Gun Cabinet Question


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DeepSouth
July 28, 2009, 12:21 PM
I'm in need of good gun safe, but my budget is only going to allow for a "cabinet" at least for a while. I was looking at some of the cheaper Stack-On and Homak cabinet's and I ran across THIS (http://www.everythingfurniture.com/dawson-gun-cabinet-9.html) American Furniture Gun Cabinet.

I have not been able to find any reviews on it but it will hold more guns than either of my other options. I will fill up whatever I get the day I get it. It also looks better which the wife likes. But I did see where it has to be assembled and I can't find what gauge metal it is.

Anybody have one?
I'm just not wanting to buy a piece of junk.

Thanks

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frankiestoys
July 28, 2009, 12:42 PM
I bought a Bunker hill safe from Harbor Freight tools paid 299.00 for it. . Its way better then one of those Stack on cabinets,( its a real safe) weight over 200 lbs empty can store 8 rifles has a locking top compartment for ammo and its lined with felt can be bolted down and its also rather nice looking . For the money you cant beat it.

DeepSouth
July 28, 2009, 01:05 PM
Was it this one? (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=95824)

If so it would be almost $450 with shipping.

Publius1688
July 28, 2009, 01:09 PM
If you have an extra closet in your home, think about just buying a heavy locking doorknob and installing it. You can use that for the short term, until you get the money together for a decent safe. The Stack-on's aren't that great.

feedthehogs
July 28, 2009, 02:14 PM
its a real safe

As much as you want to convince yourself you have a real safe, you don't.

Not knocking you for what you have, just don't refer to it as a real safe its misleading.

frankiestoys
July 28, 2009, 04:16 PM
As much as you want to convince yourself you have a real safe, you don't.

Not knocking you for what you have, just don't refer to it as a real safe its misleading.
feedthehogs:
Im not misleading anyone,I said for the money its better then a cheap Stack-on
Does this big green box say SAFE ON IT? YES IT DOES! I looked at the honeywell model 6720 for the price of 489.00 plus shipping and i tell you its the same safe. or better 6mm thickness 5 locking bolts and weight 230lbs, sounds like a safe too me.

TexasRifleman
July 28, 2009, 04:53 PM
Does this big green box say SAFE ON IT? YES IT DOES! I looked at the honeywell model 6720 for the price of 489.00 plus shipping and i tell you its the same safe. or better 6mm thickness 5 locking bolts and weight 230lbs, sounds like a safe too me.

The generic term "safe" doesn't mean much.

A few of the real experts will be along to explain in great detail, I will just defer to UL. There are a couple of VERY knowledgeable guys here on THR in this area.

What you desribe there is most likely a Residential Security Container, RSC. They use the marketing term "safe" but if you look at the UL certification I think you will find that it's classed as an RSC. Most experts on security don't consider RSC's as a "real safe".

The ratings speak directly to how long it takes to break into it, not what it weighs or how thick it is.

UL says:

UL Underwriters' Laboratories (UL) - UL is a non-profit, non-bias agency that tests and rates the safety and performance of consumer products. Safes that have earned specific UL ratings will carry a UL label which designates the product's security and fire-protection ratings.

Net Working Time - This is the UL term for testing time which is spent trying to break into a safe using tools such as diamond grinding wheels, high-speed drills with pressure applying devices, or common hand tools such as hammers, chisels, saws, and carbide-tip drills. If a safe has been rated with a 30-minute net working time, (TL30), the rating certifies that the safe successfully withstood a full 30 minutes of attack time with a range of tools.

Theft resistant - This rating means the safe provides a combination lock and minimal theft protection.

Residential Security Container rating (RSC) - This UL rating is based on testing conducted for a net working time of five minutes, on all sides, with a range of tools.

TL-15 rating - The TL-15 rating means the safe has been tested for a net working time of 15 minutes using high speed drills, saws and other sophisticated penetrating equipment.

TL-30 rating - A product carrying the TL-30 security label has been tested for a net working time of 30 minutes with the same types of tools mentioned above.

TL-30 x 6 - The TL-30 (30-minute) test is conducted on all six (6) sides of the safe.

TRTL-30 - The TRTL rating designates a safe which successfully resisted 30 minutes of net working time with a torch and a range of tools which might include high speed drills and saws with carbide bits, pry bars, and other impact devices.

They then assign a rating to the product:

B1 — Theft resistant (minimum security)
B2 — Underwriters’ Laboratories Residential Security Container label
B3 — Non-rated anti-theft (incorporates features of high security safes
without a UL rating)
B4 — Underwriters’ Laboratories TL-15 label
B5 — Underwriters’ Laboratories TL-30 label
B6 — Underwriters’ Laboratories TL-30X6 or TRTL-30 label

TX1911fan
July 28, 2009, 05:45 PM
It all depends on what you want it for. If you are looking for fire protection or close to a guarantee that thieves will not be able to breach it, then you have to spend over $3,000. If you are just trying to keep your guns away from young children and casual thieves, then what you are looking at is just fine. Figure out your needs and goals before you make your decision, and let that guide you.

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