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danprkr
July 26, 2009, 11:23 PM
I only caught the last half of the 60 minutes piece on gun sales spiking. Did I miss anything? What I saw seemed to be slanted towards the same old message - guns bad. There was slight defeatists attitude at the end right up until Fienstien said something about picking the time and place for the next attempt.

Any thoughts in general?

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collector14
July 26, 2009, 11:25 PM
I wanted to see it, but fell asleep and missed the whole thing.

ArmedBear
July 26, 2009, 11:27 PM
Feinstein and her state are no longer the major players they were in the early 1990s.

Be ever vigilant.

But how many Senators today would want to be associated with her? How many states look to California as a good example for anything?

Does she want to destroy whatever individual rights she can? Yes. That's who and what she is.

Are people listening? Not so much.

People inside California don't realize it yet, but others just aren't looking to them for guidance. Furthermore, California is not a good example for the AWB supporters, since so many states with few firearms restrictions past Federal law, shall-issue CCW, etc., are safer and more pleasant places to live.

mljdeckard
July 26, 2009, 11:28 PM
It's an off-season re-run. Basically she said that she will choose the time and place for the fight. The article was biased, but at least Leslie Stahl did in fact let the other side get their points out.

Rockwell1
July 26, 2009, 11:29 PM
It:'s aired before. They interviewed ( I think) the head of VCDL and he got to make some good points. the antis actually came off looking bad (IMBO)

RedLion
July 27, 2009, 12:48 AM
Yea, same old rhetoric. It was about Virgina having a gun show and its scary because it had loopholes that people could exploit, and some antis saying that nobody talks about "common sense" gun laws anymore because there not popular, then Feinstein whining about everyone's against her and the NRA has a "strangle hold" on congress and how she'll pick the time and place to bring back gun control.

I thought the first few minutes were actually unbiased though. It just talked about how the election and economy caused a huge increase in gun sales and ammo sales, but then it went down hill from there.

bdickens
July 27, 2009, 07:52 AM
You expected different?

mbt2001
July 27, 2009, 09:42 AM
IMO, it is one more reason to oppose Government Health Care. Not necessarily health care reform, but certainly government run... Some of the liberal health care groups (I don't know the acronyms) have sponsored studies on the "cost of gun ownership" or something similar. Once the Government gets their hands on the health care system, they might have a lot more control than one thinks to be able to act without congressional authority.

Think about how some of the power given to the Attorney General (already) could be used today to make gun importation and sales impossible. Think about the trend of outsourcing.

SCOTUS would likely uphold that kind of "ban". Less government power. Don't be lulled, these are past masters of sneaking legislation on the unsuspecting American public.

Quiet
July 27, 2009, 09:56 AM
Since, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the Second Amendment is incorporated, many lawsuits have been filed challenging some of the gun laws in CA. ;)

rduckwor
July 27, 2009, 11:52 AM
No. You missed nothing that you haven't heard before.

RMD

Vern Humphrey
July 27, 2009, 01:32 PM
"60 Minutes" has been on the ropes since they touted a forged document during the 2004 election.

obiwan1
July 27, 2009, 02:05 PM
I wish that it was really true....

Lightninstrike
July 27, 2009, 02:22 PM
"60 Minutes" has been on the ropes since they touted a forged document during the 2004 election.

Vern, got a link? Not that I doubt but because I can't remember the incident and want to look it up. Thanks in advance.

Houser52
July 27, 2009, 02:28 PM
I only wish I had not watched it. I get too worked up over all that mindless gun control
crap. It was nothing but more of the same old stuff, ie, the AR ( evil assault rifle )
is the weapon of choice of ALL the gangbangers and drug dealers. The gun show loophole must be closed, etc.

jimmyraythomason
July 27, 2009, 02:31 PM
I stopped watching "60 Minutes" when Mike Wallace did his expose' on gun shows.

Vern Humphrey
July 27, 2009, 02:35 PM
Vern, got a link? Not that I doubt but because I can't remember the incident and want to look it up. Thanks in advance.
That's the one they said prooved Bush was "AWOL." It had been xeroxed many times, but bloggers picked up that it was printed in a 2004 computer font, but supposedly was typed in 1973. Originally, Dan Rather claimed it had been "authenticated," and then later blustered that it might be a forgery, "but what it says is true."

Go here for a more detailed account: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian_documents_controversy

Lightninstrike
July 27, 2009, 02:45 PM
Thanks Vern. I remember this now.

Sorry for the thread drift guys.

Omaha-BeenGlockin
July 27, 2009, 02:50 PM
60-who? CB-who?

Seriously--with cable and satellite does anybody even pay any attn to these morons---let alone give them any credability.

I don't even watch the local news and all the drivel on there either.

ACORN
July 27, 2009, 02:54 PM
I didn't know that show was even on anymore :)

jbnwc
July 27, 2009, 02:58 PM
60-who? CB-who?

Seriously--with cable and satellite does anybody even pay any attn to these morons---let alone give them any credability.

I don't even watch the local news and all the drivel on there either.

Amen - I don't even bother with any new organizations other than Fox and the CW; occasionally BBC for world news.

zxcvbob
July 27, 2009, 03:03 PM
I was headed out the door about 6:15 last night, but I thought I heard Leslie Stahl preaching in the other room about the Virginia Tech massacre and the "gun show loophole". (Not sure what those topics even have to do with each other, unless she was just doing her usual stream-of-consciousness "guns are bad" rant.)

aerod1
July 27, 2009, 03:07 PM
The term "common sense gun laws" is an oxymoron.

Vern Humphrey
July 27, 2009, 03:11 PM
I heard Leslie Stahl preaching in the other room about the Virginia Tech massacre
I don't see why survivors of the massacre have not sued the pants off Virginia Tech. This is the classic anti-gun screwup -- "We won't protect you and you're not allowed to protect yourself."

chuckusaret
July 27, 2009, 03:37 PM
What a shame the greatest country in the world, soon to be referred to as "ONCE THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD", would knowingly misinform their viewers. I take all so called news that is presented by the radio and TV stations with a grain of salt and I have also cancelled my local newspaper, the Palm Beach Post, subscription after over 30 years also because of their out and out twisted fact in their news articles.

Vern Humphrey
July 27, 2009, 03:49 PM
A friend of mine used to say, "Ninety nine times out of a hundred, when you see something in the news, it's something you know nothing about. But now and then they'll slip up and try to tell you something you already know all about. And you can judge the 99% by the 1%."

And the news media fail the 1% test every time. The Rathergate scandal is only an example. Remember when NBC did a story on Ford gas tanks blowing up? They tried to duplicate it for TV, and finally put model rocket engines on the gas tank. Remember the CNN-TIME special on the US using nerve gas in Viet Nam?

Deanimator
July 27, 2009, 03:57 PM
"We won't protect you and you're not allowed to protect yourself."
That is the essence of gun control summarized in one sentence.

Deanimator
July 27, 2009, 04:05 PM
And the news media fail the 1% test every time. The Rathergate scandal is only an example. Remember when NBC did a story on Ford gas tanks blowing up? They tried to duplicate it for TV, and finally put model rocket engines on the gas tank. Remember the CNN-TIME special on the US using nerve gas in Viet Nam?
CNN once ran video of the "comparative" effects of "regular" rifles and "assault weapons". The "regular" guns had NO effect on cinder blocks, while the "assault weapons" pulverized them... not surprising, since the "regular" rifles weren't actually fired AT the cinder blocks. They were excoriated so savagely, that they were actually forced to run a "clarification" to their "story".

The difference between the average media story on gun control and the average denial of the Holocaust in a revisionist newsletter is solely a matter of the monetary resources expended respectively to produce them.

Vern Humphrey
July 27, 2009, 04:10 PM
The difference between the average media story on gun control and the average denial of the Holocaust in a revisionist newsletter is solely a matter of the monetary resources expended respectively to produce them.
They don't limit their lies to gun control, though -- they'll produce garbage anytime they think it will advance their left-wing agenda.

Deanimator
July 27, 2009, 04:23 PM
They don't limit their lies to gun control, though -- they'll produce garbage anytime they think it will advance their left-wing agenda.
True, but unlike the major media, I choose to limit my comments to matters about which I have actual knowledge! :D

I could additionally note that most media stories on military subjects are as factually informative on that subject as the third Flash Gordon serial is on the subjects of astronautics, astronomy, epidemiology and cybernetics...

sammy_adams
July 27, 2009, 04:36 PM
And the news media fail the 1% test every time. The Rathergate scandal is only an example. Remember when NBC did a story on Ford gas tanks blowing up? They tried to duplicate it for TV, and finally put model rocket engines on the gas tank. Remember the CNN-TIME special on the US using nerve gas in Viet Nam?


They are not interested in informing us. They are interested in pushing their political and social agenda.
Remember Walter Cronkite?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdOb_183d1o

:cuss::eek::barf::banghead::scrutiny::cuss::cuss::cuss:

Vern Humphrey
July 27, 2009, 04:37 PM
In the CNN-TIME story, they stated the people involved in the nerve gas incident "wore M17 masks like this one" -- and showed a picture of an M9 mask.

They edited interviews, so people seemed to say things that were impossible. For example, one person said he "saw and smelled the gas cloud." He was obviously talking about teargas, because no one ever saw or smelled nerve gas and lived to tell the story.

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