whether Bulgarian, Czech, Polish 7x54R, 7x25, whichever old .303 or newer Russian x39, 5.45x39.

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JohnKSa
July 26, 2009, 09:30 PM
It depends on how it's being blocked. If it's blocked due to a sanction or executive order then it's going to be hard to do anything about it.

Fred West
July 27, 2009, 03:42 AM
Probably very little if any .303 surplus available anyway, probably with the exception of POF. Terrible stuff, possibly verging on dangerous. Don't go there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcU5zzZNpmI

Fred.

piratelooking@40
July 27, 2009, 05:58 AM
I thought it was UN arms-dealing treaties that were shafting us on surplus...

everallm
July 27, 2009, 06:29 AM
UN treaties and State/ATF rulings affect some specific countries, weapons and parts not ammunition import into the US, can we spell Wolf or Prvi Partizan

The current administration has not passed any restrictive bill or order on firearms or ammunition

The DoD "controversy" was a low level apparatchik doing a CYA which was roundly jumped on and rescinded in less than a weel, no laws, no secret squirrel pressure from the administration.

Surplus ammunition is exactly that, old, not in current usage, generally no longer manufactured and therefore a finite and dwindling supply.

As for taking the word of ANYONE at a gun show, exercise in futility, comments like that are usually followed by "But it just so happens I have a small stash of my own, hate to see it go, but I like your face....."

DMK
July 27, 2009, 09:20 AM
Often times it is blocked by the exporting country. Take South Africa for example. Some great 7.62 and 5.56 surplus ammo. Now they'd rather just destroy it rather than export it.

We still get some surplus ammo. Russian and Hungarian 7.62x54R is available for example.

piratelooking@40
July 27, 2009, 04:39 PM
Wolf and Privi aren't surplus, and I don't think Russia abides by ANY UN treaties at all.

NukemJim
July 27, 2009, 04:55 PM
DMK Often times it is blocked by the exporting country. Take South Africa for example. Some great 7.62 and 5.56 surplus ammo. Now they'd rather just destroy it rather than export it.


Do you ( or anyone else ) know why surplus is being blocked? :confused:

Thank you

NukemJim

TexasRifleman
July 27, 2009, 04:57 PM
The UN has a bigger hand in this than many believe, in my opinion.

The South African laws for example were reportedly put in place because of of the UN PoA on small arms and the financial incentives (bribes" offered to countries that would sign.


http://disarmament.un.org/cab/poa.html

lobo9er
July 27, 2009, 05:04 PM
the world is lead by people that dont like the common person being armed thats how the world has been for hundreds of years

DMK
July 27, 2009, 05:10 PM
Wolf and Privi aren't surplus, and I don't think Russia abides by ANY UN treaties at all. Privi is Serbian, not Hungarian, and I wasn't referring to Wolf.

Russian:

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Russian_1980_s_7.62x54R_FMJ.html

Hungarian:

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Hungarian_7.62x54R_147grn_Light_Ball.html

Romanian:

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Romanian_8mm_Mauser_FMJ.html

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Romanian_7.62x25.html

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