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danprkr
July 28, 2009, 11:19 PM
My wife has agreed to go the range with me, and a friend that is going to coach her since we now keep guns around work and home. I had to learn the hard way that I can't teach her anything as I am the single most stupid person on the face of the planet since our wedding - hence the coach.

Anyway, the coach and I were discussing her issues, and the main one seems to be that - unlike most new females who are basically afraid - she doesn't seem to have the respect for firearms that she should have. She doesn't pay attention to little things like muzzle direction like she should.

I think most of it is in a way nervousness. When she gets uncomfortable she gets unfocused sometimes, and normally it's not an issue. But now it obviously is. Any suggestions?

Fortunately, it's not really my problem since I've abdicated the teaching to the coach, but I still want some ideas just in case.

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Mt Shooter
July 28, 2009, 11:32 PM
I had to learn the hard way that I can't teach her anything as I am the single most stupid person on the face of the planet since our wedding hence the coach.


After 32 years it still hasnt changed, I sent mine to a class for females only. before that she has been to enough matches that she had/has a respect for muzzle direction and to keep the finger off ther trigger. good luck and oh ya dont offer any advice.....you will get your a$$ handed to you, just smile and nod.

Tim the student
July 28, 2009, 11:35 PM
I would just show her a bunch of things that are the results of carelessness and negligence, and how sometimes it's even people who know better, but forgot for one bad instant.

Things that come to mind are the ATF (or whatever) guy that shoots himself, and the "I shot myself with a..." threads here.

danprkr
July 29, 2009, 12:02 AM
dont offer any advice

I view my role here as shutting up and getting out of the way. I'm taking my stuff to amuse myself, and will be gophering her and the coach. Otherwise I'll amuse myself with either shooting or reading in the car.

Kor
July 29, 2009, 12:31 AM
I would suggest exposing her to other "pistol-packin' mama's" by enrolling her in a women's self-defense/gun class, an NRA Refuse to be a Victim class, or taking her to a local range with either a female instructor on staff, or that runs a "Ladies' Night" promotion...this would give her some time with other female peers who own guns and who can positively role-model safe gun-handling and muzzle-awareness for her.

zombienerd
July 29, 2009, 12:41 AM
You should introduce your wife to other gun-nut women.. I know for a fact if she swept my wife, it would probably be the last time she did :P

My wife likes to get loud when she sees poor muzzle control, fingers on triggers, etc... Your wife may not listen to you, but she will probably listen to other women her age.

lions
July 29, 2009, 12:43 AM
Have the first thing she shoots at the range be a reactive target. I think sm's preferred target for a first timer is a can of tomato juice, anything along those lines should make an impression. If she truly understands the consequences of careless gun handling she will stop immediately.

(Hopefully your range allows things like that, if not, you're on your own.)

Superlite27
July 29, 2009, 10:50 AM
Fortunately, it's not really my problem

It is if YOU are the one she's sweeping with a loaded gun.

There are some graphic pics and accounts of ND's here (and other places on the interweb) resulting in gunshot wounds. I'd let her check some of these out with a "here's what happens when you are careless with firearms".

If she doesn't treat them seriously, sorry to say, firearms just aren't for everyone.

danprkr
July 29, 2009, 05:12 PM
It actually went well. She listened to her coach, and made some serious progress. She won't admit it for a couple of days, but I think she even had some fun.:evil:

In my dream world she'd become as much of a gun nut as I am. In reality though I'm just hoping that she gets to the point that I can send her to the safe for the X, and she'll come back with the X in a safe manner. After that it's up to her.:)

planetmobius
July 30, 2009, 01:56 AM
Is it possible that she is creating witnesses to her firearm ineptness so that your untimely demise can be passed off as an accident?

Fumbler
July 30, 2009, 02:23 AM
I would just show her a bunch of things that are the results of carelessness and negligence, and how sometimes it's even people who know better, but forgot for one bad instant.
I wouldn't do that too much.
Maybe just mention those things but don't drill that stuff into her head.
You might end up scaring her to the point that she doesn't want to handle guns.

I'd suggest simply going over the basic rules of gun handling before she picks up a gun. If she violates a rule then point it out, but don't get an attitude with her.
When she gets uncomfortable then tell her everything's ok and just think of the safe gun handling rules.
Go over the rules again after every range session.
Make it a habit to do that because it's good for her and good for you too. It'll become second nature in no time.

danprkr
July 30, 2009, 07:41 PM
Is it possible that she is creating witnesses to her firearm ineptness so that your untimely demise can be passed off as an accident?

Entirely possible, that's why the coach is actually a really good friend who will testify that she'd been trained :D I'm not as think as most people stupid I am.

Hey, I kind of like that I may change my sig line.

cavman
July 30, 2009, 07:54 PM
Hey danprkr:

Have you seen this thread? (per your sig request)

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=465647

Logos
July 30, 2009, 08:34 PM
Entirely possible, that's why the coach is actually a really good friend who will testify that she'd been trained I'm not as think as most people stupid I am.

Hello.

You'd still be just as dead, am I right? How smart is that?

What's your life insurance and net worth status?

Does she have any men friends? Does she have opportunity and motive?

What you said was basically that, since you got married, she treats you with great disrespect and seems to think you're stupid.

Instead of a gun instructor, maybe you need a marriage counselor or a private detective.......or both.

(Just the opinion of one who is twice divorced but never killed.)

:D

danprkr
July 30, 2009, 10:27 PM
Get a sense of humor. If I didn't love and respect my wife (and believe she felt the same) I wouldn't have to worry about her killing me. I'd just be gone.

danprkr
July 30, 2009, 10:33 PM
cavman

Missed it by like 10 minutes :(

jakemccoy
July 30, 2009, 10:46 PM
I'm surprised this thread is still open. Anyway, I'll jump in and address a broader issue. Let's imagine if we switch the genders in the original post. Such a situation wouldn't work out well for most men, in other words, if the man is blatantly disregarding the woman.

I find it hypocritical for some women to treat men like dumb asses. These same women like to emasculate their boyfriend or husband. Some men seem to think it's cute. I don't. Their behavior ranges from constant subtle insults to blatant disrespect. The behavior has become socially acceptable. It's like the scale of gender equality tips way too far the other way for many men. It's getting out of hand. The Oprah/Phil effect, that's a good name for it.

danprkr
July 30, 2009, 11:09 PM
jakemccoy

You're right it is amazing that it hasn't been closed. As a matter of fact I think it's time do so. So any of you moderators that want/can stop this please do.

As to your point of the Oprah/Phil effect, I think it says far more about the woman's sense so of self esteem/respect/whatever. At least in many cases. The thinking goes like this:
- He's great, I love him, I'm not worthy of him because... whatever
- He married me so he must not be all that bright.

Anyway, I can't help myself so would some moderator please kill this before I post again :D

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