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skidooman603
July 28, 2009, 12:49 PM
Going to get an AK 47 for the son. Looking to spend $500-$700. What is my best option? Thanks Y'all

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RP88
July 28, 2009, 12:57 PM
WASR-10 for ~$500

Saiga and convert yourself for ~$500-650 and a few hours of hands-skilled labor

Norinco for about $700 if you find a reasonable price on them; most sell for more, though

Yugoslavian M70AB1 or the AB2 underfolder for about $675-750

The WASR is a good, basic beater rifle

The saiga is gonna be the best bet because of its quality and overall fit and finish compared to other AKs (it's still an AK though, not a beauty queen, but they do have a much nicer fit and finish). plus, it's an as-close-as-possible real-deal IZHMASH Russian AK. The only downside is that you'll have to convert it yourself. I say this because most of the 'affordable' pre-converted Saigas out there are shoddy at times, although they will be in your price range and can still be fixed up. But all in all, converting yourself is going to give it more consistency, teach you the joy of the AK, and save you way more money.

The Yugos are overbuilt tanks with really nice worksmanship. They do not have a chrome-lined barrel, so be wary and give the barrel a bit more attention. The lack of chrome can make it very accurate (for an AK) though. Another thing to keep in mind is that they are antiques and are going fast. They have doubled in price in the past two years (when I first got into guns you never saw them for more than $400, and WASRs were still $320).

The Norinco ones are very nice as well, but you'll be at odds finding one in your price range.

All of the AKs out there will shoot about 3-4" moa. You may get a little more out of the Yugos and Saigas, but overall you will not be out-shooting any ARs with one.

SFilpansick
July 28, 2009, 01:00 PM
I have the Vector Arms underfolding AK, and I absolutely love it! I have put a couple thousand rounds through it, and have had ZERO problems. But, if you do, they have a pretty impressive 5 yr warranty as well.

I bought mine a few years back, so I'm sure the price has gone up with Obamamania, but mine was like $650 IIRC.

mp5a3
July 28, 2009, 01:00 PM
With AR15's coming down in price I'm very surprised the AK's aren't coming down as fast. (If at all)

mp5a3
July 28, 2009, 01:01 PM
What ever happened to Vector ?

Publius1688
July 28, 2009, 01:02 PM
I have a WASR 10, and love it. Spend a little time cleaning up the furniture, if you wish, and run with it.
However, I agree with the post above about the Saiga's. I like them, too, but prefer them chambered in .308 or 12 gauge.

RP88
July 28, 2009, 01:05 PM
there is a lot of common tooling for AR-types out there, though.

AKs have mostly relied on parts kit importation, and that is why they are/were so cheap. The kits are going up, but very few AK-churners are gonna tool up to make full rifles because it would cost too much with American labor. The selling point of an AK is a 'cheap enough, good enough' rifle. If they start costing as much as ARs like they would if American labor became more responsible, then the AK would be an expensive novelty and lose its selling point. They are going to ride the kit importation to its grave i.e. until they get banned or dry up (there is a very finite supply) before they begin making the rifles completely themselves.

nalioth
July 28, 2009, 01:11 PM
What ever happened to Vector ? Lawsuit took them out.

SFilpansick
July 28, 2009, 01:16 PM
I don't think the lawsuit took them out... their website is current; it just doesn't have any of the HK knockoffs listed anymore.

skidooman603
July 28, 2009, 03:18 PM
Looking seriously at WASR 10. Function is good? I wouldn't mind finishing up the furniture on it a touch :)

skidooman603
July 28, 2009, 03:19 PM
I like a tung oil finish on my Mil-Surp stuff anyway

SimpleIsGood229
July 28, 2009, 03:26 PM
WASR's are very reliable. However, they tend to be somewhat lacking in the fit & finish field.

If it were me, I would go with the Saiga (which I have :D). Converting it isn't that difficult, especially if you have access to a drill press. The press, however, is not necessary.

Gryffydd
July 28, 2009, 03:27 PM
Looking seriously at WASR 10. Function is good? I wouldn't mind finishing up the furniture on it a touch
I stripped, stained and applied Tru-Oil to mine. Looks pretty decent. The WASR 10 is a great value.

tju1973
July 28, 2009, 03:36 PM
My vote goes to a WASR 10, especially if you can inspect it before buying it--

Mine was $400 last summer off of GB-- it was normal WASR rough, but it shot well (the seller let me fire it before I bought it-- which is very rare)-- it does pie plate accurate at 100 yards-- not sure what that is in MOA, but I am happy--

Its not the prettiest AK out there, but it works great-- and since I am a dad of 4 (plus a wife and an ex wife) I have to get a good value on my purchases...:)

mp5a3
July 28, 2009, 03:40 PM
I have a WASR 10/63 w/ a 1975 dated trunnion. Like all the others have said, it does what it supposed to do.

Dr_2_B
July 28, 2009, 10:42 PM
be sure and post pics when you get there

skidooman603
July 29, 2009, 09:55 AM
AIM Surplus seems to have a pretty good rep out there for a reliable source to purchase. Anyone deal with them?

Z-Michigan
July 29, 2009, 11:29 AM
What RP88 said in all respects.

I have purchased lots of things from AIM Surplus and they have been an A+ company to deal with. Generally great prices too. If they have what you want, I would not hesitate to buy from them.

I've also had good experiences with Atlantic Firearms and Classic Arms. Atlantic Firearms' owner is a member of THR and usually offers discounts to THR members - send him a PM for info.

Atlantic Firearms
July 29, 2009, 08:58 PM
skidoomman , we offer the widest selection of AK rifles in the US at this time , you may want to visit our site and look at some of them to get a rough idea of the various AK's out there . We would be glad to speak with you via phone to hash out what AK will best fit your needs & budget and we do offer discounts to HR members , feel free to call our office or send a email you can ask for Blaine , Jay or Matt .

www.atlanticfirearms.com

sales@atlanticfirearms.com

office 410 352 5183

skidooman603
August 3, 2009, 08:38 AM
What is difference between WASR 10/63 and Model WASR 10 RI 1188?

Gryffydd
August 3, 2009, 12:24 PM
From the Atlantic Firearms website:
VZ 58 Rifle Czechoslovakian Milled AK47 Style Rifle
Seriously?

Z-Michigan
August 3, 2009, 01:06 PM
They're not the only ones to use that description... Classic Arms has done similarly.

To me, knowing that the VZ58 uses different mags and a fairly different operating system (still a gas piston, but a tilting bolt and various other differences) it is like calling a Mini-14 an "AR style rifle." But to people who don't know much and just want a 7.62x39mm to shoot, I suppose it could be seen as similar.

Johny
August 3, 2009, 02:11 PM
I converted a saiga. Took a few hours It was hard but It worked it nicely. It's better than some ak-47 you pay $600+ overpriced peice of junk they used to be $250-$350 I wouldnt pay more than that. Get a saiga you can get them for like $400 and convert <$150 BTW get it in 7.62.39m so it fits ak-47 mags (after convertion) There are videos on the internet how to convert a saiga. Make sure you paint under the trigger guard. Because it looks like rust when you remove that plate.

XxWINxX94
August 3, 2009, 02:38 PM
Ok your best with the Romy, its cheap and reliable. No need to baby it or be afraid to shoot it or anyhting. I got mine for $550 at a local gun shop. Keep in mind if you live in the US, then your going to have to have 6 US parts on it. So if your looking for authencity (sorry dont know how to spell that) then go with the Saiga IZMASH. Its going to run you more than the price range but the parts are the real deal Russian stuff. Otherwise, yull be quite satisfied with the WASR-10.

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Atlantic Firearms
August 5, 2009, 08:37 PM
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VZ 58 Rifle Czechoslovakian Milled AK47 Style Rifle

Seriously?
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Yes seriously,,, and we completley explain the whole deal with the VZ 58 in the item description

musick
August 5, 2009, 08:46 PM
Going to get an AK 47 for the son. Looking to spend $500-$700. What is my best option? Thanks Y'all


Probably closer to $700-$750 nowadays, but look into a Bulgarian milled AK. I have the SLR 95 and must say it is very accurate for the AK platform. I shot it along w/ my friends Norinco, Global Trades and Saiga, and the SLR blew them away accuracy-wise.

Solid rifle that I have experienced NO problems with at all.

Gryffydd
August 5, 2009, 08:57 PM
Yes seriously,,, and we completley explain the whole deal with the VZ 58 in the item description
Which makes the inaccurate title even more confusing.

I also notice there's no such explanation when you click on the "Dravunov Style Sniper Rifle" PSL. Though there is a mention of it having a "real wood Dragunov stock set" which is odd, since a real Dragunov stock set wouldn't fit a PSL...

Oh, and check out the Quote feature, it's pretty nifty.

Atlantic Firearms
August 5, 2009, 09:33 PM
Thanks for the tip on the quote feature very helpfull.

skidooman603
August 22, 2009, 08:51 AM
Ok, First trip to range. How do you adjust windage on these rifles? No owners manual. Thanks Folks!

Younggunner
August 22, 2009, 12:12 PM
Go for the saiga for 400 on Atlantic firearms. Then convert it so you have a real russkie ak.

Z-Michigan
August 22, 2009, 12:21 PM
Ok, First trip to range. How do you adjust windage on these rifles? No owners manual.

The front sight post is inserted into a larger metal rod that is horizontal. That metal rod gets drifted left/right to adjust windage. You can do it with a punch, but several companies sell a "AK/SKS sight adjusting tool" for $10-20 that acts like a small press and makes it simpler and easier to do.

A handful of AK pattern rifles, mostly RPK types, have a windage adjustment on the rear sight as well, but most do not.

skidooman603
August 22, 2009, 01:29 PM
Thank You fellow michiganian. Thats kinda what I thought

Henry-Krinkle
August 22, 2009, 02:48 PM
You really should consider the Vz58.

skidooman603
August 22, 2009, 06:46 PM
OK I whacked that drift pin on the front sight pretty good with a brass punch but she doesnt want to move. Anything need to be loosened first or do I just need to get a little more aggresive? Dont want to bust anything.

Wolfsburg
August 22, 2009, 07:23 PM
Not really an AK despite some superficial external similarities, but the Vz58 is a great little rifle. I really like mine.

Z-Michigan
August 22, 2009, 08:30 PM
OK I whacked that drift pin on the front sight pretty good with a brass punch but she doesnt want to move. Anything need to be loosened first or do I just need to get a little more aggresive? Dont want to bust anything.

Since it's an AK I'm 95% sure you just need to hit it harder, but I am not 100%. Maybe someone with more expertise like Nalioth can chime in. Long term I would get the adjusting tool, it's cheap and simple.

skidooman603
August 23, 2009, 04:55 AM
She finally moved. Thanks

Troy308
August 29, 2009, 02:09 PM
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/rifle-vz58hc-fold.aspx?utm_source=streamsend&utm_medium=email&utm_content=5837101&utm_campaign=Special%20Offers%20from%20Centerfire%20Systems

Z-Michigan
August 29, 2009, 09:02 PM
Important note: there are two different VZ-58s on the market right now, one made by CZ with all new parts, the other made by Century using parts kits. Quality will be a lot higher on the CZ model, as is price.

amprecon
August 30, 2009, 12:15 PM
I'll 2nd the SLR-95. I love mine and will never part with it. I imagine they're pretty hard to come by nowadays, so the alternative would be to go with an Arsenal SA M-7 milled variant, probably the closest you'd get to an SLR-95 in build and accuracy.

seanie!
August 31, 2009, 01:45 PM
Have you guys even read the thread? He already picked up his rifle. This was started over a month ago.

XTerminator
August 31, 2009, 03:23 PM
Skidooman,
Did you get a WASR-10? Or something else?

Steve

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