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shiftyer1
July 29, 2009, 11:52 PM
I understand that some people have incredible talent with lever guns, but i'm watching shooting gallery and they're showing tactical lever guns for hd. Now if a lever gun is what you have fine but wouldn't a more modern design like a semi auto be more advisable? They show tactical rails, lights, etc. it seems one could buy a semi auto for the price of all the upgrades. I myself love lever guns mostly because of the time period they make me think of but are they really a first choice for home defense? Yes I know shotguns are the king of hd but i'm taking rifles here.

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shiftyer1
July 29, 2009, 11:53 PM
I may be misunderstanding the jist of the show, maybe they're just showing a new use for an old design??? But it did get me to thinking.

alemonkey
July 29, 2009, 11:59 PM
Maybe one of these?

http://www.gunblast.com/images/Puma-MaresLeg/DSC08205.JPG

Personally, tactical accessories on a lever gun make me want to puke. Maybe I should put rails on my Sharps?

shiftyer1
July 30, 2009, 12:07 AM
lol they showed a mares leg at the end of the show. They did mention it had no tactical use but if you bought the stamp and put a different stock on it maybe it would be useful. I would love to own one with the same barrel length and a full stock for a truck gun.

jackdanson
July 30, 2009, 12:10 AM
Yeah putting "tactical" stuff on a lever gun irks me too. That being said, I don't consider a quality red dot a "tactical" item anymore. They are actually quite practical for SD use. Think about, quick aiming, great in low light.. very practical. I wouldn't mind slapping an aimpoint or eotech on a lever gun.

ECVMatt
July 30, 2009, 12:37 AM
I guess it depends where you live and what caliber you use. In the country, a nice .30-30 would be great. It gives you good power, some range if needed and easy to find ammo. In the city you might opt for a .357 or a .44.

I like them because they are simple and work. No magazines, buttons, etc...just pull back the hammer and fire. Then work the lever and you are good to go again.

I have an AR and an AK, but I like my lever guns too. I am going camping in the morning with my family and already picked out one of my favorite Marlin 336's to take.

I am glad we have so many choices...

Matt

Dr.Rob
July 30, 2009, 12:49 AM
Well if you live in a place that has banned semi automatic rifles... why not? Thing is to slick up the action and practice in low light. No need to 'gagetify' a pistol caliber lever gun, not at spitting (across the room) distance. I'd maybe concede the usefulness of a flashlight taped/mounted to the barrel. Or invest in night lights throughout your house.

SimpleIsGood229
July 30, 2009, 03:02 AM
To me, putting tactical crap on a levergun is like mounting 30" gold spinners to a '49 Mercury. It's just...non-sensical.

That said, I think a levergun will work just fine in the HD role, but only if the actual person is up to the task. Point is, the firearm is not the most important bit of the equation.

Birdmang
July 30, 2009, 03:11 AM
I have a weaver scope on my marlin 336 lever gun...that alright isnt it!?

Cosmoline
July 30, 2009, 03:14 AM
My main HD gun now is a Puma 92 in .44 Mag with a tactical light mounted under the barrel. I wouldn't have done it to a real Winchester, but it's just a Puma and it wasn't put together properly to start with. Increased power, increased accuracy, more reliable than a semi--what's not to like?

Dr.Rob
July 30, 2009, 03:58 AM
Just saying a 'fuzzy bunny' nightlight is a $2 solution to seeing what you need to without ruining your night vision plus its not bolted onto your rifle, slowing it down.

kwelz
July 30, 2009, 09:30 AM
Bad choice in my opinion. Anything that slows down followup shots is bad. Having to work a level when you are in a situation where one hand may be out of commission just doesn't seem like a good idea to me. Use a handgun or a Semi Auto.

OurSafeHome.net
July 30, 2009, 09:35 AM
Seems to me that a .38/.357 lever gun would be Just Right for a sub-urban home defense weapon...

Ammunition compatible with your revolver, too!

H2O MAN
July 30, 2009, 09:50 AM
alemonkey
Personally, tactical accessories on a lever gun make me want to puke.

jackdanson Yeah putting "tactical" stuff on a lever gun irks me too.

SimpleIsGood229 To me, putting tactical crap on a levergun is like mounting 30" gold spinners to a '49 Mercury.



:neener:

http://www.athenswater.com/images/guidegun.jpg

Clements Custom Guns is currently making a few additional modifications and enhancements to my Guide Gun.
I should have it back Mid September.

kanook
July 30, 2009, 10:51 AM
OK, I give up. How does that can fit on? or do you have on a thread protector? :confused:

H2O MAN
July 30, 2009, 10:57 AM
:D If you look real close you will notice other rifles (M14 & AKM) pictured above and below the lever gun... the can fits those.

praharin
July 30, 2009, 12:44 PM
Sure, but you could have got the Knights .45 can, and used it on all 3!

H2O MAN
July 30, 2009, 12:47 PM
I don't think the Knight's can would handle the pressure of a .45-70

A suppressed .45-70 lever gun would be interesting though...

SaxonPig
July 30, 2009, 01:11 PM
Are you planning on going to war any time soon?

Do you really NEED a "tactical" rifle with a 30 round magazine for personal SD?

You think a man with lever gun is NOT capable of sending some hoodlums straight to Hell?

Man, I just don't know how we all got along back in the olden days before there were all these tacticool rifles. I guess we just didn't have any way to defend ourselves, did we? Youngsters are always convinced that without the latest in hardware one is helpless. News flash; 95% of winning a fight is the determination in the mind and spirit in the heart, not the gun in the hand.

Try this for fun. Pick up a Winchester "Trapper Model" with the 16" barrel. Note how compact it is, how light it feels, how fast it handles. Check out how thin it is, with no charging handle or forward assist button sticking out to the side. Think about how easy it would be to stow and carry such a trim and lightweight rifle.

Pay attention to the manly sized hole in the muzzle. The 30-30 is the classic caliber but I have one in 44 Magnum and staring into the muzzle of this rifle would be akin to looking into the abyss of Hell were it pointed at you because you would know that down at the bottom of that barrel was a 240 grain JHP bullet that would be coming at you at a clocked 1980 FPS. That should settle anyone's hash but good.

Sure, an AR 15 will empty its magazine faster. How often will this be an advantage? Very, very few people are going to need to deal with more than one or two criminal attackers at a time. Thinking that you must have a semi-auto rifle with at least 90 rounds immediately available is mostly the stuff of fantasy. I have every confidence that a good lever gun will handle virtually all SD situations just fine.

Azizza- Go and observe a "Cowboy Match" with a rifle shoot and then come back and tell me all about the lever gun can't be operated quickly and smoothly under pressure. I was once clocked firing 5 rounds in 4 seconds and hitting a 5 gallon bucket 5 for 5 at 50 yards. Not too bad and remember, I was like in the bottom 25% of the shooters. There were guys who worked those M92s and 94s like lightning.

Wow. All this talk about lever guns makes me want to shoot some of mine.


http://www.fototime.com/ACE388AD5793A9F/standard.jpg

bonedust
July 30, 2009, 01:35 PM
Yeah putting "tactical" stuff on a lever gun irks me too. That being said, I don't consider a quality red dot a "tactical" item anymore. They are actually quite practical for SD use. Think about, quick aiming, great in low light.. very practical. I wouldn't mind slapping an aimpoint or eotech on a lever gun.

if an aimpoint or eoteh isnt 100% tactical, then i dont know what is. if someone enjoys accessorizing a lever gun with tactical items, let them...it still supports the big picture.

Cosmoline
July 30, 2009, 01:42 PM
Just saying a 'fuzzy bunny' nightlight is a $2 solution to seeing what you need to without ruining your night vision plus its not bolted onto your rifle, slowing it down.

A $2 night light does not give me enough information. Ever had to shoot something at 3 AM? I have. Thus my habit of strapping tactical lights on long arms. I'm not a ninja.

Anything that slows down followup shots is bad.

The goal is not faster followup shots, but a first shot that hits square even when you're half asleep and a first shot that stops the intruder. My .44 levergun is more than enough on both counts. I trust that I can hit something with it in the middle of the night. I cannot say the same for my short guns.

J&J
July 30, 2009, 01:53 PM
Have to agree that a lever gun can make a fine HD weapon. 357 or 44 magnum, no doubt about stopping power...

My 94 trapper is my handiest long gun. I can put rounds on target just as fast with it as with any of my semi autos... you have to train to rack the lever as you reacquire your sight picture. If I was engaging anything short of a vehicle at distances likely in my neghborhood, this would be one of my go to weapons.

John

HoosierQ
July 30, 2009, 02:01 PM
The best HD weapon is a gun. We tend to get caught up in looking for the gun. If you live in NYC or someplace where the gun is not available to you legally for whatever reason, there is no reason not to have a gun...and to feel undergunned with it.

In that scenario, a lever action rifle is probably one of the very best choices. If I lived in NYC and could not have a handgun, or a semi-auto carbine of some kind, I'd want a levergun.

All that aside, I would not feel undergunned in Miami or anywhere else with a good levergun.

Since this is Rifle Country after all, I'll make no comments about shotguns.

TomADC
July 30, 2009, 02:22 PM
Shotgun would be my first choice but a levergun is better than a spray and pray type.

Ed Ames
July 30, 2009, 03:08 PM
I beyond overpenetration, I don't see where a .223 semi-auto would be better than a .45C lever gun for self/home defense. Especially in an area with magazine capacity limits. (think: highest population state in US) where both guns are limited to 10rd magazines (but a 10+1rd .454 puma will hold 11+1rds of /45C ... just sayin').

Semi-auto may or may not give a fraction of a second faster follow up time... that's more limited by sight recovery than anything else.

H2O MAN
July 30, 2009, 03:43 PM
Speed shooting Marlin 1895GS 45-70 #1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XCB4A911SM&feature=related)

Speed shooting Marlin 1895GS 45-70 #2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-AVr7gNmrU&feature=related)

OurSafeHome.net
July 30, 2009, 03:56 PM
The SaxonPig squealed You think a man with lever gun is NOT capable of sending some hoodlums straight to Hell?

Excellent turn of a phrase, sir! I would also ask "Do you think that a woman with a revolver [in the same caliber] is NOT capable of sending those same hoodlums on to their reward, too?"

Now that I think about it, wasn't The Duke's "large ring lever" action rifle what started this whole tacticool trend anyway? (Or was it Chuck Conners'? )

;-)

dom1104
July 30, 2009, 03:57 PM
I think a lever gun is an excellent home defense weapon, 44 mag or 45 long colt are VERY hard hitting cartridges, and 357 is no slouch either.

The advantages of these cartridges indoors, at close range, and the handiness of a levergun is... in a word excellent.

And they are great for hunting too.

Its just a good choice all around. It will take some practice for your wife to learn to use proficiently, which for me is always a concern. Its possible my home will get invaded while I am at work.

It takes a little knack to get fast with it.

dom1104
July 30, 2009, 03:58 PM
hmm, the other downside is it is very slow to reload. slower I think than a shotgun even. and clumsier. it is much easier to fumble a small 44 mag cartrige pushing it thru a gate than it is to shove a 12 ga shell into the tube.

OregonJohnny
July 30, 2009, 04:17 PM
Schucks, I jumped in a little late. Let's just say in the future, there's a complete ban on semi-automatic rifles/carbines/SBRs, etc. Wouldn't you want to be ahead of the game and be an expert with your trusty, non-threatening, slicked-up lever gun?

I like to think of my Winchester 94 .30-30 as my "Cowboy Assault Rifle". With it's old iron sights, I can be standing unsupported and hit a melon-sized target at 75 yards over and over again. That's good enough for me.

There's a Marlin 1894 .44 stainless on my to-buy list, as well. I see no reason not to use that 10-shot Marlin loaded with 240-grain hollow points as a home defense rifle. Sure, I also want an AR, but it will always take a back seat to my pistols and shotgun for home defense duties. Frankly, if I was a bad guy who broke into someone's house and found myself staring down the barrel of a .30-30 lever-action rifle, I probably wouldn't say, "Ha! Don't you know you can't defend yourself and your home with any rifle other than an AR with a 30-round mag? Sheesh, you old lever-gun Geezer!"

gunsandreligion
July 30, 2009, 04:58 PM
if you want to see some lever shooting go to myoutdoor tv.com then go to watch video then go to cowboy action shooter and watch the end of trail silver anniversary the lever shooting in there is impressive especialy that of lead dispencer.

eye5600
July 30, 2009, 05:59 PM
If you watch the clips on YouTube and elsewhere, it's pretty clear that the guys who are good with lever guns or pump guns can get just about as many shots on target as the average guy with a semi-automatic. But how good are you?

I think the real advantage is the short reload time of magazine-fed weapons.

benEzra
July 30, 2009, 06:07 PM
To me, putting tactical crap on a levergun is like mounting 30" gold spinners to a '49 Mercury. It's just...non-sensical.
Gold spinners don't make sense on a new car, either.

A light and a red dot, though, would be more like putting HID headlamps and a GPS in that '49 Mercury, which would be practical improvements.

Shotgun would be my first choice but a levergun is better than a spray and pray type.
I don't know of any "spray and pray" NFA Title 1 guns. Civilian semiauto carbines are neither intended nor well suited for "spray and pray" use. I agree that lever actions in suitable calibers can be good HD carbines, though.

HardShell
July 30, 2009, 06:41 PM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/HardShell/RWB%20-%20Rifles/Tactical94-smaller.jpg

The LER scope has long-since been replaced with a red-dot, but you get the idea... :)

cane
July 30, 2009, 09:38 PM
Guess my repro Winchester 1887 in 12 gauge would be the best of both worlds.

76shuvlinoff
July 30, 2009, 09:38 PM
I keep a Marlin 1894c in .357 stoked next to my 870. The intent is for my wife to use it backing me up in a home invasion situation or as primary if I am not home. She is familiar with the operation since I started her on my 39A. She is comfortable shooting it even with hotter loads. She is really uncomfortable handling my sidearms and the 12ga pump is outta the question.

In this scenario I'd say the levergun as a HD weapon is a very viable solution.

SaxonPig
July 30, 2009, 11:33 PM
OurSafeHome.net- I have no doubt that a woman with a handgun can and should effectively defend herself. I would note that some women may have trouble with the heavy DA trigger weight on a revolver (due to lesser grip strength) and for that reason prefer a semi-auto (as my wife does).

If you are intending a comment on my use of the masculine in my description that is merely the use proper grammar which dictates that the masculine be used to reference an unknown individual. I, personally, would never leave the women out of any self-defense discussion.

mljdeckard
July 30, 2009, 11:40 PM
You should use what you shoot best, and the truth is, a lot of people really like lever guns. I'm not in much of a position to comment, the only lever I have used extensively is a Daisy Red Ryder, but if someone has a good solid lever gun in a beefy caliber, and they are very good with it, I would not tell them to drop it for something more modern. I know guys who are better with their saddle guns than I will ever be with my AR.

LibShooter
July 30, 2009, 11:50 PM
My first gun was a "Lever Action" Daisy BB Gun. Shooting, cocking and sighting became such a natural muscle memory that I could put quite a few little steel balls downrange pretty quickly.

I've never had a real gunpowder powered lever action, but I bet those same skills could be revived and serve me well in an HD situation. I'm still coveting a .357 lever.

Gelgoog
July 30, 2009, 11:54 PM
http://i41.tinypic.com/5am3bb.jpg

Cosmoline
July 31, 2009, 12:11 AM
Up here, leverguns are not part of history or the distant nostalgic past. They're actively used by hikers, hunters, guides, etc. They are used because they work. Mounting a light or scope on one to make it work more effectively is entirely appropriate.

lobo9er
July 31, 2009, 12:23 AM
i think its great 30-30 has a little more umpf than 5.56

TomADC
July 31, 2009, 12:31 AM
I don't know of any "spray and pray" NFA Title 1 guns. Civilian semiauto carbines are neither intended nor well suited for "spray and pray" use. I agree that lever actions in suitable calibers can be good HD carbines, though.

Sorry I was refering to the semi auto AR's & AK's as spray and pray..

VA27
July 31, 2009, 02:41 AM
Several years ago, I attended a 'law enforcement lever-action rifle instructor' school.

The idea behind the course was to show trainers and officers that just because they or their agency couldn't afford M4's for every officer or vehicle, they did have other options.

Small rural agencies have limited budgets, but very often they have access to a vault of confiscated weapons that have been abandoned by their previous owner or siezed by the court. In the mix of cheap handguns and sawn off single-shot shotguns and 22 rifles there are usually several lever-action rifles.

Given proper instruction and practice, the lever-action rifle is a viable alternative to a high dollar patrol rifle.

It was a 3-day, 350 round course and rifles ran the gamut from .357 Model 92 Pumas to a Marlin 45/70 Cowboy Rifle. I took my Marlin Guide Gun with a 'Scout' scope on it.

We did everything from 5yd snap shooting and the 'mad minute' to 300yd aimed fire. And believe me when I tell you this, a man who knows his rifle and load is a serious threat out to 300yds and beyond!

One guy brought the '94 Winchester 30/30 that he'd had since he was 12. He brought 350 rounds of 125gr Federal hollowpoints. I was really impressed at what that little gun/ammo combo did to the hardened steel targets, even out at 300yds.

Sure, capacity is somewhat limited and reloads are slower than box magazine guns, but those are problems that pale in comparison to NOT having a rifle when you need one.

On a budget? The lowly levergun will see you through.

Gelgoog
July 31, 2009, 03:17 AM
people are forgetting that a lever gun has nostalgic value behind it. It is a gun that would look favorable upon a jury when you do inevitably shoot that intruder. An Ar-15/AK gives off a much worse vibe.

OregonJohnny
July 31, 2009, 03:53 AM
Keep in mind also, that a lever gun can be "topped-off" while it is chambered, cocked, and shouldered, without having to manipulate a magazine release, then fumbling with inserting another loaded mag.

benEzra
July 31, 2009, 09:07 AM
I was refering to the semi auto AR's & AK's as spray and pray..
When speaking of NFA Title 1 civilian carbines at least, "spray and pray" is a shooter behavior, not a class of firearm. One can spray and pray with a lever-action, too (Chuck Connors in the opening credits of the old Western The Rifleman comes to mind).

I shoot a non-automatic civilian AK with a light and a 1x optic; one shot, one hit, not spray and pray. Think of it as a .30-30 with easier reloading, a 20-round magazine, and no need to work the lever, with accuracy comparable to a Winchester 94.

Having said that, lever guns are fine HD guns, and I'm not knocking them at all, just pointing out that semiautos in the same role are used no differently.

Brian Williams
July 31, 2009, 10:36 AM
I keep a Marlin 1894C in 357 handy. It works and is fairly fast.

kwelz
July 31, 2009, 12:42 PM
Azizza- Go and observe a "Cowboy Match" with a rifle shoot and then come back and tell me all about the lever gun can't be operated quickly and smoothly under pressure. I was once clocked firing 5 rounds in 4 seconds and hitting a 5 gallon bucket 5 for 5 at 50 yards. Not too bad and remember, I was like in the bottom 25% of the shooters. There were guys who worked those M92s and 94s like lightning.

Were the people in this match being shot at? A match is not high pressure or stress. I have no doubt that many people are fast and accurate with a lever action rifle. I do however not think that they are well suited to a HD situation. They fall into the same category as a SxS Shotgun. Usable but less than Ideal.

What if your weak hand is somehow injured? I can fire a Semi Auto fairly easily one handed or brace it on something. I can even reload fairly well with one hand and have 30 more rounds ready to go. With a Lever action you are limiting yourself to a less than ideal weapon system to defend yourself and your family with. I just don't see why you would want to do this.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
July 31, 2009, 12:44 PM
I think you can make a pretty decent case that a 16" levergun chambered in .45 colt (or .44 mag but my preference would be the .45 colt, which has less recoil/blast and therefore faster follow up shots), without ANY so-called "tactical accessories" is still about the PERFECT home defense carbine for most people (at least where overpenetration is not a great concern).

Light,
quick,
handy,
naturally pointing,
powerful,
big hole,
pretty fast,
low recoil,
low report/blast,
fairly good capacity,
politically correct,
fairly cheap to leave out of the safe in case it gets stolen,
and most of all, simple - the KISS principle at work, with respect to sights/gadgets.

Extremely reliable, too - more reliable than a semi, albeit by a tiny margin; then again you could show the corollary that a semi is only FASTER by the tiniest of margins, compared to a quick cycle of the lever.

About the only thing better than a 16" levergun in .45 colt (short of tacticool) in a home defense carbine, would be an SBR'ed 12" levergun in .45 colt, like the Mare's Leg with a stock.

YMMV. And I STILL prefer a shotgun or handgun for home defense, but this is IF you were designating a CARBINE as your go-to or your backup HD gun...... :)

H20Man, Hardshell, and Gelgoog - sweetness!! :)

TomADC
July 31, 2009, 12:51 PM
I shoot a non-automatic civilian AK with a light and a 1x optic; one shot, one hit, not spray and pray. Think of it as a .30-30 with easier reloading, a 20-round magazine, and no need to work the lever, with accuracy comparable to a Winchester 94.

You do mean "semi-automatic" not "non-automatic" correct never seen a bolt action AK? Don't misunderstand me AR/AK are fine for the folks that like them, I'm not one, I can reload e.i. top it off my 44 mag 1894 without moving the lever or changing a magazine, It has a Williams peep sight one shot one hit, its my Cowboy Action rifle. But then again my 1st choice is the 12 ga pump. In the house if all I had was my 1894 I'd shoot my 205gr semi wad cutters thru it, it may have less pentration then a FMJ .223 or 7.62 x 39 so might scare the neighbors but I'm not sure it would pentrate like those would.
But to each his own what ever works for you should be your weapon of choice.
We can agree to disagree.

benEzra
July 31, 2009, 12:59 PM
You do mean "semi-automatic" not "non-automatic" correct
Yes, semiauto; "non-automatic" in the sense that it is not an automatic weapon like an actual Title 2 selective-fire AK.

There are pump-action AK's out there, but I don't own one.

But to each his own what ever works for you should be your weapon of choice.
Definitely, yes. And I would certainly agree that your choices are fine ones.

gga357
July 31, 2009, 01:27 PM
It does not matter if it's a pump, lever or semi in the hands of someone who knows how to use it any will be effective for HD.

Cosmoline
July 31, 2009, 01:34 PM
What if your weak hand is somehow injured? I can fire a Semi Auto fairly easily one handed or brace it on something.

This is why the semi or select fire weapon is generally superior for COMBAT. We are not talking about engaging in a protracted firefight or taking hostile territory. We're talking about having a platform that is accurate, easy to use in the night, gives you a positive ID of the target before you shoot, and delivers catastrophic stopping damage with the FIRST shot. The .30-30 or .44 mag levergun with a light does all of these things. If you've got ninjas leaping around throwing those stars in your limbs, maybe you need something else. Both otherwise it really comes down to a matter of personal preference.

I'm totally comfortable with the platform, whether it's against bears or two legged trouble. A semi is another matter. They're expensive, often ammo-sensitive and in my experience they tend to get jammed up. I also do not find them as easy to use as a levergun, particularly with their safety catches. The reasonably portable ones also tend to be chambered too light, and they also tend to prefer the wrong kind of ammo for HD--FMJ.

Gelgoog
July 31, 2009, 02:06 PM
Do we really expect criminals to get into a protracted firefight with us? If I need more firepower then a levergun thats when I retreat to my room for some AK fun.

kwelz
July 31, 2009, 02:32 PM
I see 3 types of situations where I may have to use a firearm in my house.

1: 1-2 people trying to rob my house. In this situation any show of force may chase off the person or people breaking in. Hopefully no shots are fired but if they are, one of two would probably suffice. Any firearm would serve in this situation.

2: A single individual who is not in a right mental state. This could be due to a medical condition, drugs, or both. Sadly this will probably end with multiple shots fired to put the target down. I want something I can followup quickly with and as fast as some people claim a Levergun can be it isn't optimal for this type of setting. I would prefer a handgun or Semi-Auto Rifle.

3: A home invasion scenario. Once these were just fanciful delusions of the paranoid. Now they are becoming a much more common event. 3+ people breaking into a house with force to clear it out as quickly as possible. Multiple bad guys Most, if not all being armed. If you have a Levergun you are in trouble here. You could potentially be engaged from multiple angles at the same time.

Don't fool yourself, any of the above is combat. Some are just more extreme than the other. I hope I will never find myself pointing a firearm at a person again. However if I am, I plan on having the best tools available to me at the time. I think Lever Guns are great. I would kill for a nice Marlin in 45/70 but I would not use it for a HD gun.

cleetus03
July 31, 2009, 03:14 PM
Nostalgia is a powerful thing! Lever rifles have a indescribable "John Wayne" (patriotic) look, feel and power to them. For PC reasons, lever rifles simply have no "evil" correlation associated with them. Their known first and foremost for being the gun of the old west as well as common deer rifles. Yet they also serve as an excellent HD gun.


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HardShell
July 31, 2009, 04:13 PM
All this lever-gun talk must've gotten to me -- I just went and bought another old '94 during lunch... ;)

TomADC
July 31, 2009, 04:18 PM
All this lever-gun talk must've gotten to me -- I just went and bought another old '94 during lunch...

Me to, I'm shopping for a Henry, had them at the gun show early this month but like everything else there over priced.

kmullins
July 31, 2009, 04:38 PM
Accessorizing a lever action beyond making it a scout rifle, in my eyes: MAY INDUCE VOMITING.

Gelgoog
July 31, 2009, 06:37 PM
Accessorizing a lever action beyond making it a scout rifle, in my eyes: MAY INDUCE VOMITING.

Good, I hope you puke all over my picture. With a decent side saddle, side mounded light and red dot, it really makes a nice HD gun. Then throw in lots of customization ( thank you grizzly arms) and its pretty fricken sweet.

rondog
July 31, 2009, 07:05 PM
Hmmm, I have a dandy Winchester Trapper in .44 mag, I bet it would make a fine h/d weapon! But the 1911 with the Lasergrips is first up.

If my wife were a little more gun-friendly, I could stash boomsticks all over the house, basement and garage. She knows I have guns, and doesn't really "mind" them, but she doesn't want to "see" them either. Even though she knows I have a CCW permit, I don't think she really knows that I have a .45 on my hip at all times.

Also, it's not a levergun, but I'd have no qualms whatsoever about going after spooks with my High Point .40 carbine. It's a dandy little shooter, very accurate and very reliable, with a red-dot sight on it too. But I LOVE the slim profile of the Winnie! Not to mention those big ol' fat .44 slugs. It would be loud, but what the hell, my hearing's shot anyway.

H2O MAN
July 31, 2009, 07:42 PM
Only the weak vomit when they see a non-traditional set-up.

W.E.G.
July 31, 2009, 09:39 PM
Frankly, I use .40 caliber Glock as my front-line home defense gun.

I've got bigger guns if the Glock aint enough.
Couple of 'em are lever guns... and pump guns... and karate guns.... etc., etc....

Its all good.

I don't know nobody who wanna walk in front of this.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/rifle%20pics/Winchester%20Model%2094/DSCN3145.jpg

Avenger29
July 31, 2009, 09:52 PM
Extremely reliable, too - more reliable than a semi, albeit by a tiny margin; then again you could show the corollary that a semi is only FASTER by the tiniest of margins, compared to a quick cycle of the lever.

Not "more reliable" than a semi. Ever try to clear a levergun malfunction? It's a lot of fun.

The notion that leverguns, pump guns, revolvers, are more reliable than semi-autos is a flawed notion.


Leverguns are a lot of fun. They can be pressed into service as an HD weapon. Nothing more, nothing less. A good AK or AR-15 is a far superior weapon, but if all you have is a levergun, by far, use it.

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